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I see. So, I suppose that when one is set out to prove another wrong, neither side will budge from their beliefs. Nothing you say will change what they believe and nothing they say will change what you believe.
If people answers, you will only say that they have not. What are they to do? Either way, they would be shamed.
O' what has become of the Spirit's duty of convicting! What little love we have for those who stand contrary to what we believe.
Down with isms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If people answers, you will only say that they have not. What are they to do? Either way, they would be shamed.
O' what has become of the Spirit's duty of convicting! What little love we have for those who stand contrary to what we believe.
Down with isms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Again, no need to reply to this. But when Christ walked this earth the Holy Spirit was on him in bodily form/shape(Luke3:22)
I believe the prescence of the Father, fully exhibits in the Son as I have time and time again stated. This I guess is what every Equal Trinitarian believes. If you have seen the son you have seen the Father in rspct of His Characteristics for want of a better word.
There is no way to the Father aspart from through the Son
Christ is completely Holy, and if you like the divinity of the Father is in the son. Though I think that word is often a red herring for Arius believed Christ had divinity, but few on here would accept him as a Christian
But where I differ from others on this website, is that to me the plain word is the bottom line
As Elin ceaselessly stated
The Bible does not plainly state Christ is God
But, does the Bible plainly state Christ is not the one true God Himself?
You see, I don't have to rationalise it as do scholars and theologians
I stand on what I know the plain word states on this subject, I do not stand on man made exegesis that contradicts it
So the difference here basically is in the title of Christ, not his nature. But for many that is a hanging offence
Someone on another website(a minister) said
Anytone who claims to have a perfect understanding of the working of the Trinity shows how little they know of the subject
I believe the prescence of the Father, fully exhibits in the Son as I have time and time again stated. This I guess is what every Equal Trinitarian believes. If you have seen the son you have seen the Father in rspct of His Characteristics for want of a better word.
There is no way to the Father aspart from through the Son
Christ is completely Holy, and if you like the divinity of the Father is in the son. Though I think that word is often a red herring for Arius believed Christ had divinity, but few on here would accept him as a Christian
But where I differ from others on this website, is that to me the plain word is the bottom line
As Elin ceaselessly stated
The Bible does not plainly state Christ is God
But, does the Bible plainly state Christ is not the one true God Himself?
You see, I don't have to rationalise it as do scholars and theologians
I stand on what I know the plain word states on this subject, I do not stand on man made exegesis that contradicts itSo the difference here basically is in the title of Christ, not his nature. But for many that is a hanging offence
Someone on another website(a minister) said
Anytone who claims to have a perfect understanding of the working of the Trinity shows how little they know of the subject
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I would like to interject a thought here. When Jesus was on the cross the thief asked Jesus to remember him when he came into His kingdom. Apparently the thief came to believe in Jesus. Maybe...he's heard Jesus speak in the past...maybe not? Jesus said that today he would be with Him in paradise. None of the three were in a position to discuss the philosophical ideas at the time. The thief simply believed on Jesus and was with Him later on after he was dead. To me...and I could be wrong here...the main thing is to believe in Jesus. Maybe that should be believe "on". I think there is a difference. I often wonder in the early church when everything was exciting and new for them if they sat around disputing. Don't get me wrong, please. We have difference of opinions in our church. Most are petty and we have some that stick by their opinions. Jesus has to remain the focus. People who have never heard the gospel or are looking for answers are either discouraged and leave or they decide if this is the way Christians act then why be a part of it.
Maybe I am just tired, or maybe it is because I am not the brightest of people, but I am struggling to understand much of what you have written
But yes, in many cases people who disagree on these websites mainly just want to prove themself right and the other person wrong, I do believe that, Christians ain't perfect after all
But yes, in many cases people who disagree on these websites mainly just want to prove themself right and the other person wrong, I do believe that, Christians ain't perfect after all
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Yes, Accepting what Jesus did for us and focusing on that is the most important thing. Love and forgiveness are the most important things he ever taught us yet there are so many denominational arguments and squabbling about this and that. This group telling that group they aren't saved, etc. It hurts to see so much division going on. Lots of false teachings too. I know a few people that have outright rejected Christianity just based on the conduct they see among Church going members....they don't want to be a part of that. It's sad
Great point!
