Is abortion murder?

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

oh yes, abortion is murder, it's obvious, an embryo is a living being in progress of being developed, so to suck it out with a vacuum type mechanism isn't found as killing anyone? and hey look on the bright side, they would not be held accountable for sin, they would go strait to heaven!!!!!, what a view, you think our God is cruel or do you know.
He knows what comes out of the heart of man is vanity, vain imaginations, yes, we have much vanity within us all.

 

[DarkVoid]

You dont have to go easy on Abiding. He likes abuse.

haha, ok i will keep that in mind

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Pro 30:2 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
Pro 30:3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Pro 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Pro 30:7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:
Pro 30:8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
Pro 30:9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

 

[CDavid]

And as for you... you hateful, vile person.

Before you rebuke or condemn someone I suggest you get ahold of the bible and open it up to passages about love, anger, hatred, judging, pride, and arrogance.

We are to LOVE everyone! We are to help the weak in faith. Not condemn them.

I hope you realize God will judge YOU the same measure you judged DarkVoid. You have NO right to tell someone they should have been aborted. You have NO right to insult and condescend him. You have NO right to pass judgement in the way you have.

We are to love our neighbor. You are to be patient, and kind with them.

How dare you speak in such a way. The evil things you have said is not of God. It is not Christian.

I will pray for you that you are able to let go of the evil and malice in your heart. If not, then I pray God shows you mercy

Your heart is in the right place, but your head is full of mush. This vile creature; (Dark Void), has no heart. As Christians we must take a stand. Christians who do not stand against all these Dark Voids will one day find they have fallen into a Dark Void, along with Satan and all who refuse to rebuke and reprove sin.

 

[DarkVoid]

your verse 3 in specific, the purpose of wise instruction, or even understanding wisdom is not to be found to you as confusing, in fact my God is not the author of confusion, however on the other side satan is the author of lies, confusion and cunningly deceitful, God's word and wisdom are wise, and sweet as honey, as food for your soul and a well that never runs dry, the words of pure life.
my God will give utterance through the Holy Spirit to speak:

Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Oy, even Judas can tell you of the word of the only wise God.


Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

I am well aware of what you believe your god to be.

but just cuz god says it, does not mean it is true...

how can one know what is true?? i am still not sure how truth can be obtained.

 

[crossnote]

Yes I was once ut being lost is no excuse to murder babies. These reprobates know this is just wrong, God or no God.
They need to be "rebuked and reproved in season and out". They need to be exposed for what they are; the army of Satan.

This Dark Void is not just lost. Dark Void is completely void of empathy, or moral compass.

Laissez faire Christians, who do not speak out against these atrocities, have more blood on there hands than did the ones who remained silent during the holocaust. Hitler may have killed six or eight million, but abortion factories kill 1.2 million each year, here in America alone.

To every thing, there is a time and a reason. It's time to rebuke and reprove. And 1.2 million murdered babies each year is the reason.

Yes we need to rebuke and expose. The problem with the Holocaust analogy is that under Hitler the victims went unwillingly whereas today the mothers do it willingly to their own children which indicates a culture so in love with themselves that they willingly sacrifice the fruit of their womb for convenience sake.

 

[DarkVoid]

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
See, not as much of a sadistic ogre as you portay.

of course if his nature is vile he would not portray himself that way.

 

[CDavid]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth619

And as for you... you hateful, vile person.
Before you rebuke or condemn someone I suggest you get ahold of the bible and open it up to passages about love, anger, hatred, judging, pride, and arrogance.

Everything I said was said in love. Love for the babies that Dark Void would kill. Tough Love. That there's what we need more of, now days. If Dark Void had had a little of that kind of love, perhaps he wouldn't be so Dark hearted and Void of compassion.
I think the world would be a much better place, if all the Dark Voids were removed. Or maybe you're right. Maybe this world needs more Dark Voids, and their abortion factories.

 

[crossnote]

of course if his nature is vile he would not portray himself that way.

You like conspiracy theories?

 

[DarkVoid]

This Dark Void is not just lost. Dark Void is completely void of empathy, or moral compass.

Seriously? lol You have no idea how i feel.

I see abortion as less painful than living life.

the ones i really have empathy for are the ones who are born and actually suffer.

try starving to death or getting tortured to death by a serial killer...bet abortion will seem pretty nice by then...

 

[Abiding]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth619

And as for you... you hateful, vile person.
Before you rebuke or condemn someone I suggest you get ahold of the bible and open it up to passages about love, anger, hatred, judging, pride, and arrogance.

