President Obama's Impending Executive Order Amnesty

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President Obama is signaling that he is going to give 11 million illegal aliens "free" U.S. citizenship through executive order after the House plan to do so fails due to fierce resistance by the American people as is being predicted by most political analysts currently.

Am I the only one amazed at how Obama is exercising almost Monarchical power via executive order to get what he wants whether or not the American people, whose will is expressed in the Congress and Senate, like it or not.

And, make no mistake, what Democrats and the mainstream modern liberal media celebrate is going to come back to bite them and here's why.

Most Democrats are either government workers (e.g. 22 million) or receiving money from the government in some manner (welfare programs, entitlement programs, etc...).

Just federal and state welfare program costs alone (not counting entitlement programs like Social Security or Medicare nor Veteran's programs) grew from $563 billion in 2008 to over $1.03 trillion dollars a year currently and that is fully documented in nonpartisan Congressional Research Service reports available online.

And, the U.S. deficit is almost at a trillion dollars for 2013 while the U.S. national debt is over $16.5 trillion.

What do these Democrat government workers, social security/medicare recipients, public aid recipients, etc... think is going to happen when 11 million poor illegal immigrants are given "free" U.S. citizenship and can immediately sign up for welfare and social services while joining existing entitlement programs and initiating chain migration to bring up to another 40 million of their family in to join them on welfare, social services, and entitlement programs in the worst U.S. job market since the Great Depression?

Do Democrats realize that two-thirds of all U.S. new job growth currently bypasses U.S. citizens and goes directly to mostly legal foreign immigrants yet is so low paying that most of these simultaneously qualify, to varying degrees, for government programs?

I hope Democrats aren't putting any stock in the U2 unemployment rate the mainstream media bandies around because it's near meaningless for describing the actual unemployment, underemployment, and underpaid draconian situation that exists right now in the U.S..

Even with massive tax increases, more massive borrowing, and resorting to printing money out of thin air, where is the U.S. going to get THAT much money? Are existing Democrats on public aid ready to see dramatic decreases in the amount they receive. Are government workers ready to see dramatic decreases in both their numbers, tenure, and the compensation they currently receive?

For that's what is going to happen if Obama issues executive orders to that effect and they are permitted to stand. Democrats are living on a pink cloud and it's going to fade as reality progressively sets in if what they are doing is permitted to stand. How can we save Democrats from themselves?
 
All valid points and questions, indeed. The political order they are creating will necessitate a lash of some sort. Thankfully, the Democratic party is filled with opportunists that want to push the lash away if it means a chance of being comfortably elected.

I do not think Obama is out for comfort now though. 2012 showed the building of a new political consensus that he is trying to solidify. Let's pray the scheme doesn't work.
 
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"The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday quietly raised the 10-year cost of Obama-Care's insurance subsidies offered via the health law's exchanges by $233 billion, according to a Congressional Budget Office review of its latest spending forecast.

The CBO's new baseline estimate shows that Obama-Care subsidies offered through the insurance exchanges — which are supposed to be up and running by next January — will total more than $1 trillion through 2022, up from $814 billion over those same years in its budget forecast made a year ago. That's an increase of nearly 29%."

If amnesty goes through, the new $1 trillion estimate will be re-estimated upwards substantially.

ObamaCare Exchange Subsidy Cost Hiked $233 Billion: CBO - Investors.com
 
Even with massive tax increases, more massive borrowing, and resorting to printing money out of thin air, where is the U.S. going to get THAT much money?

they're not going to get that much money.
nobody's getting any more.
that's the idea.

it's going to be work-in-the-jobs-they-give-you-for-your-daily-GMO-bread and that's it.


Debtors' Prison Is Back -- and Just as Cruel as Ever
By Ross Kenneth Urken
Posted 12:25PM 08/30/12

To most of us, "debtors' prison" sounds like an archaic institution, something straight out of a Dickens novel. But the idea of jailing people who can't pay what they owe is alive and well in 21st-century America.

According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, debt collectors in Missouri, Illinois, Alabama and other states are using a legal loophole to justify jailing poor citizens who legitimately cannot pay their debts.

Debtors' Prison Is Back -- and Just as Cruel as Ever - DailyFinance < click

no leaving the ground to lie fallow for 7 years any more.
and no forgiveness of debts according to what God said, either.

best idea: start learning to grow edibles.
in a place the drones can't see them:)
 
All valid points and questions, indeed. The political order they are creating will necessitate a lash of some sort. Thankfully, the Democratic party is filled with opportunists that want to push the lash away if it means a chance of being comfortably elected.

