Beast with Two Horns Like a Lamb

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Therapon

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I almost forgot that we need to pray that we be open to what He says as well, so prayer for an open ear for yourself first then for others.
Little lady, you are wise beyond your years. I learned 50 years ago, if I was somehow in disagreement with my wife (a very rare event indeed), I would first ask the Lord to show me my error, rather than assuming the problem was with her. Was she right all the time, of course not, but on occasion I had some repenting to do.
 
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Therapon

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Therapon, I am not asking out of disagreement, but genuine curiosity. The beasts, wintesses, et. al. When were all fulfilled? What events, people, etc? Thanks.
Worry not, brother, I hear your spirit. It would take many posts of inordinate length to answer all that, which is why six of my books on the subject were published. My best suggestion is: go to ellisskolfield.com and under menu item "Books and Essays," download "Islam in the End Times." Either that or on the home page download the Bible prophecy Study Guide. Either should answer your questions and then some. If not, ask me again and I do my best to answer them here.
 
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Therapon

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If it can be proven so, I fail to see why you are having such oppositions.
Well, the devil hates the truth and will do anything he can to stop it from getting into the church. And if I didn't get a lot of opposition, I would wonder if I was teaching the truth. Sometimes it's just like Jesus said . . .

Luke 6:26 "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets."

The trick is to keep a humble and contrite heart and not take offense at the occasional rudeness, which unfortunately, I sometimes fail to do.
 
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Laodicea

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Well, the devil hates the truth and will do anything he can to stop it from getting into the church. And if I didn't get a lot of opposition, I would wonder if I was teaching the truth. Sometimes it's just like Jesus said . . .

Luke 6:26 "Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets."

The trick is to keep a humble and contrite heart and not take offense at the occasional rudeness, which unfortunately, I sometimes fail to do.
Error also gets opposition from the truth as can be seen in the Bible.
 
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Abiding

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Ive heard the same so many times from Christians with bad and rude behavior
say well i must be doing good because the devils attacking me all the time....its like huh?:rolleyes:
 
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Therapon

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Ive heard the same so many times from Christians with bad and rude behavior
say well i must be doing good because the devils attacking me all the time....its like huh?:rolleyes:
Of course, but you could also be wrong. <grin>
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ive heard the same so many times from Christians with bad and rude behavior
say well i must be doing good because the devils attacking me all the time....its like huh?:rolleyes:
yeah its prety bad we do not look inside and say maybe I am wrong
 

zone

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real simple:

ellis' 70th week had to be another magically expanding week (truth > 70th fulfilled right after the 69th), but since he has to pretend talmudic judaism and those who adhere to it are God's Covenant people, he has to find some gentiles trampling around in jerusalem that now is.

the bad guy has to be islam and muslims

the abomination of desolation has to be the dome of the rock.

unbelieving jews get a pass (and money guns and horses).

all rubbish.
all false doctrine.
 
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Error also gets opposition from the truth as can be seen in the Bible.
Even the Scribes and Pharisees didn't recognize the truth because they were to blinded by their man made doctrine. For what they thought was the truth was in fact error because they believed their traditional teachings.
They did what many of you are doing, rejecting the message and condemning the messenger because your traditional teachings are more important than the truth.

1Christianwarrior316
 

shrimp

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I'm not saying that either of them are right or wrong. I am saying that all of this bickering and fighting is getting you nowhere. I am very interested in what all parties have to say so that I can go and research deeper and instead of taking your word for it, make sure to have God tell me what is truth.
 

shrimp

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But that's probably just me and everyone else would probably rather argue.
 
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Therapon

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But that's probably just me and everyone else would probably rather argue.
Not me. After a while I'm pretty much off these threads, want to guess why? I start lots of threads to share some Bible truth and then watch in utter disbelief as Satan destroys their message through discord and doctrinal turf wars.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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But that's probably just me and everyone else would probably rather argue.
no that is the way it should be, I wish it was that way. but it seams when someone says something counter, everyone has to take offense and not just discuss it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Not me. After a while I'm pretty much off these threads, want to guess why? I start lots of threads to share some Bible truth and then watch in utter disbelief as Satan destroys their message through discord and doctrinal turf wars.
I rest my case. he comes in and starts what he thinks to be truth. some people disagree with him and try to explain why. and instead of discussing, he gets angry and says if we do not listen to him we are wrong.. even goes as far as ignoring people. (like he did me) rolls eyes!
 

