The Trinity

[unclefester]

I've put all of you on ignore .... and from now on, I'm only reading my own posts.

 

[Bowman]

Re: You don't know your scriptures...

If that is true then Jesus or somebody LIED!

Let's read God's word....

Ex. 24
9. Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10. And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.


"And they saw the God of Israel...", "...also they saw God..."


Now let's read what Jesus said.....


St. John 1: 18 – No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared him.

St. John 5: 37 – And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

St. John 6: 46 – Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


So which is it......did the Holy Spirit lie to the prophets when they wrote the OT? Did Moses lie when he said that God was seen by the elders? Or was it Jesus who lied when He said no man has seen God?

Which is it?


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No one can see God The Father and physically live.

However, people can see God The Son and God The Spirit and live.

In the OT, numerous prophets saw Malek Yahweh (God the Son) and lived to write and tell about it.

In the NT, thousands saw God the Son (Jesus) and lived to write and tell about it.

God The Spirit also manifested Himself in the form of a dove at Jesus' baptism and people lived to tell about it.

God The Father has not manifested in a form viewed by humanity.

 

[mark54]

There is only ONE TRUE GOD, THE FATHER

 

[Eccl12and13]

Re: Study up...

The Father is THE ONE TRUE GOD

But this is NOT the Father spoken of in the OT, it is Christ. For The Father will not judge man. It is Christ that will render His indignation and it Christ that is called 'the true God' below;

Jer.10
[10] But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.


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[Eccl12and13]

Re: You don't know your scriptures...

No one can see God The Father and physically live.

However, people can see God The Son and God The Spirit and live.

In the OT, numerous prophets saw Malek Yahweh (God the Son) and lived to write and tell about it.

In the NT, thousands saw God the Son (Jesus) and lived to write and tell about it.

God The Spirit also manifested Himself in the form of a dove at Jesus' baptism and people lived to tell about it.

God The Father has not manifested in a form viewed by humanity.

But you claim they are ONE! How can they be ONE but not seen? If they are ONE when you see ONE you see ALL!

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[peacefulbeliever]

[QUOTE=Eccl12and13;916618]Let's look at two places where an Angel, also known as a 'holy spirit' was either called God, or acted or spoke with the authority of God;

Num.22
[35] And the angel of the LORD said unto Balaam, Go with the men: but only the word that I shall speak unto thee, that thou shalt speak. So Balaam went with the princes of Balak.

Now let’s read who Balaam said gave him the words to speak;

[38] And Balaam said unto Balak, Lo, I am come unto thee: have I now any power at all to say any thing? the word that God putteth in my mouth, that shall I speak.

Even though it was the angel of the Lord that gave Balaam the words to say, Balaam said it was God that put the words in his mouth.[/QUOTE]

So you are saying that the "angel of God" - who represents and speaks for God is the Holy Spirit?

Let’s read another;

Judg.2
[1] And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Again, the angel, a 'Holy Spirit' is talking as though he was the one that made the covenant, though we know it was really the Lord, but the angel still spoke as if it were he that made the agreement with the nation of Israel. Why? Because it was the angel of the Lord, a "Holy Spirit", that God sent to watch over the nation of Israel. God gave him the authority to speak as though it were Him.

When reading God's word you will find many places where the angel of the Lord, God’s ’holy spirit’, speaks and works as though he is the Lord. You will find throughout the scriptures many times when the Lord gives His "Holy Spirits" the same power and authority as Himself.

So again, you are saying that the "angel of God" - who represents and speaks for God is THE Holy Spirit? Okay . . . I think I see what you mean. . . you are saying that "the angel is a holy spirit" not as in THE Holy Spirit. . .Right?

 

[mark54]

Re: Study up...

But this is NOT the Father spoken of in the OT, it is Christ. For The Father will not judge man. It is Christ that will render His indignation and it Christ that is called 'the true God' below;

Jer.10
[10] But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.


