The Media Caught Distorting Numbers on Gay Identity

[TheKringledOne]

The problem comes when you change what it is you are looking at if one group was not added the first time and then added the second time it makes it look like the numbers have changed when if fact they never really did. It changes the parameters of the survey and gives out false numbers. It makes it look like the gay population grew in proportion when in fact it didn't.

Okay I see what your getting at. But even from this article it doesn't seem like the people who did the studies were trying to claim that the gay population grew. I got on the Williams Institute and it is even more clear that that is not what they are claiming on it, and that these are different studies. Heck, the study that showed 3.5% of the population would be in the LGBT demographic was a Gallup poll and wasn't directly related to the Williams institute at all. A writer for the William institute were simply commenting on the study and never even tried to compare it to their own 2011 survey. But I can understand how the author of the article in the opening post had that misconception.

Here is a little bit from the Williams institute's analysis of the Gallup poll that I found amusing; "larger portion of lower educated Americans identify as LGBT compared to college graduates". [Link]

 

[rachelsedge]

I'm not quite sure I see where the discrepancy is, either. The first study of 4 percent includes bisexual and transgender, whereas the 2011 study shows only numbers on gay or lesbians. It would seem to make sense that the percentage would be higher if you include more groups? I think as long as the study that shows 4% is clear that it includes bisexuals (as well as transgender) then I'm not quite sure there's much distortion going on. Could it be distorted for political reason? I'm sure, just like any statistic can.

 

[jack4022]

I've seen a variety of statistics on the subject and the numbers usually fall between 1-5%, I usually go with 3 because its the number that seems to come up the most and is a middle range estimate. However, it is important to note it depends on what kind of questions the researchers are asking. For example if I ask if someone identifies themselves as gay or lesbian, verses have you ever had a homosexual experience you're going to get two different sets of answers. Methods are also important. For example if i survey say 1,000 people in an urban area verses 1,000 people in a rural area, again different results because urban areas have a higher concentration of openly gay and lesbian people. And what if people answer falsely? If someone is gay or lesbian and doesn't want to admit it do they still count as gay? It's a gray area worth considering. While wikipedia isn't always as accurate, it gives a basic breakdown of the demographics of sexual orientation and some of the studies done. Demographics of sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. In my honest opinion the LGBT community needs to focus less on numbers and more on principles. It doesn't matter what percentage of the population they make up, but rather do they deserve the same rights as any other person regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.

 

[zone]

zone, how could you be so clueless to even make such a statement? I thought you were more observant than that.

you're preaching to the choir here AoK.

and watch out who you're calling clueless.
if i decide to blow the lid off this thing, you can make it up to me with a latte.

i already told ya.
this ain't NUTHIN new.

bestiality is next, and necrophilia comes after that, and it's not because it's FUN (except for that inbred clan at the helm).
it's because it's what they have in store FOR CHRISTIAN KIDS.
okay?

and here's a crumb for ya: IT AIN'T THE MOOSLIMS' agenda for our kids.
yawn.

do you as military recognize psyops when you see them?
or are you currently active?

just look how they've got us splitting hairs with statistics and junk - when this stuff shouldn't even be anywhere near the table, let alone up for DEBATE.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Statistics and politics aside for a moment, I view homosexual behavior as an immoral sinful sexual addiction disorder. Basically, I see homosexual behavior as immoral and sinful and those that engage in it as addicts to same-sex sexual addiction.

In my observations, and this is just my observation, those caught in the snare of homosexual addiction can benefit from the the principles of recovery taught in recovery programs and healthy genuine relationship with God through Jesus Christ (especially when supernatural deliverance occurs) into a life of sobriety from their addiction. And, that this can progress even to the point where they lose same-sex attraction over time altogether.

LGBT organizations deny this but I have seen it with my own two eyes.

 

[zone]

my view: take a week and find out who the Frankfurt School is/was.
Tavistock...Chatham...ad nauseum.

then get MAD.

and get sober/straight....and get even by telling the truth.

STOP BEING WILLINGLY INDOC'D

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Hehe... all we have to hear is zone wiggling the wooden spoon drawer and we know to shape up. LOL.

Your Frankfurt School point is noted.

"The Census Bureau admitted Tuesday that it had “artificially inflated the number of same-sex couples in the United States, initially reporting a number that was about 40 percent higher than what it now believes is accurate. After it accounted for the “data capture errors,” the number of same-sex couples in the country was revised to 646,464 from 901,997. Thus, the Census Bureau had "artificially inflated" the number of same-sex couples by 255,533--or 39.5 percent. The Census Bureau said that the errors were not realized until it was too late to alter the 2010 forms."

Census Bureau Admits It 'Artifcially Inflated the Number of Same-Sex Couples' | CNS News

There is definitely a discrepancy here on the 2010 census.

"In August 2002*, Gallup asked Americans, in an open-ended format, to estimate the percentage of American men and the percentage of American women who are homosexual. The average estimates were that 21% of men are gay and 22% of women are lesbians. In fact, roughly a quarter of the public thinks more than 25% of men and 25% of women are homosexual." These numbers should be shocking to anyone who’s lived through the mainstream modern liberal media's and public education's pro-homosexual agenda saturation campaign over the past 20 years.

What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?

There is definitely a discrepancy here between what people believe and what's in the real world.

you're preaching to the choir here AoK.

and watch out who you're calling clueless.
if i decide to blow the lid off this thing, you can make it up to me with a latte.

i already told ya.
this ain't NUTHIN new.

bestiality is next, and necrophilia comes after that, and it's not because it's FUN (except for that inbred clan at the helm).
it's because it's what they have in store FOR CHRISTIAN KIDS.
okay?

and here's a crumb for ya: IT AIN'T THE MOOSLIMS' agenda for our kids.
yawn.

do you as military recognize psyops when you see them?
or are you currently active?

just look how they've got us splitting hairs with statistics and junk - when this stuff shouldn't even be anywhere near the table, let alone up for DEBATE.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

So the latest and best polling results show an aggregated LGBT nationwide average of 3.5% (1). The estimated percentage of those that are homosexual rather than bisexual or transgendered is 1.7%.

