Joel Osteen And Oprah Preach New Age Magic

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Joel Osteen is a humble man of God and, hmm, what other kind of threads do you do, I must check, now, alpha, and, see if I can find a way to end this rotten accusation, I'm guessing you are anti-WOF, or, LOL, that goes without saying, doesn't it. I do not judge you for your W.O.F. belief but, I think it is dangerous as all get-out to condemn those who are reaching the lost, even doing so of questionable means, you just don't know (do you?) that they are 100% NOT in the Lord's army, doing work that, just maybe, no one else will do.

Why must people who believe doctrine differently, but STILL believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord demonize another of the SAME faith. SAME. Both have faith in God's grace that saved us from our sins, now, and, forevermore, and, all past sins gone to the minute , and, moment, we BRING them to Him :)

Imagine Osteen's job, too, and, how long has he been preaching now in Houston to the biggest congregation in the USA? 10 years? 15?

His record is clean, I think He is using Osteen in great ways, I saw Joel on Piers Anthony and he and his wife are the humblest twosome, who just follow the Lord, and, smile. And, sorry, if smiling sucks to you, GET OVER IT :)

One last thing, as if one can't figure it out, I hate threads that attack those that are doing the Lord's work, even if it's maybe not done perfectly, it's being DONE !!
 
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* Piers Morgan .

CNN guy , interviews celebrities and high-profile people nightly.
 
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The pastor of the biggest church in America is preaching New Age mysticism on Oprah's show.

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Even Jesus said we would be known by our fruits. If anyone is preaching a gospel other than what Jesus preached he CAN be judged as a false teacher. It is what it is. Not everyone is prosperous in this life. God never promised us a rose garden. Life is tough! Paul was plagued by a "thorn in his flesh" and and asked that it be removed three times. Did God take it away? No. He reminded Paul that His grace was sufficient.
 
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GreenNnice said:
Joel Osteen is a humble man of God and, hmm, what other kind of threads do you do, I must check, now, alpha, and, see if I can find a way to end this rotten accusation, I'm guessing you are anti-WOF, or, LOL, that goes without saying, doesn't it. I do not judge you for your W.O.F. belief but, I think it is dangerous as all get-out to condemn those who are reaching the lost, even doing so of questionable means, you just don't know (do you?) that they are 100% NOT in the Lord's army, doing work that, just maybe, no one else will do


Why must people who believe doctrine differently, but STILL believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord demonize another of the SAME faith. SAME. Both have faith in God's grace that saved us from our sins, now, and, forevermore, and, all past sins gone to the minute , and, moment, we BRING them to Him :)




Imagine Osteen's job, too, and, how long has he been preaching now in Houston to the biggest congregation in the USA? 10 years? 15?

His record is clean, I think He is using Osteen in great ways, I saw Joel on Piers Anthony and he and his wife are the humblest twosome, who just follow the Lord, and, smile. And, sorry, if smiling sucks to you, GET OVER IT :)

One last thing, as if one can't figure it out, I hate threads that attack those that are doing the Lord's work, even if it's maybe not done perfectly, it's being DONE !!
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I saw Joel on CNN with Larry King a few years ago. I was quite a new Christian then and was quite shocked. He basically said that he did not need to tell people the 'truth' as he had no right to tell anyone what to believe...that his role was not to judge but just to love...there was more ways to heaven than one way. I am sure this is acceptable to some, but not to me. He may be genuine, loving but can still be genuinely wrong. I got the distinct impression that he was trying to be 'all things to all people'. This is impossible. The ways of God (Our creator God) are controversial, are foolishness to those who do not have belief of the sure salvation in the blood of Jesus Christ. We are called to stand up for what we believe. Of course we need to do this in a loving and non - condemning way but the bottom line is that we cannot possibly be on the same page as a Hindu,
atheist or a Muslim because we do not believe in the same God or share the same world view. To compramise is a slippery slope...Joel Osteen has been preaching Christian-Lite for years and i would ask you just to go and check out his interview with Larry King, must have been about 10 years ago...and then ask if he really is standing up for the THE TRUTH or simply ducking, diving and avoiding answering the tough questions of Christian beliefs that, if he answered Biblically, would make him 'unpopular'. He has much in common with Rick Warren, who does the same. Yes, genuine men who love the Lord maybe but they can still do so dangerous. Their teachings may be liked, even loved by many but that too does not make them right. Check out Lighthouse Trails Publishing, LLC, the latter web site has some very interesting information for the church on the impact of such ministries, contemplative Christianity and other issues that we all need to be aware of that impact the church today. You may not agree with much that is written for or against such ministries but it does us well to have informed opinions. History, let alone Scripture, tells us very clearly that popularity, Charisma and the size of a ministry should be approached with discernment, it is certainly not a validation of its authenticity. <><
 
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Oh Green you just got me crying buckets. Nice ole Joel.
Ya who needs the gospel these days anyway right?
Give them smooth words and flatteries that works much better.:cool:
 
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Happened upon this critique of Osteen a few weeks ago. Some very interesting points. Worth a watch.

[video=youtube_share;gIuUeck9yag]http://youtu.be/gIuUeck9yag[/video]
 
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"Live victoriously and thou shalt be saved!"
 
