Can Someone Explain Rev. 12:1-6 to Me?

[AgeofKnowledge]

Jesus taught on Old Testament scripture providing commentary and the apostles taught on both the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus and published their commentary into books which were combined into a canon we call the Bible. Furthermore, every church father published commentary on the Bible and most of the great minds in Christendom have done likewise throughout the centuries right up through today.

The gift of teaching involves the analysis and proclamation of the Word of God, explaining the meaning, context and application to the hearer’s life. Those with the gift of teaching often publish commentary on scripture and have since the apostolic church of the first century.

As long as therapon isn't engaging in heresy regarding the essentials of Christianity (e.g. the deity of Christ, salvation by grace, the resurrection of Christ, the gospel, and monotheism), I'm not sure where peterT is coming from with his campaign of ad hominem and fallacious appeal to infantilism.

The books I have been led to write always brings glory to the Lord Jesus, that is their central theme.

They are either of God or of the devil, but since you read nothing but the Bible, how can you know which?

 

[Abiding]

How did u do that?

 

[Tintin]

Right, he may be a bit too forward with self-promoting his book, but I had a good laugh at his comments.

 

[cfultz3]

I wouldnt know if you were inspired or not. As you know you can find 5 books on the same
topic all different and all were "led" to write their books. They say.

But! if you bring Glory to the Lord and make Him the focus as who He is. Then im be cool with that.

Good advice Mr. Therapon. Something we all can agree on, Jesus.

 

[Therapon]

Are you kidden? The majority of this country is going along with zionism with Islam as the badguys
listen to them yell "nuke em" where have you been? And what is the fight? What do you suggest they do? Sidelines? Explain what you mean please.

Well, we have to look at the situation, not from our perspective, but from the Lord's . . .

Jesus Made Believers the Spiritual Kings and Priests of the Christian Era!

Matthew 16:19 “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

When the Coptic church in the Middle East fell into idolatry, Islam appeared!

Matthew 16:19 “whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Only 3% of Europeans still cling to the faith, so 60,000,000 Muslims are now there, with over 1,000,000 Muslims in London alone!

Matthew 16:19 “whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Only an estimated 5% of Americans are truly born again so about nine million Muslims are in this country and more are on the way! The demographic numbers indicate that Islam will control most western governments by 2050.

So whose fault is it? Jesus either actually made us the kings or priests of the Christian era or he didn’t, so I ask you: did He or not, true or false? But the western churches have become a gaggle of social clubs, at the sight of which the martyrs of the Middle Ages would gag. We have forgotten how to teach the unvarnished Gospel or bind the enemy through prayer.

As a result, Islam is our fault!

 

[Therapon]

I wouldnt know if you were inspired or not. As you know you can find 5 books on the same
topic all different and all were "led" to write their books. But! if you bring Glory to the Lord and make Him the focus as who He is. Then im be cool with that.

I wasn't claiming divine inspiration, brother, LOL If my senile brain remembers correctly, the canon was closed by 300 A.D.

 

[Therapon]

Right, he may be a bit too forward with self-promoting his book, but I had a good laugh at his comments.

I'm actually not trying tro promote anything, brother, the books are FREE. Just trying to get the brethren to understand the true danger of Islam from a biblical perspective, and get them more aware of how really close we are to the rerurn of the Lord, but I've never in my 85 years, met more close-minded people than I have right here.

 

[Abiding]

Well, we have to look at the situation, not from our perspective, but from the Lord's . . .

Jesus Made Believers the Spiritual Kings and Priests of the Christian Era!

Matthew 16:19 “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

When the Coptic church in the Middle East fell into idolatry, Islam appeared!

Matthew 16:19 “whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Only 3% of Europeans still cling to the faith, so 60,000,000 Muslims are now there, with over 1,000,000 Muslims in London alone!

Matthew 16:19 “whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Only an estimated 5% of Americans are truly born again so about nine million Muslims are in this country and more are on the way! The demographic numbers indicate that Islam will control most western governments by 2050.

So whose fault is it? Jesus either actually made us the kings or priests of the Christian era or he didn’t, so I ask you: did He or not, true or false? But the western churches have become a gaggle of social clubs, at the sight of which the martyrs of the Middle Ages would gag. We have forgotten how to teach the unvarnished Gospel or bind the enemy through prayer.