zone

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Not me. After a while I'm pretty much off these threads, want to guess why? I start lots of threads to share some Bible truth and then watch in utter disbelief as Satan destroys their message through discord and doctrinal turf wars.
no Therapon.
you're getting resistance because your foundation is faulty.
One Covenant, not Two.
One People, not Two.

no belief in the Son (the Actual Literal Person of Jesus Christ) no belief in the Father.
no Father, no Son.
no Son, no Life.

this message is 2000 years old, and nobody got any blinding for their salvation.
i don't care how many books you sell.
your message doesn't match this one:


Acts 4
5On the next day their rulers and elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, 6with Annas the high priest and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of the high-priestly family. 7And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, “By what power or by what name did you do this?” 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, 9if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, 10let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well.11This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone 12And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."


let it be known to all of you
and to all the people of Israel
Jesus Christ of Nazareth
crucified
whom God raised from the dead
there is salvation in no one else
there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved



nope - no 2000-year-70th-week-magic-gap-merciful-blinding-of-Old-Testament-Wine-Skins there.
a hard message about THE ONLY NAME.

when you start teaching THIS message and getting resistance from Dual-Covenant-Dispensationalist-Christian-Zionists, then you can say:

I start lots of threads to share some Bible truth and then watch in utter disbelief as Satan destroys their message through discord and doctrinal turf wars.
 
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tribesman

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...you're getting resistance because your foundation is faulty.


Bunny Boy: Everybody's just thinking about themselves, it's only me who think about myself.

Doggy: What goes around comes around?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the second beast is the apostate church...and the same as the 'false prophet'...and also babylon the harlot who appears later on...

the second beast has two horns like a lamb...in other words it has small characteristics that make it appear to be christlike... but it also speaks like a dragon...the dragon is satan...so this entity that appears at a cursory glance to be christian is actually preaching the words of satan...

so it is a church that pretends to be christian but is actually satanic...
 

zone

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Zechariah 13:2
“And on that day, declares the LORD of hosts, I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, so that they shall be remembered no more. And also I will remove from the land the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness.


Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament

The house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem represent the whole nation here, as in Zechariah 12:10. This cleansing will be following by a new life in fellowship with God, since the Lord will remove everything that could hinder sanctification. This renewal of life and sanctification is described in Zechariah 12:2-7. Zechariah 12:2. "And it will come to pass in that day, is the saying of Jehovah of hosts, I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, they shall be remembered no more; and the prophets also and the spirit of uncleanness will I remove out of the land. Zechariah 12:3. And it will come to pass, if a man prophesies any more, his father and his mother, they that begat him, will say to him, Thou must not live, for thou hast spoken deceit in the name of Jehovah: and his father and his mother, they that begat him, will pierce him through because of his prophesying. Zechariah 12:4. And it will come to pass on that day, the prophets will be ashamed every one of his vision, at his prophesying, and will no more put on a hairy mantle to lie. Zechariah 12:5. And he will say, I am no prophet, I am a man who cultivates the land; for a man bought me from my youth. Zechariah 12:6. And if they shall say to him, What scars are these between thy hands? he will say, These were inflicted upon me in the house of my loves."

The new life in righteousness and holiness before God is depicted in an individualizing form as the extermination of idols and false prophets out of the holy land, because idolatry and false prophecy were the two principal forms in which ungodliness manifested itself in Israel. The allusion to idols and false prophets by no means points to the times before the captivity; for even of gross idolatry, and therefore false prophecy, did not spread any more among the Jews after the captivity, such passages as Nehemiah 6:10, where lying prophets rise up, and even priests contract marriages with Canaanitish and other heathen wives, from whom children sprang who could not even speak the Jewish language (Ezra 9:2 ff.; Nehemiah 13:23), show very clearly that the danger of falling back into gross idolatry was not a very remote one.

Moreover, the more refined idolatry of pharisaic self-righteousness and work-holiness took the place of the grosser idolatry, and the prophets generally depict the future under the forms of the past. The cutting off of the names of the idols denotes utter destruction (cf. Hosea 2:19). The prophets are false prophets, who either uttered the thoughts of their hearts as divine inspiration, or stood under the demoniacal influence of the spirit of darkness.

This is evident from the fact that they are associated not only with idols, but with the "spirit of uncleanness." For this, the opposite of the spirit of grace (Zechariah 12:10), is the evil spirit which culminates in Satan, and works in the false prophets as a lying spirit (1 Kings 22:21-23; Revelation 16:13-14).