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Re: Wake up...
Like I said to you earlier Bowman, lets have a level playing field
Giive me one plain verse of scripture from anywhere in the Bible that palinly states Christ is the one true God. Not your faulty exegesis
When you can do that, we'll have a discussion. I have already plainly showed you what is ACTUALLY WRITTEN
Then when you provide a verse, I'll give you another one
Hopefully if you research one of your experts they may be able to help you
Like I said to you earlier Bowman, lets have a level playing field
Giive me one plain verse of scripture from anywhere in the Bible that palinly states Christ is the one true God. Not your faulty exegesis
When you can do that, we'll have a discussion. I have already plainly showed you what is ACTUALLY WRITTEN
Then when you provide a verse, I'll give you another one
Hopefully if you research one of your experts they may be able to help you
Re: Wake up...
If you are going to continue with your heresy Mark, then I don't feel I can leave it.
What you don't seem to have grasped is that Jesus was speaking from two perspectives, one of which was as a man because man had to die for our sins and Jesus died for all our sins. When Jesus taught us to pray he was teaching us from a human perspective and God was His Father both physically and spiritually, while at other times as God he forgave sins and healed people. Jesus is both man and God.
You are focusing on his humanity and excluding his divinity.
Now the Bible tells us Jesus is God Immanuel and it is not up to us to disregard scripture or interpret it in ways to suit our own man-made theology because that is heresy.
I will remain quiet if you will, but it is wrong to bring God's word into disrepute.
If you are going to continue with your heresy Mark, then I don't feel I can leave it.
What you don't seem to have grasped is that Jesus was speaking from two perspectives, one of which was as a man because man had to die for our sins and Jesus died for all our sins. When Jesus taught us to pray he was teaching us from a human perspective and God was His Father both physically and spiritually, while at other times as God he forgave sins and healed people. Jesus is both man and God.
You are focusing on his humanity and excluding his divinity.
Now the Bible tells us Jesus is God Immanuel and it is not up to us to disregard scripture or interpret it in ways to suit our own man-made theology because that is heresy.
I will remain quiet if you will, but it is wrong to bring God's word into disrepute.
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Run from it...
οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει και δεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τω υιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος
oidamen de hoti ho huios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinon kai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinos theos kai zōē aiōnios
And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)
οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει και δεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τω υιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος
oidamen de hoti ho huios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinon kai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinos theos kai zōē aiōnios
And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)
Re: Run from it...
Sorry Bowman, that does not plainly state Christ is the one true God, as every Trinitarian minister who has discussed this subject with me has admitted, they freely admit
There is not one verse of scripture in the bible that plainly states Christ is the one true God. You need to rethink your view of that verse
Anyway, John told us no one has seen God at anytime, yet he lived with Christ for three years on earth
Sorry Bowman, that does not plainly state Christ is the one true God, as every Trinitarian minister who has discussed this subject with me has admitted, they freely admit
There is not one verse of scripture in the bible that plainly states Christ is the one true God. You need to rethink your view of that verse
Anyway, John told us no one has seen God at anytime, yet he lived with Christ for three years on earth
Go on then
Firstly remeber, John has already qiuoted Christ as saying only bthe Father is the one true God
John has also told us, no one has seen God at anytime
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true.(the Father) And we are in him who is true(the Father)—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Now don't tell me Bowman, let me guess, John contradicted himself in his books, so the above quote that certainly does not say Christ is God HIMSELF, in fact says he is
You'll have to try harder than this, can your experts not help you out?
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Re: Run from it...
So, I guess next you are going to tell me that Jesus, who we know as the Lord, as the Life, as the King, as the Judge can be understood from Jer 10:10 as being the true God?
Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
So, I guess next you are going to tell me that Jesus, who we know as the Lord, as the Life, as the King, as the Judge can be understood from Jer 10:10 as being the true God?
Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.