The bottom line as to whether a person is a Christian is whether the Holy Spirit dwells in them(Rom8:9)
As soon as the Spiirt dwells in a person He MUST immediately convict them as to the person they must believe Christ to be in their heart. I am sure at that point the new convert would not come onto one of these websites and feel able to join in a conversation such as this, nor would they be expected to
Let's not put the Spirit to one side here, or the conviction He brings to the individual
The bottom line as to whether a person is a Christian is whether the Holy Spirit dwells in them(Rom8:9)
As soon as the Spiirt dwells in a person He MUST immediately convict them as to the person they must believe Christ to be in their heart. I am sure at that point the new convert would not come onto one of these websites and feel able to join in a conversation such as this, nor would they be expected to
Let's not put the Spirit to one side here, or the conviction He brings to the individual
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Again, no need to reply to this. But when Christ walked this earth the Holy Spirit was on him in bodily form/shape(Luke3:22)
I believe the prescence of the Father, fully exhibits in the Son as I have time and time again stated. This I guess is what every Equal Trinitarian believes. If you have seen the son you have seen the Father in rspct of His Characteristics for want of a better word.
There is no way to the Father aspart from through the Son
Christ is completely Holy, and if you like the divinity of the Father is in the son. Though I think that word is often a red herring for Arius believed Christ had divinity, but few on here would accept him as a Christian
But where I differ from others on this website, is that to me the plain word is the bottom line
As Elin ceaselessly stated
The Bible does not plainly state Christ is God
But, does the Bible plainly state Christ is not the one true God Himself?
You see, I don't have to rationalise it as do scholars and theologians I stand on what I know the plain word states on this subject, I do not stand on man made exegesis that contradicts it
So the difference here basically is in the title of Christ, not his nature. But for many that is a hanging offence
Someone on another website(a minister) said
Anytone who claims to have a perfect understanding of the working of the Trinity shows how little they know of the subject
I believe the prescence of the Father, fully exhibits in the Son as I have time and time again stated. This I guess is what every Equal Trinitarian believes. If you have seen the son you have seen the Father in rspct of His Characteristics for want of a better word.
There is no way to the Father aspart from through the Son
Christ is completely Holy, and if you like the divinity of the Father is in the son. Though I think that word is often a red herring for Arius believed Christ had divinity, but few on here would accept him as a Christian
But where I differ from others on this website, is that to me the plain word is the bottom line
As Elin ceaselessly stated
The Bible does not plainly state Christ is God
But, does the Bible plainly state Christ is not the one true God Himself?
You see, I don't have to rationalise it as do scholars and theologians
I stand on what I know the plain word states on this subject, I do not stand on man made exegesis that contradicts itSo the difference here basically is in the title of Christ, not his nature. But for many that is a hanging offence
Someone on another website(a minister) said
Anytone who claims to have a perfect understanding of the working of the Trinity shows how little they know of the subject
Jesus is God.
Ok then. WHAT is your point? Why is this an issues with you?
Is Jesus God? If so than what is your point?
Hi Mark,
Do you believe that Jesus, who is the Word, created all things?
As you have been so nice and polite, I will respond to this Cfultz, but only this as you have chosen not to answer my question I stressed I wanted you to answer.
Please don't ask me to respond again, not fair unless you wish to respond to the other question(and there is no pressure for you to do so.)
I will respond with scripture, as it covers your question, and the subject at hand:
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), [SUP]6 [/SUP]yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1Cor8:5&6
Do you believe that Jesus, who is the Word, created all things?
As you have been so nice and polite, I will respond to this Cfultz, but only this as you have chosen not to answer my question I stressed I wanted you to answer.
Please don't ask me to respond again, not fair unless you wish to respond to the other question(and there is no pressure for you to do so.)
I will respond with scripture, as it covers your question, and the subject at hand:
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), [SUP]6 [/SUP]yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1Cor8:5&6
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Good point concerning the Holy Spirit. In our church our pastor usually only mentions the Holy Spirit occasionally. It was not until about a year ago after a series of Sunday school lessons that I even realized that the Holy Spirit IS a person. I had always thought of Him as "it". But, not as someone co-equal with God.
As far as your statement about the Holy Spirit and His work of conviction...I heard a TV "preacher" state that once you are saved...if you EVER feel guilty or convicted of something you've done or said..."Rebuke that in the name of Jesus! That is a direct assault from the devil..." Well, that kinda blew me away. I forget the verse but the Bible mentions something like "The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness and" something else...I forget.
As far as your statement about the Holy Spirit and His work of conviction...I heard a TV "preacher" state that once you are saved...if you EVER feel guilty or convicted of something you've done or said..."Rebuke that in the name of Jesus! That is a direct assault from the devil..." Well, that kinda blew me away. I forget the verse but the Bible mentions something like "The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness and" something else...I forget.