I do not think Obama is out for comfort now though. 2012 showed the building of a new political consensus that he is trying to solidify. Let's pray the scheme doesn't work.

ultimately Obama is nada.
the agenda goes forward no matter which face they give us.

Executive Order is the new Rule of Law in America.

and if you don't like it, well....he has an Executive Order for dissenters as well.
 
All valid points and questions, indeed. The political order they are creating will necessitate a lash of some sort. Thankfully, the Democratic party is filled with opportunists that want to push the lash away if it means a chance of being comfortably elected.

I do not think Obama is out for comfort now though. 2012 showed the building of a new political consensus that he is trying to solidify. Let's pray the scheme doesn't work.

My cousin believes the scheme is to change the term limit...or perhaps eliminate it altogether.

Is that the sort of thing you meant?
 
"The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday quietly raised the 10-year cost of Obama-Care's insurance subsidies offered via the health law's exchanges by $233 billion, according to a Congressional Budget Office review of its latest spending forecast.

The CBO's new baseline estimate shows that Obama-Care subsidies offered through the insurance exchanges — which are supposed to be up and running by next January — will total more than $1 trillion through 2022, up from $814 billion over those same years in its budget forecast made a year ago. That's an increase of nearly 29%."

If amnesty goes through, the new $1 trillion estimate will be re-estimated upwards substantially.

ObamaCare Exchange Subsidy Cost Hiked $233 Billion: CBO - Investors.com

what's a trillion here or there?:rolleyes:
none of it is real money, and none of it is your debt.
cancel it.
convene Grand Juries.
 
Pray that the Government get out of the way of the Church. The government was never given the athority of taking care of people, Just protecting. It is the Churches job to feed and cloth people, even illegal aliens.
 
About my last post.

Jesus’ Threefold Restoration of Peter

15 When they had eaten breakfast, Jesus asked Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?""Yes, Lord," he said to Him, "You know that I love You.""Feed My lambs," He told him.

16 A second time He asked him, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?""Yes, Lord," he said to Him, "You know that I love You.""Shepherd My sheep," He told him.

17 He asked him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?"Peter was grieved that He asked him the third time, "Do you love Me?" He said, "Lord, You know everything! You know that I love You.""Feed My sheep," Jesus said.

 

2 Thessalonians 3:7-12

(7 For you yourselves know how you must imitate us: We were not irresponsible among you;

8 we did not eat anyone’s food free of charge; instead, we labored and struggled, working night and day, so that we would not be a burden to any of you.

9 It is not that we don’t have the right to support, but we did it to make ourselves an example to you so that you would imitates us.

10 In fact, when we were with you, this is what we commanded you: "If anyone isn’t willing to work, he should not eat."

11 For we hear that there are some among you who walk irresponsibly, not working at all, but interfering with the work of others.

12 Now we command and exhort such people by the Lord Jesus Christ that quietly working, they may eat their own food.)

Of course there are truly disabled people that can't work that we are to take care of.


What about non Christian people? Let them learn of the love of Christ after a hard day at work and being fed. There is no such thing as a meer mortal.
 
Obama claims his love and awe of Pres. Lincoln whybecause he is taking Lincoln's example but replacing and twisting it with hateinstead of the love Lincoln had for the people and the nation under God. Obamahas progressively foisted his ways broken vows on the promise of the office tothe constitution abuses the resources of the presidency for his pleasure and leisureenacts economic destruction dilutes the pure rights of citizenship enslavingthe U.S. by divide and conquer breakingit until he removes the constitution, lawlessness using perversioary means by illegal executiveorder destroy the Nation because of his spiritual beliefs i.e. hatred for our social sins? What is abaddon, apollyondestruction this is majority of what is in Obama’s wake.
 
My cousin believes the scheme is to change the term limit...or perhaps eliminate it altogether.

Is that the sort of thing you meant?

Nope. This time around Obama won through playing with and expanding Democratic Coalitions. Look at what Bush and Rove did in '04. They went out to different communities and asked two questions:

1. Are you a Christian?

2. So you own a firearm?

Congratulations, Merry Christmas, Happy Birthday, you're a Republican. Vote for us and have a cookie.

'12 was the same deal only with different questions, but the same concept was involved: grow the voting base by making more D's.

This has distinct advantages that are obvious. You don't need to be extremely careful with your messaging. You don't need to reach out to self proclaimed Independents and undecideds; all you need to do is go negative and pile drive your foes. Your base is going to like you no matter what you say, so make sure they hate the other guy.

Illegals will try to vote anyway, but having millions more in the DNC's back pocket would give the party unbelievable power.