Everything I said was said in love. Love for the babies that Dark Void would kill. Tough Love. That there's what we need more of, now days. If Dark Void had had a little of that kind of love, perhaps he wouldn't be so Dark hearted and Void of compassion.
I think the world would be a much better place, if all the Dark Voids were removed. Or maybe you're right. Maybe this world needs more Dark Voids, and their abortion factories.

Dont call that love. Or call yourself a believer either. Her i understand, you i dont. Go learn about justice and mercy.
Actually the world would be better off without people like you with dark voids in their mind and hearts posing as believers.

 

[superdave5221]

Well i'm glad you clarified on your own personal definition of atheist lol

and of course anything "god inspired" would be more accurate historically but that does not prove the true nature of this god


and no, i am not bias at all, just cuz a book (wether secular or not) tells me something does not mean i will believe it.

1: well i did not say humans were his only source of entertainment. he probably has millions of things going on all at once, we are just one of them.
2: (skip)
3: no. gods purpose for giving us life is most likely to set up an environment for this "game". we need life to participate. that's all. (god always wins)
4: and of course it concerns me. but there is not really anything i can do about it. "god" is in control.

well yea. People should get what they give.

Thank you for your answers. Please correct me if I am wrong, but you now sound more like a Deist. A Deist is someone who believes in an impersonal God who created the world and now sits back and watches, (for entertainment possibly??). Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.

Such a god is not the God described in the bible and the God that I know.

I believe that you are saying that the rapist should be punished? Why? Who made that rule?

Are there moral absolutes or is everything relative? Who gets to decide morality? Shouldn't it be the God who created the universe that gets to make that decision?

Now, to answer number 4. Yes there is something that you can do about it.

We live in a fallen world, because God's creatures disobeyed His Laws (moral) and brought sin into the world. God's Law is a reflection of Who He is. He is a moral God. He is also a Holy God, who must exact justice and punishment for lawlessness. But because God is also Love, He sent His only begotton Son to die to satisfy our punishment, which is eternity in Hell.

There is hope. You have broken God's Law. I have also. We all have!

But because Jesus Christ, who lived a sinless life, was sacrificed in our place, we do not have to pay the penalty for our lawlessness. Isn't that GREAT NEWS!

You don't have to go to Hell. All you need to do is acknowledge your need of a Savior, believe in Him (Christ), and accept Him as your Savior and Lord, and place your full trust in Him.

Take your bible and begin reading in the book of John. Ask God to open your heart to His Spirit of Truth. He will open your mind to the truth.

God is not evil, but Holy. He loves you and does not want you to go to Hell. I don't either. Jesus Christ has prepared a wonderful place for those who love Him. How do I know this? Because He said so. And the bible records a God who always is faithful and keeps His promises. You will not find such faithfulness in this world.

 

[Fighting4Him]

Why are you so bent out of shape, Dark Void of anything worth living for. Just keep on doing your own thing. Take that chance, you 19 year old pencil neck punk.

I'm not like the rest of the laissez faire Christians, you've been persecuting in the past, with your putrid blasphemies.
2 Timothy 4:2

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

I rebuke and reprove all things dark and void of anything redeemable.
I'm a fire and brimstone haranguing holy roller, and proud of it.
You just keep on keeping on. Dig that hole deeper and deeper. You're going to want to crawl in it and hide on judgment day.

Using the same verse that you used and looking up the meanings of the words (based on the Greek) what you are doing is wrong.

Reprove: convict, convince, tell a fault
Rebuke: forbid
Exhort: to call near, that is, invite, - beseech, call for, (be of good) comfort, intreat, pray.

Yes we are to tell them what they are doing is wrong and they shouldn't do it. BUT we are to do this kindly. No one is going to feel invited, or comforted, with insults. No one is argued or hated into the kingdom of God.

Romans 3:23-24 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Based on that, God says that everyone is welcomed and has a reason to live.

 

[DarkVoid]

oh yes, abortion is murder, it's obvious, an embryo is a living being in progress of being developed, so to suck it out with a vacuum type mechanism isn't found as killing anyone? and hey look on the bright side, they would not be held accountable for sin, they would go strait to heaven!!!!!, what a view, you think our God is cruel or do you know.
He knows what comes out of the heart of man is vanity, vain imaginations, yes, we have much vanity within us all.

Being aborted is better than hell.

and i don't know 100% if your god is cruel. but i am 99% sure he is.

mayb i will find something that will shift my belief.

 

[BarlyGurl]

And as for you... you hateful, vile person.
Before you rebuke or condemn someone I suggest you get ahold of the bible and open it up to passages about love, anger, hatred, judging, pride, and arrogance.
Perhaps you might want to re-visit the scripture yourself???

