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John 1:1-3 [SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3[/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Isaiah 9:6-7 [SUP]6 [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 9:6-7 [SUP]6 [/SUP]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Hi Cfultz
All I will say is this. Does it not concern you in the slightest that people, and this is true, in effect tell others they will be damned and go to hell for standing on the plain words of christ when he walked this earth.
I am far from perfect, but the assaults on websites like this people receive for standing on the plain words of Christ sre horrendous
I repeat, this is only an internet thing(based on Trinitarian churches in the UK)
The ministers don't demand it from the pulpits, and the vast majority of Christians in churches would think the statements made on these websites are ludicrous and potty
That Cfultz is the truth
All I will say is this. Does it not concern you in the slightest that people, and this is true, in effect tell others they will be damned and go to hell for standing on the plain words of christ when he walked this earth.
I am far from perfect, but the assaults on websites like this people receive for standing on the plain words of Christ sre horrendous
I repeat, this is only an internet thing(based on Trinitarian churches in the UK)
The ministers don't demand it from the pulpits, and the vast majority of Christians in churches would think the statements made on these websites are ludicrous and potty
That Cfultz is the truth
A
Mark, the easily offended are saying you have "tude."
Urban Dictionary: tude
Imo, it's not that bad. I've seen far worse here... lol.
Urban Dictionary: tude
Imo, it's not that bad. I've seen far worse here... lol.
To reject the trintiy and the diety of Christ, is to make oneself an heritic. That's at best. A denial of the diety of Christ, demonstrates quite clearly you know not the Son nor the Father.
Stick with scripture.
Stick with scripture.
Do you utterly condemn as unfit to be a minister any preacher who will not stand in the pulpit and plainly state what to you is the foundational belief of the faith, and one that will not plainly state from the pulpit if a person believes jesus is the son of God, but not God Himself they cannot be saved with that belief, and are therefore damned and will go to hell
For I am assuming you passionately believe it is the fundamental responsibility and obligation of a minister to plainly state from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief unto salvation concenring the person of who Christ is and the consequences of getting it wrong
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Hi Mark,
You keep saying that the apostles didn’t’ stress the complete identity of Jesus and, therefore, you don’t need to know Jesus is God in order to be saved. That just isn’t true. Read the NT. You seem to forget that the NT letters were written to people who were already believers. They already knew who Jesus was. Like I stated earlier, if ministers fail to teach the entire truth of God’s word, then they are doing their flock a massive disservice, and they will one day have to account for that.
You said that if ministers did teach this from the pulpit, then most people would leave the church. I agree with you…that probably would happen. Jesus predicted that He would be a rock of offense to those who don’t believe. There is nothing new under the sun.
“I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” John 8:24. The only way there is an apparent contradiction between what the Spirit reveals and what the Word says, is if you fail to read what the Word says.
I think you may have misunderstood my answer to your question. I didn’t say that ministers were not absolutely obligated to plainly preach the truth of God’s word. I said that they are obligated to do that…but they are not held accountable to me if they don’t, they are held accountable to God. I think that I actually counted them among the lost…
You keep saying that the apostles didn’t’ stress the complete identity of Jesus and, therefore, you don’t need to know Jesus is God in order to be saved. That just isn’t true. Read the NT. You seem to forget that the NT letters were written to people who were already believers. They already knew who Jesus was. Like I stated earlier, if ministers fail to teach the entire truth of God’s word, then they are doing their flock a massive disservice, and they will one day have to account for that.
You said that if ministers did teach this from the pulpit, then most people would leave the church. I agree with you…that probably would happen. Jesus predicted that He would be a rock of offense to those who don’t believe. There is nothing new under the sun.
“I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” John 8:24. The only way there is an apparent contradiction between what the Spirit reveals and what the Word says, is if you fail to read what the Word says.
I think you may have misunderstood my answer to your question. I didn’t say that ministers were not absolutely obligated to plainly preach the truth of God’s word. I said that they are obligated to do that…but they are not held accountable to me if they don’t, they are held accountable to God. I think that I actually counted them among the lost…
Well to me, .Christ is fully possessed of the Spirit of the Father's prescence. As he is fully possessed of this Spirit he has divinity/holiness. But the Son is not the Father, and the Father is the one true God.
Now here is where words get played with as it were
For JL believes Christ is the spirit of Jehovah(if I HAVE THAT RIGHT) and that Spirit fully dwells therefore in him(Holy Spirit)
Equal Trinitarians believe Christ has a body and in that body is God fully
But they also believe the Holy Spirit is God Himself, so technically I doubt they much diagree with me or JL as to who resides fully in the body of Christ, according to their belief
Then there's oneness pentecostals!
The truth is Cfultz, people come on these websites for theological debate, most of the time it is just debate of the little grey cells. It is cyberspace, apart from the real world in one sense
The ministers do not preach what people do on these websites, over 90% of churchgoers would think some of the opinions in these debates are frankly potty, that is the truth.
Head theology will save no one Cfultz, especially head theology which condemns people for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
The madness/folly of what people are writing in this debate is proved by the fact they cannot answer my oft repeated question
I repeat, these demands are internet demands, from those who have studied much and bring forth their demands from the head, not the Holy Spirit
Foer the Spirit COULD NEVER contradict the plain words of Christ as to the neccessary belief in him unto salvation, but those wise in their own eyes can
The ministers do not preach what people do on these websites, over 90% of churchgoers would think some of the opinions in these debates are frankly potty, that is the truth.
Head theology will save no one Cfultz, especially head theology which condemns people for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
The madness/folly of what people are writing in this debate is proved by the fact they cannot answer my oft repeated question
I repeat, these demands are internet demands, from those who have studied much and bring forth their demands from the head, not the Holy Spirit
Foer the Spirit COULD NEVER contradict the plain words of Christ as to the neccessary belief in him unto salvation, but those wise in their own eyes can