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Christ was the God of Israel, but not the one true God

Those to whom the word of God came were called gods in the ot, but that did not make them the one true God

Paul said:
For even if there are so called gods in heaven and on earth(as indeed there are many gods and many lords
Yet for us there is but one God(true God) the Father from whom all things came and for whom we live and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live
1Cor8:5&6

Do not get confused with the title God, there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD THE FATHER

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Maranatha...You have walked right into the one. Get a cupf coffee and a snack. It'll be awhile!

I stand firm on sound doctrine, God is the Rock/Foundation on which I Stand, I see that one without the other you don't have anything, have you captured the various places where Jesus is the only way, If you receive Him you receive them (the Holy Spirit, and also the Father). If what little words I have are not enough, continue on with your rampage, this ancient topic has almost waxed away like a covenant of the old. For surely once Jesus Christ returns.

 

[mark54]

I say with great boldness and as of one with authority to speak up and state, you both are off, inaccurate, For #1st of all God are 3 in 1. (Equality). as for the 2nd, Jesus Christ, when manifested into flesh, was made (only for the time of his life) a little while, lower than the angels, like us, now, Jesus Christ is God the One True God because He is a door or gateway if you will, to the Father, when we look at Jesus we see the Father, did you see his flesh act up once in him? (None). So in other words they are 3 in 1 and we need every one if we want to enter into heaven. Father Son + Holy Ghost = 1

If you want to enter into Heaven you stand on the salvational belief of requirement Christ himself laid down, not man 300 years after he died at Calvary

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

john 17:3 doesn't say the Father is the only God, it clarifies that Jesus was made for a time lower than Him. That time as he lived and dwelled among us.

 

[mark54]

john 17:3 doesn't say the Father is the only God, it says that Jesus was made for a time lower than Him. That time as he lived and dwelled among us.

Which translation are you reading from?
Can you quote it please?

No it says the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD

 

[Bowman]

There is only ONE TRUE GOD, THE FATHER

Scripturally prove it....

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

If you want to enter into Heaven you stand on the salvational belief of requirement Christ himself laid down, not man 300 years after he died at Calvary

Exactly, Jesus Christ has Salvation in His hands, under His authority are we all.

 

[JLHillsSr]

I have never heard before anyone saying the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost are two seperate persons if you like, could you explain

My apologies, Mark54, I meant to say that Jehovah is the Son of the Father and separate from the Holy Ghost.

 

[mark54]

Exactly, Jesus Christ has Salvation in His hands, under His authority are we all.

OK so whose authority are we under as to who we must believe Christ to be to inherit eternal life?

Who tells us who we must believe him to be to inherit eternal life?

 

[Bowman]

Re: You don't know your scriptures...

But you claim they are ONE! How can they be ONE but not seen? If they are ONE when you see ONE you see ALL!

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You claim that you are going to ONE, like God.

Are you then going to be God...mormon...?

Is your name the same as God?

Didn't think so....so how exactly are you going to be ONE?

ONE what...?

Study up...

 

[mark54]

I've put all of you on ignore .... and from now on, I'm only reading my own posts.

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Sensible man, less stress that way

I'm begininig to feel like a new man since I made use if the ignore button

 

[Crazy4GODword]

There is only ONE TRUE GOD, THE FATHER

God is one but in three. Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit......they are all one being called YHWH but are in three places, in three persons, with three different offices at the same time.

 

[SarahM777]

btw

i went to AOG, which branch are you with?

Are you aware that the Assemblies do believe in the Trinity also? (Was one myself for a time)

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Which translation are you reading from?
Can you quote it please?

No it says the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Here we go, lets not lack much context here, check out verse 4,.. yes, amazing, He came so that we could have access to eternal life and that we might know the Father,..pause;Question:Why do you think Jesus is called God in the flesh?(well, because He came to do the work of the Father...) yes, very true. Okay so on we go, this scripture have you lacked, (the fifth verse)

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Now, what on earth is Jesus talking about here? glorify him with thine own self? hmm, my interpretation would be that Jesus is being put on the right hand of the Father, what? on the same level? yeah.