As a result, Islam is our fault!

Those verses you used were to the Apostles only and they finished that work. So i wont go there at all.

Yes when the salt has lost its savor its no good but to be street use, and we are there.
And a vacuum cant exist long. I agree. But dont agree with the rest of your take on things.
Because although surely Islam is playing a big part in things i dont think they are a major threat
or will ever run the world. They are controlled by a bigger power. And badder dudes.

 

[Abiding]

I wasn't claiming divine inspiration, brother, LOL If my senile brain remembers correctly, the canon was closed by 300 A.D.

No i wasnt saying that. You live by faith like all of us. I understood what you meant.

 

[peterT]

O my God, I didn’t realise that it was such a sin to just read the Bible, and keep away from the wide gate, and just try to stick to the narrow gate and encourage folk to do the same, seeing that most Christians haven’t even read the Bible yet.

Are you boys up in arms because I preach Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing ?

Are you boys up in arms because I preach try to stick to the bible for few there be that find the gate to salvation and most Christians haven’t even read the Bible yet.

Or are you boys up in arms because am preaching false prophets come through reading books and some of you are book writers, and avid book readers?

Are you a bit worried that it could endanger your sales, or your glory or your notoriety ?

Or are you just up in arms because am preaching a narrow gate and a bit too narrow for you?

Or are you boys up in arms because am thinking you are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing?

Luke 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

Matthew Chapter 7 : 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: forwide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and manythere be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, whichleadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep'sclothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 

[Tintin]

Therapon, no worries. Yes, it's disgusting how Muslim people are persecuting (torturing, killing etc. Christians) in other parts of the world, and it's not just extremists. It's a violent religion. I know some peaceful Muslims but I still don't want their laws to be given any air-time, as could be the case in Australia, if we're not careful.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The final stages of the church closing of the NT canon came in the early part of the fourth century during the empire-wide Diocletian persecutions in the years 303–313 though most Christians had been in agreement on the major writings since the middle of the third century. Before the end of the fourth century, the councils and St. Augustine accepted it.

But it's important to note that the Canon was actually closed when the last book intended for it was completed .

I wasn't claiming divine inspiration, brother, LOL If my senile brain remembers correctly, the canon was closed by 300 A.D.

 

[peterT]

. Just trying to get the brethren to understand the true danger of Islam .

That’s the same doctrine at the right-wing nation loving political movement of the unbelievers the gentiles.

You’re worried about the danger of Islam and you think it’s going to deceive the whole world, but it can’t even deceive the countries it’s in. look closer to home bro, big brother is watching

 

[Abiding]

Therapon, no worries. Yes, it's disgusting how Muslim people are persecuting (torturing, killing etc. Christians) in other parts of the world, and it's not just extremists. It's a violent religion. I know some peaceful Muslims but I still don't want their laws to be given any air-time, as could be the case in Australia, if we're not careful.

Very small amount of muslims killing christians compared to other groups historically
And if you consider their population i think it was 1.5 billion ive forgotten its not that much.
Especially when you look whose behind them when its in a minor war. And why.

 

[Abiding]

If you look at the body count of christians in the gulf war it would shock you.
And no it wasnt muslims that killed them.

 

[Tintin]

Abiding, this isn't even related to war, these are every day experiences for these people (Christian families and individuals being shot, burned alive, beaten to a pulp, raped etc.). My family and I read the Barnabas Fund devotionals regularly and the majority of violent persecution is from Muslims. It's horrifying!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

peterT: O my God, I didn’t realise that it was such a sin to just read the Bible.

> It's not a sin to read your Bible. It's a sin to verbally abuse those whom God has imparted the gift of teaching for exercising their gift in the form of publication.

peterT: Are you boys up in arms because I preach Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing?

> No. It's Biblical to do that if the occasion warrants it. You realize that you're not an apostle nor hold a position in church leadership though right? Typically, one would follow the New Testament model in dealing with such things rather than display the unilateral condemning behavior you have so far. Also, your definition of what a prophet and a false prophet are in the New Testament/New Covenant, as opposed to the Old Testament and Old Covenant, appear to be sorely lacking from the very brief look at some of your posts on the topic I've seen.

peterT: Are you boys up in arms because I preach try to stick to the bible for few there be that find the gate to salvation and most Christians haven’t even read the Bible yet.

