Do NOT Address NOR Speak TO the Holy Spirit

Enow · Feb 17, 2013

Yes, the Holy Spirit is God, but it is not the will of God the Father to be approaching Him by any other way other than by way of the Son.

Is Jesus unable to perform the role as the ONLY Mediator between God and man? If we believe Paul's word that the Son is the only Mediator ... then giving that role to the Holy Spirit is actually dishonouring the Son for being that only Mediator between God and man.

It is because of other spirits in the world and sinners that seek after familiar spirits and worshipping spirits that God wish to narrow the way in how they are to come to Him and continually relate to Him by, and that is by our first love, the Bridegroom.

kenisyes · Feb 17, 2013

Enow said:

The HS does not come between us and Jesus. Jesus sent Him. And John 10:9 says it applies to those who came before Jesus. The HS came after.

Enow · Feb 17, 2013

kenisyes said:

No. John 10:1-9 refers to the iniquity of climbing up another way other than by going to the Son, and so that includes those that come inbetween us and the Son since the climbing up another way shows the consequences of doing that which is following a stranger's voice.... tongues that comes with no interpretation.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. [SUP]3 [/SUP]To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. [SUP]6 [/SUP]This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I am the door:

How do we know that those that follow the stranger's voice are wayward believers in Jesus Christ? Look at the distinction of those that follow His voice and those that are not of that fold that followed His voice and yet He says He must birng them as He acknowledges that there were other sheep that He has but were not of the fold following His voice but a stranger's voice.

John 10:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

So if wayward believers do not repent of this apostasy by shunning vain and profame babblings and pray normally to God the Father by way of the Son, they run the risk of being left behind from the pre trib rapture wherein Christ will restore them to the path of righteousness for His name's sake as they will be MADE to hear His voice and be of the one fold and one shepherd.

WordGaurdian · Feb 17, 2013

ok... tried to help.

Enow · Feb 17, 2013

WordGaurdian said:

May the Lord help you to see the urgency of this truth in following and in abiding in Him.

Proverbs 27:17Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

John 15:[SUP]14 [/SUP]Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

By looking away from the Son to the Spirit, one is no longer relating to God the Father by the Son, Whom is the Bridegroom.

That is why in these "movements of the Spirit" as they address and speak to the "Spirit", these apostasys of false spirits that are bringing signs and lying wonders occurs because believers in Jesus Christ are not honouring the Father by NOT only honouring the Son.

John 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: [SUP]23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

It is telltaling of the latter days we are living in when believers read those verses above as if that is not what He had just said.

John 13:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. [SUP]32 [/SUP]If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

There is no other way to honour nor glorify the Father except by honouring & glorifying the Son which those led by the Spirit will do by the help of the Good Shepherd, the author & finisher of our faith.

crossnote · Feb 17, 2013

Show me some Scriptures showing believers praying to the Holy Spirit and no one will get hurt and I'll go home. Seems like there may be an instance in Acts but I am not sure off the top of my head.

Crossfire · Feb 17, 2013

Enow said:

That would mean there is no praying to the Holy Spirit since we are to be going before that throne of grace in praying to the Son and by Him, we can pray to the Father.

Interacting with the Spirit is one way: He to us: and because He is speaking what He hears, then our response should be towards the Son and by Him, the Father as well.

If there was a translator in the room or someone giving sign language to you for someone speaking in the room to you, who is really speaking to you? Then who should you be focussing when in response?

According to His words, the Son is our only connection to the Father in getting to know Him personally by getting to know the Son personally. There is no other way to know Him personally.

Jesus being at the right hand of the Father puts Him in that position to be the only One making dorect intercessions for us by knowing the mind of the Spirit which the KJV has kept the true message of Paul's words in lining up with the rest of scripture of Jesus being the only Mediator between God and man. the man Christ Jesus.

And only means that.. the only one as Romans 8:26-27 is testifying of Jesus being that only Mediator in according to the will of God. Modern Bibles do not convey that truth at all, but ignores verse 27 and even commit a grammatical error by switching out the pronoun "he" in referring to the Son with "the Spirit" instead.

No. The Holy Spirit isn't our link to the throne of God to be praying to the Spirit or addressing the Spirit in prayer for anything. The Son, Jesus Christ is that only link to the throne room of God.

The Holy Spirit serves as the Divine Witness as we are led by the Spirit in testifying of the Son in seeking the glory of the Son as a witness in serving Jesus Christ. That is how we are His disciple when we honour the Son in seeking His glory and by Him, honouring and glorifying God the Father as well. There is no other way in doing that either.

Hmmm... nothing here but theory based your interpretations of scripture. I suggest spending as much time in prayer as you do studying the word. Ask God Himself to open the scriptures up to you so that might actually experience what the scriptures says rather than just quote them.

Enow · Feb 17, 2013

crossnote said:

They will find none, but I can show by His grace and by His help how believers praying to the Holy Spirit has gotten "hurt".

Did they not get hurt in the "holy laughter" movement, the slain in the Spirit craze, the Toronto Blessings, and the Pensacola Outpouring?

Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. [SUP]27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

Yet by the scripture abive, believers have been falling down all because they did not heed the commandment of His invitation in how they were to approach God the Father by which is only by way of the Son.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 7:..[SUP]13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?.........

Did not the "holy laughter" movement occurred across the denomenations in Catholics and Protestant churches as no longer being a streamlined Pentecostal and Charismatic event? Is that not being ecumenical in natire as gathering graoes of thorns and figs of thistles? How else can it occur other than by including the Holy Spirit to be worshipped with the Father & the Son? And even moreso when that spotlight is solely on the Holy Spirit in the worship place?

