Is abortion murder?

[RickyZ]

I understand what you mean, dark void, for a lot of people life is exteremely painful and for them to be able to shortcut the whole process and proceed directly to God may be more merciful, physically. And they do avoid that awkward age of coming to make a decision.

The notion of God being cruel for condeming people is wrong too. No one is condemned to hell, they choose it. Say I build a shelter for the homelesss and all I ask is that on the way in you stop and say thanks. Tell me thanks you're in warm and safe, tell me to take a hike and you can go sit out on the curb in the weather. Does that make me cruel to have 'condemned' those poor souls out in the rain? I think they kinda brought it on themselves.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

you said in your own words just because God said it, Does God's own word not assure honesty enough, and the testimony on earth, the fulfillment of his scriptures of the old testament, ugh, it's even in history, though some accounts of course as evil a world as it is are corrupt and flawed and by no means sound doctrine or, the truth, it's narrow to find the truth, you ask how would we know it is true, it is by our testimony and the testimony of Christ, it is the bible the entire bible and nothing outside of the bible, unless relating and confirmed in the bible, if you read and apply you will very well experience and live the truth.

 

[DarkVoid]

Thank you for your answers. Please correct me if I am wrong, but you now sound more like a Deist. A Deist is someone who believes in an impersonal God who created the world and now sits back and watches, (for entertainment possibly??). Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.

Such a god is not the God described in the bible and the God that I know.

I believe that you are saying that the rapist should be punished? Why? Who made that rule?

Are there moral absolutes or is everything relative? Who gets to decide morality? Shouldn't it be the God who created the universe that gets to make that decision?

God is not evil, but Holy. He loves you and does not want you to go to Hell. I don't either. Jesus Christ has prepared a wonderful place for those who love Him. How do I know this? Because He said so. And the bible records a God who always is faithful and keeps His promises. You will not find such faithfulness in this world.

I am not really a diest either as i believe god does get involved but he causes bad things to happen. Some things are natural and some are caused by him, which is which is hard to tell.
he can also cause "good" things to happen but that is the equivalent of someone being nice to you just to gain your trust so they can betray or use you for their own purposes.

and well, everything is relative in a way...

eye for an eye. tooth for a tooth. etc.

if someone hurts you and you want to get revenge, then do so. simple.

 

[DarkVoid]

How can we, mere creatures, punish those who break our moral laws but then judge the God of the Universe for doing the same?

Well, we punish according to severity of crime, the worse the crime the worse the punishment. god will give you the most extreme punishment (hell) even if you do not do any extreme crime...

of course this all goes back to: who decides what is extreme and what is not? well i would like to say its logical but then who decides what is logical and what is not? ahhh, such a dilemma lol

 

[superdave5221]

Well, we punish according to severity of crime, the worse the crime the worse the punishment. god will give you the most extreme punishment (hell) even if you do not do any extreme crime...

of course this all goes back to: who decides what is extreme and what is not? well i would like to say its logical but then who decides what is logical and what is not? ahhh, such a dilemma lol

Thanks for the discussion. I enjoyed talking with you.

Do me a favor and humor me. Get that bible out and start reading it.

 

[BarlyGurl]

the good news is... everyone is invited to accept Christ as their Lord and savior and thus remove the penalty death and hell. It is your choice... ALL YOURS. God sets the terms... you choose the option Hell or Jesus. I pick Jesus.. ding ding dingding... YEAH!!!!! You can too.

 

[DarkVoid]

A person who is ANTI-God or anti-TRUTH or believes in the supernatural realm giving preference to EVIL... makes themselves fairly clear as to what side of the fence they are standing on... to Which they condemn themselves... telling them they are.. is well... just stating the facts.

I'm not anti-god: i'm anti-tyrant.
i'm not anti-truth: i'm anti-gullible

and my darkness is not associated with evil, its associated with negative emotions.

be sure to get your "facts" right before you state them as such.

 

[DarkVoid]

ok then i present that we arnt as smart as we think we are
well thats the latest reasonable conspiracy ive heard
its called mutiny on a planet we dont own just like
ourselves we have a shelvelife i hear.
Oh my can you believe that one?

if the owner of the planet/ourselves is a tyrant then he deserves mutiny

tyrants like to limit options, we are limited to 2 options (heaven or hell: according to the bible)...i say thats a bit tyrannical.

its like: really? wait, is there a 3rd choice?? no? no third? .... just those 2?? oh...thats great... (time for a revolution) lol

 

[DarkVoid]

I understand what you mean, dark void, for a lot of people life is exteremely painful and for them to be able to shortcut the whole process and proceed directly to God may be more merciful, physically. And they do avoid that awkward age of coming to make a decision.

The notion of God being cruel for condeming people is wrong too. No one is condemned to hell, they choose it. Say I build a shelter for the homelesss and all I ask is that on the way in you stop and say thanks. Tell me thanks you're in warm and safe, tell me to take a hike and you can go sit out on the curb in the weather. Does that make me cruel to have 'condemned' those poor souls out in the rain? I think they kinda brought it on themselves.

well if you create them knowing that they will become homeless and then you give them shelter well that does not make sense...

maybe you did not make them homeless but you created them to become homeless. why not just create them with homes already?? haha

and some people say: god wants us to rely on him. well government also wants us to rely on it...