> No. We have a problem with you getting in the way of people finding the gate to salvation by sniping your brothers in Christ when they engage in teaching and evangelism simply because some of their epistemology and conclusions disagree with your own interpretation.

peterT: Are you a bit worried that it could endanger your sales, or your glory or your notoriety?

> You might want to worry about the judgement you could be incurring onto yourself in degrading your fellow Christians. It's easy to engage in slander, libel, and ad hominem but it's much harder to explain why you chose to engage in that behavior when you're standing in front of Jesus Christ on judgment day.

peterT: Or are you boys up in arms because am thinking you are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing?

> I doubt that you really understand what Jesus was saying in Matthew 7. He was not saying that you can set yourself up as the final authority on scripture and from that position degrade and verbally abuse everyone that disagrees with your own point of view and opinions. However narrow it actually is, you want to make sure that you're not making it narrower so as to block out people just because they disagree with you especially if you're wrong because then you're a stumbling block and Jesus had a lot to say about those who set themselves up as stumbling blocks.

We can talk about this more if you like but it's very late here so I'm going to get some sleep. Peace.

 

[Abiding]

Abiding, this isn't even related to war, these are every day experiences for these people (Christian families and individuals being shot, burned alive, beaten to a pulp, raped etc.). My family and I read the Barnabas Fund devotionals regularly and the majority of violent persecution is from Muslims. It's horrifying!

I wasnt saying their not what im saying is that they have never been the leading persecuters
Many other places has killed more christians then in the middle east and North Africa.
North Korea is still the king for over ten years.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I'm scratching my head here. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying Abiding. You're aware that the Muslims murdered enormous numbers of people during their expansionary periods right up through the 16th century right and to a lesser extent right up through this morning?

Read the book 'Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India' as but one example of the sheer numbers of people they murdered just on the Indian subcontinent. Between 1000 AD and 1500 AD, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million simply due to Muslim genocide of Hindus. Even those Hindus who converted to Islam were not immune from persecution and Muslim persecution there continues today.

Muslim genocides of non-Muslims are well documented. 1 million to 1.5 million Christian Armenians were murdered just trying to leave Ottoman Turkey by Muslims who simply rode out and hunted them with great relish. That happened just last century (e.g. the 20th century).

All over the world, just since WWI, genocide has occurred by Muslims with Christians being the victims. It's documented in Iraq, the Ivory Coast of Africa, Mali, Nigeria, Syria, Indonesia, Kenya, Egypt, etc...

Well... I'm tired so night.

Very small amount of muslims killing christians compared to other groups historically
And if you consider their population i think it was 1.5 billion ive forgotten its not that much.
Especially when you look whose behind them when its in a minor war. And why.

 

[Therapon]

Those verses you used were to the Apostles only and they finished that work. So i wont go there at all.

Yes when the salt has lost its savor its no good but to be street use, and we are there. And a vacuum cant exist long. I agree. But dont agree with the rest of your take on things.Because although surely Islam is playing a big part in things i dont think they are a major threat or will ever run the world.

1. All the signs and wonders performed by the apostles in the Gospels and Acts have at one time or another been performed by ordinary brethren throughout the Christian era, so it is an assumption to state that the binding of the enemy of Matthew 16:19 is not included.

2. To say that Islam is not a threat is to deny, not only history, but current events. Everywhere in the world, Christians are being murdered by Muslims. Over the last couple of years, over 2 million Christians and animists in Darfur and the Sudan were murdered by Muslims, many thousands in Nigeria and in other parts of sub-Saharan Africa. Because that level of violence hasn’t happened here yet is just the grace of God, but it’s coming. We have a Moslem president who has just appointed a Muslim as head of the CIA. Senior posts in Homeland Security are filled by Muslims, and that’s a laugh laugh, the foxes
guarding the henhouse, indeed. Some of our courts are even adjudicating by sharia law. Christians in Dearborn Michigan now bemoan the loss of their city to Islam. Two Christians in New Jersey were just beheaded by Muslims. I could go on and on but that should be enough.