I don't think he will try to change the laws to be President for life in all honesty. I also happen to believe that elections still have consequences; that it isn't some cosmic game of musical chairs. Politicians are puppets of public will and ideas primarily. If the American people themselves awaken and reform and we still get the same results, then I will cede the argument to all the conspiracy theorists, and live in a cave somewhere.
 
This new Congressional Research Service report shows the total amount that U.S. corporations earned in foreign operations for 2008 (note: 2008 is the latest data available for that statistic) was $938 billion and that U.S. corporations are engaging in profit-shifting to reduce the amount in taxes they have to pay on that profit.

But to give this some perspective, consider that if the U.S. government simply told all U.S. businesses that they could not keep ANY profit earned overseas (e.g. the IRS simply confiscated 100% of all foreign earnings by U.S. businesses), it would not be enough to pay for the more than $1.03 trillion a year the U.S. government now spends on 83 welfare programs (which do not include entitlement programs like SS or Medicare, nor veterans programs, nor ObamaCare, nor corporate welfare, etc...).

That's a lot of government welfare spending. But, add millions and millions of new people to those existing welfare programs, via giving illegal aliens U.S. citizenship so they are eligible for them, and recalculate welfare spending dramatically upwards.

The new CRS report is here: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42927.pdf

The CRS report showing $1.03 trillion a year is being spent on 83 pure welfare programs is here: http://budget.senate.gov/republican...?File_id=0f87b42d-f182-4b3d-8ae2-fa8ac8a8edad
 
Obama claims his love and awe of Pres. Lincoln whybecause he is taking Lincoln's example

food for thought.
pay attention to all the potential predictive programming.
there's been a lot lately on Lincoln, and what happened to him.
there are other hints something might become something.
don't put anything past them.
 
Nope. This time around Obama won through playing with and expanding Democratic Coalitions. Look at what Bush and Rove did in '04. They went out to different communities and asked two questions:

1. Are you a Christian?

2. So you own a firearm?

Congratulations, Merry Christmas, Happy Birthday, you're a Republican. Vote for us and have a cookie.

'12 was the same deal only with different questions, but the same concept was involved: grow the voting base by making more D's.

This has distinct advantages that are obvious. You don't need to be extremely careful with your messaging. You don't need to reach out to self proclaimed Independents and undecideds; all you need to do is go negative and pile drive your foes. Your base is going to like you no matter what you say, so make sure they hate the other guy.

Illegals will try to vote anyway, but having millions more in the DNC's back pocket would give the party unbelievable power.

I don't think he will try to change the laws to be President for life in all honesty. I also happen to believe that elections still have consequences; that it isn't some cosmic game of musical chairs. Politicians are puppets of public will and ideas primarily. If the American people themselves awaken and reform and we still get the same results, then I will cede the argument to all the conspiracy theorists, and live in a cave somewhere.

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This new Congressional Research Service report shows the total amount that U.S. corporations earned in foreign operations for 2008 (note: 2008 is the latest data available for that statistic) was $938 billion and that U.S. corporations are engaging in profit-shifting to reduce the amount in taxes they have to pay on that profit.

But to give this some perspective, consider that if the U.S. government simply told all U.S. businesses that they could not keep ANY profit earned overseas (e.g. the IRS simply confiscated 100% of all foreign earnings by U.S. businesses), it would not be enough to pay for the more than $1.03 trillion a year the U.S. government now spends on 83 welfare programs (which do not include entitlement programs like SS or Medicare, nor veterans programs, nor ObamaCare, nor corporate welfare, etc...).

That's a lot of government welfare spending. But, add millions and millions of new people to those existing welfare programs, via giving illegal aliens U.S. citizenship so they are eligible for them, and recalculate welfare spending dramatically upwards.

The new CRS report is here: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42927.pdf

The CRS report showing $1.03 trillion a year is being spent on 83 pure welfare programs is here: http://budget.senate.gov/republican...?File_id=0f87b42d-f182-4b3d-8ae2-fa8ac8a8edad

AoK,
that's all true.
BUT - since the plan is to NOT maintain US infrastructure, nor develop any more...no more jobs.
they said a long time ago, we are now in a Post-Industrial world, a service economy.

they are still keeping capped the oil and gas reserves you own. if they stopped doing that - jobs and wealth.
but no...not happening.

and since American farming and food production for domestic use is kaput....
well, ya.

the train wreck is speeding up.
 
[video=youtube_share;9LpCIiwarOk]http://youtu.be/9LpCIiwarOk[/video]

Notice the engineer leap right before the train crashes. That's Obama on his way to China... lol.

...the train wreck is speeding up.