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Joel Osteen seems to be all about the prosperity gospel and no sin. I fail to see how the man is a Christian. There's a lesson here in falling to pride and greed.
 
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Maynard, that was an excellent piece.:)
 
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Joel Osteen seems to be all about the prosperity gospel and no sin. I fail to see how the man is a Christian. There's a lesson here in falling to pride and greed.
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This guy and others are a very good lesson for the word "apostasy". It's nice to have a frame of reference.
 
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This guy and others are a very good lesson for the word "apostasy". It's nice to have a frame of reference.
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I'm sorry Joel but the "Name it and claim it" gospel must be a different gospel than the one Jesus taught. In his defense, he is NOT the only one doing this. Not by a long shot. I hate to say it but this gospel is rampant on TV...and unfortunately a good deal of it is on the "christian" TV channels. Just turn one on. "If you give ME, the God will give YOU."

There is no need to name names. It would be easier to list those who do NOT resort to this tactic.

The best advice that I would give to a new believer is to find a good church where the Bible is taught. Not the preachers own words and opinions. Also to read and study the word And, especially if they hear something from church or TV not to accept it at face value.
 
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WHO's Church is it?
 
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If Osteen believes in Christ and Christ crucified, it's good enough for me. We are to live in the presence of God. Joel does. Moses did. Abraham did. Many didn't. They were apostate. Again, THINK before speaking out against someone who is leading sooo many to Christ :)

Sure, like I said, it's not the perfect gospel, but, then, again, Who is perfect? Only one 'Who,' I know of that is, what about you?


Live in the presence of God and help others live there, too, and, there is none finer than Joel for TEACHING that kind of abiding lifestyle in Him.

Sorry, I didn't identify 'WOF,' and, it should be claimed a name ;), 'Word of Faith' preaching (no, not 'movement,' that's you who say that , not me), that is, there are those that believe that by the power of God and truly living in His presence that great things can happen and, the preachers of this stance on faith preaching believe that giving away large tithe and money amounts leads to great blessings from God.

I find it funny, very, that there are those that preach against this being right, when, truly, in order to truly understand the preaching of W.O.F. you would have to be 'God,' because He is the one who works in the presence of the lives of these people who are in the presence of preachers who are in His presence, too.

I have heard no bad stories of deceit and 'Jimmy Swaggart' type swindle stuff either from this kind of preaching, I am not a part of it, full disclosure, but that does not make it wrong, it's just not perfect, I think, most will say, but i venture to guess, not judging, just saying, that, perhaps, those thinking this way need to have a heart-to-heart with God about their own giving, and, just, maybe, there's some sort of bittterness there that's hard for you to see, and, you could use some words of faith into your life :)

Why not? What's God telling you? I don't live your life. How is it going? I just know in the darkest hours of my life, I've, basically, thrown myself at God and said, 'OK, Lord, I am beginning to see now, more of you and less of me.' This has gone for various things in my life and God's anchored me through all my extremely tough times that were really not tough at all with Him. :)

I just don't get it??????
The Lord leads..... Do you see horns on Joel's head? No , you see someone who teaches and preaches to 'live victoriously,' and, the power of positive thinking and Joel is someone who knows God, and, loves God, and, Jesus, and, Joel is doing TOUGH work, I agree, he does not preach perfect, but, he is reaching so many for Christ and what God does to Joel is evident now, nothing. He hasn't smited him, he hasn't stopped his ministry, the Devil, too, can't touch this man of God. So, why do you try?
You're not the Devil, are you? :(
 
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The thing is, Green, is that there is little evidence to suggest that Joel Osteen currently believes in a biblical Christianity.
 
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I just don't get it??????
The Lord leads..... Do you see horns on Joel's head? ..... He hasn't smited him, he hasn't stopped his ministry, the Devil, too, can't touch this man of God. So, why do you try?
You're not the Devil, are you? :([/QUOTE]

Firstly, I think satan is a lot more devious and deceitful than to send his 'work' running down the road in a red suit, forked tail and horns! He , as we are biblically shown, will deceive us through false teaching and even the angels will not, according to Christ, be able to tell the wheat apart fro the tares. Does this man Joel teach Gods Word or a version of it that is easier to swallow? i am afraid by his own tongue it is the latter, which means no matter how much we may 'like' him, he teaches false hoods as we are told we are to teach the 'full' gospel of Jesus Christ. Listen to him when pressed...he talks of God. This is not divisive, most world religions can tolerate us talking of God as they can believe we are all believing in the same one. The biggest error for me is that Joel Osteen & Rick Warren and others like them teach and preach that our creator God is the same as the one Muslims and Hindu's follow. This to me rings alarm bells!! it is very dangerous but biblical as it does show usthat these popular ministries are now potentially opening the door to a 'one world religion' something both these preachers believe is possible but God tells us in Scripture is not. Discernment!! we must pray for it and not follow our feelings but what God wants for us. It is usually not what we want and neither is it the easy and crowded path. <><
 
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Jesus said many will come in my name. So He says Jesus once in awhile....the message will tell who he is and he does this"

Romans 16:17I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people

What he teaches is antigospel the opposite of what Jesus and the apostles taught.
 
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Joel Osteen should promote toothpaste and dental work and be done with it.
 
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