 

[Abiding]

if the owner of the planet/ourselves is a tyrant then he deserves mutiny

tyrants like to limit options, we are limited to 2 options (heaven or hell: according to the bible)...i say thats a bit tyrannical.

its like: really? wait, is there a 3rd choice?? no? no third? .... just those 2?? oh...thats great... (time for a revolution) lol

Cute, ok your God. Surely youd hand out a menu...right?
Maybe a travel guide? 5-10 options, some may think 3 is a rip.

 

[DarkVoid]

Cute, ok your God. Surely youd hand out a menu...right?
Maybe a travel guide? 5-10 options, some may think 3 is a rip.

ahaha, sure! 5-10 sounds good. you can pick something. may not be exactly what ya want but at least you got options!

might even throw in a car freshener

 

[Abiding]

well id say you would be a fine god
throwing in an air freshener and all
yes youd have happy campers that smell good.

When everyone got tired of the airfreshener
and bored of the 5-10 pick then what?
surely you give them a new scent and give them
5-10 more choices right? And right away at that.

 

[DarkVoid]

well id say you would be a fine god
throwing in an air freshener and all
yes youd have happy campers that smell good.

When everyone got tired of the airfreshener
and bored of the 5-10 pick then what?
surely you give them a new scent and give them
5-10 more choices right? And right away at that.

ahahahah xDD

sure they get a new scent!

but if they are not willing to settle for 10 options then they are too picky! lol i would be willing to settle with 5 xD

i mean it may not be the best but its alot better than only 2! lol

like with ice cream: if they have chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, cookie crumb, and peach, well yea mayb they don't have rocky road, but its alot better than just chocolate and vanilla xD

 

[didymos]

I'm not anti-god: i'm anti-tyrant.
i'm not anti-truth: i'm anti-gullible

and my darkness is not associated with evil, its associated with negative emotions.

be sure to get your "facts" right before you state them as such.

.... FACT is that this thread isn't about you at all, but about the question if a fetus is human life in God's eyes or not. That's the question we should discuss here, nothing else. So please stop hijacking this thread to suit your own purposes, you've been doing so since page 1 and it's very annoying. No offense, but if you have personal problems go talk with sombody about them, a friend, a counselor, or make your own personal thread about it, instead of venting your negative emotions here. I guess you're as 'evil' as the next person, we're all sinners, but there's no reason to overemphasize that fact. So back on topic please!

So is a fetus human life in GOD's eyes? I do believe that God has a relationship with us from the very moment of conception. Psalm 139 comes to mind here:

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

Whatever the circumstances are of the conception of a fetus, it is still a beloved child of God. He wanted it to come into this world, so who are we to prevent that from happening? What does it matter if it is, for instance, a 'rapist's child?' The poor infant itself can't help that. It's our responsibility to give such a child all the love it needs, and to support its mother too.
I just can't understand how easily the decision to abort a child is made, while no one in his right mind would consider kiling a baby. Unlike a baby a fetus in the womb can't be seen and doesn't have a personality yet, so that makes it easier to 'get rid' of it. But God knows it, God sees it, God loves it, God wishes it. All human life is sacred, from the very moment of its conception. Ending it is murder and a sin.

 

[Abiding]

ahahahah xDD

sure they get a new scent!

but if they are not willing to settle for 10 options then they are too picky! lol i would be willing to settle with 5 xD

i mean it may not be the best but its alot better than only 2! lol

like with ice cream: if they have chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, cookie crumb, and peach, well yea mayb they don't have rocky road, but its alot better than just chocolate and vanilla xD

Well youd think so huh? but since you made them im sure you
know it wont take long until you have nothing but unhappy tyrants.
that are bored of all the smells and choices. Right?
Your a smart gal. im running to the store.
Good luck with your creation brb

 

[DarkVoid]

.... FACT is that this thread isn't about you at all, but about the question if a fetus is human life in God's eyes or not. That's the question we should discuss here, nothing else. So please stop hijacking this thread to suit your own purposes, you've been doing so since page 1 and it's very annoying. No offense, but if you have personal problems go talk with sombody about them, a friend, a counselor, or make your own personal thread about it, instead of venting your negative emotions here. I guess you're as 'evil' as the next person, we're all sinners, but there's no reason to overemphasize that fact. So back on topic please!

I did not mean to "hijack" the thread. my original post was on the subject of abortion. but it kinda got out of control i admit, but i was simply replying to things other people said, was i suppose to ignore them?

anyway, sorry for the annoyance.

 

[DarkVoid]

Your a smart gal.

well this is awkward... XD

 

[Abiding]

Im back. Hes gone. rekon he needed to do a little decompressing
for some reason, maybe his air freshener went stale

 

[DarkVoid]

Im back. Hes gone. rekon he needed to do a little decompressing
for some reason, maybe his air freshener went stale

Stop hijacking the thread lol

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Jesus prayed thee times that this cup would pass from him. In other words asking the father if there was any other way. He was so distressed ,showing his humanity, the word says that he actually sweated blood. Thankfully he said not my will but yours be done. Then followed the Father's will and gave himself as lamb on the cross.

Secondly, how many children did Jacob have. 12, do you think that they only came together 12 times in there marriage. I would go so far to say that birth control is against GOD.