We are to LOVE everyone! We are to help the weak in faith. Not condemn them. I have to conclude that love is warm fuzzy to you. That we are to LOVE everyone... that means sometimes we use capital punishment... or call what is evil evil. Helping the "weak in faith" means they have to HAVE SOME FIRST. A person who is ANTI-God or anti-TRUTH or believes in the supernatural realm giving preference to EVIL... makes themselves fairly clear as to what side of the fence they are standing on... to Which they condemn themselves... telling them they are.. is well... just stating the facts.

I hope you realize God will judge YOU the same measure you judged DarkVoid. And I hope you realize God will judge you with the same measure you have judged CDavid in declaring him a hateful vile person. You don't have to agree with hs method but to purposefully rail at an elder is out of order and this particular instance aligns you with dark void... who I already mentioned is standing on the wrong side of the fence. I don't especially like the verbiage used in the previous post, nor the method... but I think you probably know in accordance with biblical authority structure and order... having percieved an offense doesn't give you liscense to rail away like you have. It isn't becoming to Christiandom or women believer's. YOu could have excersised far more diligence yourself in self-control, spoke more carefully and been more effective... instead of what is on record now.

We are to love our neighbor. our neighbor is our brethren... You are to be patient, and kind with them. We are to be separate and not condone, caudle or keep as pets any form of spiritual darkness...

How dare you speak in such a way. The evil things you have said is not of God. It is not Christian.
I will pray for you that you are able to let go of the evil and malice in your heart. If not, then I pray God shows you mercy

I have noticed you demonstrate far more intelligence and poise than this particular post. I am not sure how to suggest you best recover... I leave that between you an God. Except to point out to the audience that this is a good example of what not to do, or how letting strong emotions override good sense causes a mess... I have nothing else to say.

 

[DarkVoid]

This vile creature; (Dark Void), has no heart.

i'm vile for thinking its ok if "babies" (fetus) go to heaven? but you're not for condemning people to eternal torture?

well ok then lol

RIP: logic.

 

[DarkVoid]

You like conspiracy theories?

haha, well it depends, but i am open to all reasonable possibilities...

 

[superdave5221]

Thank you for your answers. Please correct me if I am wrong, but you now sound more like a Deist. A Deist is someone who believes in an impersonal God who created the world and now sits back and watches, (for entertainment possibly??). Thomas Jefferson was a Deist.

Such a god is not the God described in the bible and the God that I know.

I believe that you are saying that the rapist should be punished? Why? Who made that rule? Where does man, who is a creature, derive his morality from? How can we, mere creatures, punish those who break our moral laws but then judge the God of the Universe for doing the same?

Are there moral absolutes or is everything relative? Who gets to decide morality? Shouldn't it be the God who created the universe that gets to decide morality?

Now, to answer number 4. Yes there is something that you can do about it.

We live in a fallen world, because God's creatures disobeyed His Laws (moral) and brought sin into the world. God's Law is a reflection of Who He is. He is a moral God. He is also a Holy God, who must exact justice and punishment for lawlessness. But because God is also Love, He sent His only begotton Son to die to satisfy our punishment, which is eternity in Hell.

There is hope. You have broken God's Law. I have also. We all have!

But because Jesus Christ, who lived a sinless life, was sacrificed in our place, we do not have to pay the penalty for our lawlessness. Isn't that GREAT NEWS!

You don't have to go to Hell. All you need to do is acknowledge your need of a Savior, believe in Him (Christ), and accept Him as your Savior and Lord, and place your full trust in Him.

Take your bible and begin reading in the book of John. Ask God to open your heart to His Spirit of Truth. He will open your mind to the truth.

God is not evil, but Holy. He loves you and does not want you to go to Hell. I don't either. Jesus Christ has prepared a wonderful place for those who love Him. How do I know this? Because He said so. And the bible records a God who always is faithful and keeps His promises. You will not find such faithfulness in this world.

This is a reposting with some changes.

 

[Abiding]

ok then i present that we arnt as smart as we think we are
well thats the latest reasonable conspiracy ive heard
its called mutiny on a planet we dont own just like
ourselves we have a shelvelife i hear.
Oh my can you believe that one?

 

[BarlyGurl]

Your heart is in the right place, but your head is full of mush. This vile creature; (Dark Void), has no heart. As Christians we must take a stand. Christians who do not stand against all these Dark Voids will one day find they have fallen into a Dark Void, along with Satan and all who refuse to rebuke and reprove sin.

How did this degrade into making these kind of declaration... I scrolled up looking for the post confessed being cannibal or other assorted unseemly things that should not be spoke of... but I found none??? Head full of mush??? Really?? I would encourage you to check your OWN SELF... quickly. Really bad witness for Christ