This is what they get for dishonouring the Son by removing the spotlight from the Son to the Spirit which the indwelling Holy Spirit would never do because believers can only live that reconciled relationship with God the Father through the Son.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: [SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

That is why all of those believers are falling when addressing and speaking to the holy Spirit and yet when we keep our eyes on the Son by His grace & by His help, we have this promise from the Son.

Jude 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, [SUP]25 [/SUP]To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Enow · Feb 17, 2013

Crossfire said:

Acknowledging what God has done so that I may rest in Him means not looking for experiences as a sign lest I become an adulterous generation in disregarding the Bridegroom of Whom I should be relating to God the Father by in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

Blain · Feb 17, 2013

Enow the holy spirit is our helper, we can speak to him as well as god and Jesus. They are all the same god after all

Enow · Feb 17, 2013

Blain said:

The Holy Spirit is our Helper, but that does not mean He is also our Mediator. Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man, specified as the man Christ Jesus, our risen Saviour at that throne of grace.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

MaggieMye · Feb 17, 2013

Quote from OP: "There are no invitations given to come to the Holy Spirit nor are there any scriptue testifying of addressing nor speaking to the Spirit because God wants to reconcile sinners in the world away from their spirits and their worship of spirits to a personal reconciled relationship with God the Father through the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ Whom is called the Bridegroom for that reason alone so that believers may avoid false spirits in the world that would try to come inbetween them and the Son.
Did you forget "John 4:24"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” ??

Ariel82 · Feb 17, 2013

The Spirit of God makes intercessions for us:

Romans 8

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us[SUP][b][/SUP] with groanings which cannot be uttered. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

your mistake is to not understand how the Father, the Word and the Spirit ARE One in Heaven.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one

IF you mean that Jesus is the only mediator of the NEW covenant than you may have something because Jesus is the Eternal High Priest. however the Holy Spirit still plays a key role in the lives of a believer in that He teaches, comforts and guides God's children into a fuller understanding of God's will.

Ariel82 · Feb 17, 2013

Enow said:

because they are seeking signs and wonders when Jesus clearly preaches against such things so instead they get a strong delusion.

that does not mean you can justify your following statement:

what do you believe the Holy Spirit does? I'm not talking about the false manifestation people claim to be the HOly Spirit but God's actually HOly Spirit?

because it goes against scripture.

ummm nope....

Ariel82 · Feb 17, 2013

Enow said:

you totally ignore verse 26 from the King James version where it says "itself" referring to the Holy Spirit that makes intercessions

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

i would agree that too many people worship false spirits but not recognizing the Holy Spirit's role in a person's life is not wise for Jesus left in order that He might send the Holy Spirit to be a teacher and guide for His disciples.

John 16
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

crossnote · Feb 17, 2013

1Jn 1:3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit's role is to point us to Christ by Whom we have access to the Father. It's crossing roles to pray directly to the Spirit although technically He is God...I don't think God will zap the believer for doing so only in time correct him.

Enow · Feb 18, 2013

MaggieMye said:

No. I did not forget, but then again, you are not rightly applying the scripture for what Jesus was saying that for.

The Samaritan woman spoke of how their people would go to the mountains to worship God while the Jews say that they ought to go to Jerusalem to worship God: hence when Jesus replied, He was testifying of the time when God is not confined by a specific place to worship Him. That means believers in Jesus Christ do not need to go to a place to be "near" God or come to God because He is with them always so that they can worship Him anywhere as they will be doing so IN spirit and IN truth. How is that possible? His invitation makes that possible as it is by honouring the Son in worship is how one is honouring the Father.

John 4:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus was speaking of the Father in verse 23 and not of the Holy Spirit. Therefore when Jesus said God is a Spirit, and do note the use of the small word "a", Jesus was clarifying that He would not be telling anyone that they ought to go to Jerusalem nor to any specific place to worship God in deference to what the woman had said. That is what He was referring towards when testifying that God is a Spirit. Otherwise, by taking that phrase out of context as a few do like by saying that Jesus is not God then, without lining it up with the rest of scripture, truth would be hard to discern in the actual message that Jesus wants us to have.

So that reference is still not saying we can address nor speak to the Holy Spirit when Jesus is the only way to the Father.

Enow · Feb 18, 2013

Ariel82 said:

Notice the the third Person in of the he that knows the mind of the Spirit verse 27? That "he" is the Son in knowing the mind of the Spirit because it is the same "he" that is the Word of God that seraches our hearts.

Hebrews 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

That was why the King James Bible used the term "itself" and groanings which cannot be uttered hence no sound at all as the intercessions of the Holy Spirit are made by the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit as in according to the will of God of Jesus being the only Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. May you see how that lines up with the rest of scripture in the KJV what does not line up in modern Bibles. The use of the term itself means the Holy Spirit serves as a means by which the Son is the only Mediator between God and man in according to the will of God.

Romans 8:[SUP]26 [/SUP]Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.....[SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Recognizing the role of the Son is key in order to know what is not the role of the Holy Spirit's. If you recognize the Son in Hebrews 4:12-16 as the One that searches our hearts in Romans 8:27, then you should know that it is the same He that knows the mind of the Spirit for which verse 27 is explaining how these intercessions are being known from the Holy Spirit, and that is by way of the Son.

Enow · Feb 18, 2013

Ariel82 said:

Explain how Jesus' warning does not apply to believers seeking after the sign of tongues when they seek to receive the Holy Spirit again after a sign of tongues which happens to come with no interpretation?

Explain why God would allow seducing spirits to answer & to respond when believers call on the Person of the Holy Spirit in those manifestations that you claim is not of Him?

loveme1 · Feb 18, 2013

Enow, are you addressing something directly?( e.g prayers that you have heard where people are praying to the Holy Spirit?)

Do NOT Address NOR Speak TO the Holy Spirit

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