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Re: You have nothing...
Is it incumbent on every minister to plainly and clearly spell out from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief unto salvation and the consequences of getting it wrong?.
Would you like to answer the above Bowman?
Do you have a theological opinion on it?
Can you do an exegesis of it?
Is it incumbent on every minister to plainly and clearly spell out from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief unto salvation and the consequences of getting it wrong?.
Would you like to answer the above Bowman?
Do you have a theological opinion on it?
Can you do an exegesis of it?
J
Re: You have nothing...
Most of the time I'm not into people-pleasing.
A minister is to preach the Gospel, and speak against that which is not. Not every single sermon preached has to be John 3:16. Surely, even you recognize it is okay to preach about marriage once and awhile.
I had the time. It's friday.
Most of the time I'm not into people-pleasing.
A minister is to preach the Gospel, and speak against that which is not. Not every single sermon preached has to be John 3:16. Surely, even you recognize it is okay to preach about marriage once and awhile.
I had the time. It's friday.
Re: You have nothing...
Which trinitarians are we talking about?
Dats rite.
Presumptous. Come to Cape, I double dog dare ya'.
My pastor does. The other pastors I listen to (internet, radio, etc) do. Be careful how you lump people.
Some day.[/QUOTE
Pretty lame response. But if you believe some pastors do actuially preach it
Will you roundly condemn as unfit to preach any minister who will not stand in the pulpit and plainly state that if a person believes Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself such a belief means a person cannot be saved and therefore will to to hell with that belief?
I can only assume you believe it is incumbent on any minister to plainly preach from the pulpit what is and wehat is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvattion
Now will you plainly answer that?
My guess is not
Dats rite.
Presumptous. Come to Cape, I double dog dare ya'.
My pastor does. The other pastors I listen to (internet, radio, etc) do. Be careful how you lump people.
Some day.[/QUOTE
Pretty lame response. But if you believe some pastors do actuially preach it
Will you roundly condemn as unfit to preach any minister who will not stand in the pulpit and plainly state that if a person believes Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself such a belief means a person cannot be saved and therefore will to to hell with that belief?
I can only assume you believe it is incumbent on any minister to plainly preach from the pulpit what is and wehat is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvattion
Now will you plainly answer that?
My guess is not
J
Re: You have nothing...
What can I say? I'm a pretty lame guy. Spirit gives birth to spirit, flesh to flesh, lame to lame.
But if you believe some pastors do actuially preach it
I beg to differ on "cannot be saved." That's a work of God. Doesn't matter how "Far gone" you are, God is just a wee bit omnipotent y'know.
That being said, if you preach Jesus is not God, you preach another "Jesus." It is not I who condemns. Don't shoot the messenger.
It's not a matter of "acceptable" belief. "Faith" in a non-God "Jesus" isn't even legitimate faith. It's idolatry.
Have I not plainly answered? I have repeatedly said he who knows not... and explained that Jesus is God, and if you reject him as such you know not him nor his Father.
Suit yourself.
What can I say? I'm a pretty lame guy. Spirit gives birth to spirit, flesh to flesh, lame to lame.
But if you believe some pastors do actuially preach it
I beg to differ on "cannot be saved." That's a work of God. Doesn't matter how "Far gone" you are, God is just a wee bit omnipotent y'know.
That being said, if you preach Jesus is not God, you preach another "Jesus." It is not I who condemns. Don't shoot the messenger.
It's not a matter of "acceptable" belief. "Faith" in a non-God "Jesus" isn't even legitimate faith. It's idolatry.
Have I not plainly answered? I have repeatedly said he who knows not... and explained that Jesus is God, and if you reject him as such you know not him nor his Father.
Suit yourself.
Re: You have nothing...
I really don't know why you bothered to come back on to this deabte and let yourself down with the answers you have given Jimmy.
I can only repeat. The more mature Christians generally do not get invoolved in these kinds of debates, demanding extra biblical beliefs unto salvation.
But I guess you have the weird belief many others do
But if you can give me one plain verse of scripture from the entire bible that states a person must believe Christ is God Himself unto salvation, I will believe you
I can give you plain scripture that states only the Father is the one true God
We sure do have a weird Bible if you people are right
Not one verse of scripture in it that states who you must believe Christ to be to inherit eternal life
I really don't know why you bothered to come back on to this deabte and let yourself down with the answers you have given Jimmy.
I can only repeat. The more mature Christians generally do not get invoolved in these kinds of debates, demanding extra biblical beliefs unto salvation.
But I guess you have the weird belief many others do
But if you can give me one plain verse of scripture from the entire bible that states a person must believe Christ is God Himself unto salvation, I will believe you
I can give you plain scripture that states only the Father is the one true God
We sure do have a weird Bible if you people are right
Not one verse of scripture in it that states who you must believe Christ to be to inherit eternal life
Re: You have nothing...
Wow, so if I accept the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth I am committing idolatory and cannnot know him or his father
The internet sure does bring up some weird beliefs
But then as you can only fudge if all ministers must preach your above comment from the pulpit, despite the obvious gravity to you of not believing it I am afraid it carries little weight with me
Wow, so if I accept the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth I am committing idolatory and cannnot know him or his father
The internet sure does bring up some weird beliefs
But then as you can only fudge if all ministers must preach your above comment from the pulpit, despite the obvious gravity to you of not believing it I am afraid it carries little weight with me
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J
Re: You have nothing...
Wretches gonna wretch?
I know.
Mature according to who?
If you don't like what scripture says, fine, try out the sand. Don't be dissin' the rock for being a rock though.