What The Kringled One failed to grasp was the very reason they aren't pursuing an exact measurement for the 1.7% is exactly because of a political bias against doing so.

It doesn't benefit the cause of the homosexual agenda to find out the exact percentage of homosexuals from the "LGBT community" so they just lump them all together as if they were the same as a political tactic when they obviously are NOT the same and, in fact, are different in very important ways as I've been explaining.

And, that was the point "the author of the article in the opening post had" and was making.

(1) LGBT Percentage Highest in D.C., Lowest in North Dakota

 

[zone]

Hehe... all we have to hear is zone wiggling the wooden spoon drawer and we know to shape up. LOL.

Your Frankfurt School point is noted.

"The Census Bureau admitted Tuesday that it had “artificially inflated the number of same-sex couples in the United States, initially reporting a number that was about 40 percent higher than what it now believes is accurate. After it accounted for the “data capture errors,” the number of same-sex couples in the country was revised to 646,464 from 901,997. Thus, the Census Bureau had "artificially inflated" the number of same-sex couples by 255,533--or 39.5 percent. The Census Bureau said that the errors were not realized until it was too late to alter the 2010 forms."

Census Bureau Admits It 'Artifcially Inflated the Number of Same-Sex Couples' | CNS News

There is definitely a discrepancy here on the 2010 census.

"In August 2002*, Gallup asked Americans, in an open-ended format, to estimate the percentage of American men and the percentage of American women who are homosexual. The average estimates were that 21% of men are gay and 22% of women are lesbians. In fact, roughly a quarter of the public thinks more than 25% of men and 25% of women are homosexual." These numbers should be shocking to anyone who’s lived through the mainstream modern liberal media's and public education's pro-homosexual agenda saturation campaign over the past 20 years.

What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?

There is definitely a discrepancy here between what people believe and what's in the real world.

fer sure.
and Cui bono from all this confusion?

no, not Cher.

(i had bigger hair than her in 1979. i kid you not)

 

[zone]

There are three kinds of lies: lies, d***ed lies, and statistics
Mark Twain (or maybe Shania Twain)

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

On a side note, is anyone surprised that Washington DC has a 10% LGBT rate? The homosexual lobby is crawling over our seat of government right now and have found in Obama their champion. That doesn't come as a surprise to those who know of Obama's alleged "down low" past. Washington DC isn't quite yet the new Sodom but it appears to be well on its way.

 

[zone]

On a side note, is anyone surprised that Washington DC has a 10% LGBT rate? The homosexual lobby is crawling over our seat of government right now and have found in Obama their champion. That doesn't come as a surprise to those who know of Obama's alleged "down low" past. Washington DC isn't quite yet the new Sodom but it appears to be well on its way.

*sprays cranberry juice*

no doubt.

don't forget Karl Rove - Bush's brain.

we're in trouble.

 

[SarahM777]

On a side note, is anyone surprised that Washington DC has a 10% LGBT rate? The homosexual lobby is crawling over our seat of government right now and have found in Obama their champion. That doesn't come as a surprise to those who know of Obama's alleged "down low" past. Washington DC isn't quite yet the new Sodom but it appears to be well on its way.

It may be a two way race with San Francisco.

 

[JGPS]

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Ah, good explanation of what the problem is. In that case I see your point. Thx.

 

[Nautilus]

So does the percentage of a population determine their rights, especially when concerning consenting adults?

 

[JGPS]

So does the percentage of a population determine their rights, especially when concerning consenting adults?

In democracy it often does.

 

[Nautilus]

hilariously...we aren't a deomcracy. a true democracy cant work because then the minority always loses. hence why we are actually a republic...

 

[zone]

On a side note, is anyone surprised that Washington DC has a 10% LGBT rate? The homosexual lobby is crawling over our seat of government right now and have found in Obama their champion. That doesn't come as a surprise to those who know of Obama's alleged "down low" past. Washington DC isn't quite yet the new Sodom but it appears to be well on its way.

A LIST OF CHILD SEX OFFENDERS INSIDE THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT

Here is a FOI (Freedom Of Information) request about alleged peadophiles past and present with connections to the Halls of power today.

A LIST OF CHILD SEX OFFENDERS INSIDE THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT | Cuthulan's Blog < click

 

[zone]

[video=youtube;p4_Rwuw-R7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4_Rwuw-R7o[/video]

Press Admits Almost All Named In Huge Pedophile Ring In The UK Are Freemasons

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

No. But other factors do. For example, the rights of people who murder are impeded by the rule of law through incarceration. This is so they won't continue disenfranchising people from their right to life by murdering them. I begin with an extreme example because it's a clear example of how the "right" of an individual or a few to do something can be morally impeded to protect the rights of others.

A different example would be controlling the public education system, on behalf of 3.5% of the population, to impede the right of the greater population to impart God's morality which is expressed in scripture. This is a clear example of an immoral disenfranchisement of moral people who ascribe to God's morality that is currently occurring in real time right now in the U.S..

When you find yourself caring more for the right of the immoral to both engage in immorality and impede the teaching of God's morality, you've aligned yourself against God's morality as expressed in scripture.

Redirecting your concern toward the rights of Christians, to both engage in morality and pass morality along to the next generation would be scripturally appropriate.

A genuine Christian should not champion the "right" of the immoral to impede the rights of the moral.

So does the percentage of a population determine their rights