That ain't the only one. I have a lot of beliefs man sees as wierd. Dead men rising, lepers healed, a talkin' donkey, 40 days and 40 nights, 6k years, etc etc... I'm a pretty wonky guy to the world. I don't mind if you join them on that matter. Be my guest.
I have. Where have you been?
Nope. Only God works faith.
Lemmeguess. Isaiah 9:6?
According to the world, yes. Care to join us in believing it?
Glad to know what you think.
Wretches gonna wretch?
I know.
Mature according to who?
If you don't like what scripture says, fine, try out the sand. Don't be dissin' the rock for being a rock though.
That ain't the only one. I have a lot of beliefs man sees as wierd. Dead men rising, lepers healed, a talkin' donkey, 40 days and 40 nights, 6k years, etc etc... I'm a pretty wonky guy to the world. I don't mind if you join them on that matter. Be my guest.
I have. Where have you been?
Nope. Only God works faith.
Lemmeguess. Isaiah 9:6?
According to the world, yes. Care to join us in believing it?
Glad to know what you think.
J
I think it's more confusing to claim Christ is the one true God
Gracebeuntoyou has correctly stated no one has ever seen the Father
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.John1:18
No man hath seen God at anytime
1John4:12
So what John is actually stating is , no one has seen the Father at anytime, and no one has seen God at anytime.
Christ confirms no one has seen the Father
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of GOD, he hath seen the Father
John 6:46
So John and Christ agree, no one has seen the Father, and John tells us twice, no one has seen God, could they be speaking of the same person?
Now this is eternal life, that they may know you(the Father) the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ wehom you have sent
John 17:3
More confirmation!!"
ThE Apostle Paul too:
nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), [SUP]6 [/SUP]yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1Cor8:5&6
Of course, Hopespring has John 8:24 which she believes is Christ telling people they must believe he is God(the one true God) in order to inherit eternal life. So I guess Paul, Christ Himself, and John lied.
But of course, I know that for a scholar or theologian, using strongs concordnce, or the Grenville Sharp rule(is that right) and a host of other sources, it shouldn't be too hard to make those verses I put up mean something other than what they state
I repeat Hopespring, for you and others, this subject is perfect. You have no plain scripture(as any honesty trinitarian will admit) that states Christ is the one true God, yet I do have plain scripture that says he is not, so that means the little grey cells must come into play, the tjheological mind can go to work, which is what many excel in on websites like these
The result?
People are condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age?...........
Gracebeuntoyou has correctly stated no one has ever seen the Father
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.John1:18
No man hath seen God at anytime
1John4:12
So what John is actually stating is , no one has seen the Father at anytime, and no one has seen God at anytime.
Christ confirms no one has seen the Father
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of GOD, he hath seen the Father
John 6:46
So John and Christ agree, no one has seen the Father, and John tells us twice, no one has seen God, could they be speaking of the same person?
Now this is eternal life, that they may know you(the Father) the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ wehom you have sent
John 17:3
More confirmation!!"
ThE Apostle Paul too:
nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), [SUP]6 [/SUP]yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
1Cor8:5&6
Of course, Hopespring has John 8:24 which she believes is Christ telling people they must believe he is God(the one true God) in order to inherit eternal life. So I guess Paul, Christ Himself, and John lied.
But of course, I know that for a scholar or theologian, using strongs concordnce, or the Grenville Sharp rule(is that right
) and a host of other sources, it shouldn't be too hard to make those verses I put up mean something other than what they stateI repeat Hopespring, for you and others, this subject is perfect. You have no plain scripture(as any honesty trinitarian will admit) that states Christ is the one true God, yet I do have plain scripture that says he is not, so that means the little grey cells must come into play, the tjheological mind can go to work, which is what many excel in on websites like these
The result?
People are condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age?...........
I'm mainly responding to your words that communicate that you do not know Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God. If you want to know the real Truth, then.......
So maybe we should take a baby step and agree yes or no concerning who the two men were?
Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
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Re: You have nothing...
I took my grey matter enhancement pill and thought it over and this is what i came up with.
In all the churches ive been in and all the christians ive known declared Jesus was the Son of God
"And" God.
The second thing that came to me was that the only place iver heard otherwise was people
who come to internet sites preaching anything different. And that i never see them on the street corners
preaching that Personally i think they are speaking from their white matter.
I took my grey matter enhancement pill and thought it over and this is what i came up with.
In all the churches ive been in and all the christians ive known declared Jesus was the Son of God
"And" God.
The second thing that came to me was that the only place iver heard otherwise was people
who come to internet sites preaching anything different. And that i never see them on the street corners
preaching that
Personally i think they are speaking from their white matter.And you are ignoring all of the plain scripture placed before you
Christ said the Father is the one true God.
Your exegesis which simply aims to overturn the plain scriptrures means absolutely nothing to me.
I repeat
Neither Christ, Paul Peter, James, John, commanded anyone to believe Christ was God Himself. Nearly all the Trinitarian ministers from the pulpits and well over 90% of their congregations do not/would not insist on it either, but would be scholars and theologians obn the internet who are wise in their own eyes do. But they do not understand the spiritual reality
So many, as a Trinitarian minister on another website said
Come onto the internet who think they know
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.
1Cor3:19-21
Christ said the Father is the one true God.
Your exegesis which simply aims to overturn the plain scriptrures means absolutely nothing to me.
I repeat
Neither Christ, Paul Peter, James, John, commanded anyone to believe Christ was God Himself. Nearly all the Trinitarian ministers from the pulpits and well over 90% of their congregations do not/would not insist on it either, but would be scholars and theologians obn the internet who are wise in their own eyes do. But they do not understand the spiritual reality
So many, as a Trinitarian minister on another website said
Come onto the internet who think they know
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.
1Cor3:19-21