The Trinity

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Does that include Christ AND Paul too?

For Christ said only the Father was the one true GOD

And Paul said:

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Jesus spoke as both man and God.

Paul is saying all things came from God:
Paul is saying all things came from Jesus.

Jesus and God are the same.
 
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Well could you tell me something Bowman?
Will you give me a forthright reply?

As you know, neither Christ Paul, Peter, James or John plainly commanded anyone to believe Christ was the one true God to inherit eternal life
As to you this a core requirement for a person to be a Christian
Did they not plainly teach this in their letters because they did not know as much spiritual truth as you and others do today?
Or did they woefully fail their readers by not plainly and clearly informing them as to the belief salvation hinged on as to who they must believe Christ to be?
 
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Paul is saying all things came from God:
Paul is saying all things came from Jesus
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Jesus and God are the same.
No, this is what Paul said PS:

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
 
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cfultz3

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Now, wait a minute. Since He created all things and uphold all things by HIS OWN POWER, I bet you are going to say that He is the Creator next?
 
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I'm not a Trinitarian. Even I as a human can be a TV engineer, father and teacher and still be One.
That's not the Trinity.

Your example still has YOU being each....father...teacher...engineer.

In the Trinity, the Father is NOT the Son is NOT the Spirit...but each is the ONE God.

See the difference?
 
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Well could you tell me something Bowman?
Will you give me a forthright reply?

As you know, neither Christ Paul, Peter, James or John plainly commanded anyone to believe Christ was the one true God to inherit eternal life
As to you this a core requirement for a person to be a Christian
Did they not plainly teach this in their letters because they did not know as much spiritual truth as you and others do today?
Or did they woefully fail their readers by not plainly and clearly informing them as to the belief salvation hinged on as to who they must believe Christ to be?
We have shown you otherwise.
 
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Now, wait a minute. Since He created all things and uphold all things by HIS OWN POWER, I bet you are going to say that He is the Creator next?
Yup..that is what straight logic would tell us.....but, then again, when do Unitarians ever use logic?

:)
 

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No, this is what Paul said PS:

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Yes, there is ONE God who is Father and Lord.

All things come from the Father and all things come from the Lord Jesus Christ. They are one and the same.
 
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Yes, there is ONE God who is Father and Lord.

All things come from the Father and all things come from the Lord Jesus Christ. They are one and the same.
But that is not what Paul said PS

He said we have one God, the Father, and one LORD Jesus Christ
 
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We have shown you otherwise.
So Bowman, please give me one plain verse of scripture from the entire new Testament where it is stated a person must believe Christ is the one true God to inherit eternal life

If as you say it is written plainly and clearly and you have shown me this, please produce the scripture
Thanks
 
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cfultz3

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Yup..that is what straight logic would tell us.:)
WOW!!! This is mind boggling. Jesus who is known as Lord, as Savior, the one who receives worship, and is the Creator is also the true (real) God. So that is why we are to worship Him, because only the true God is to be worshiped. I am glad Jesus gave us an understanding as to who He is, otherwise we would be thinking that God created another god to be worshiped.
 

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That's not the Trinity.

Your example still has YOU being each....father...teacher...engineer.

In the Trinity, the Father is NOT the Son is NOT the Spirit...but each is the ONE God.

See the difference?
I see the difference but I do not agree with you.

Three legs make one stool.

Three divine attributes make one God
 

PS

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But that is not what Paul said PS

He said we have one God, the Father, and one LORD Jesus Christ
I have three names but am one person.
 
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I have three names but am one person.
Unbelieveable.

So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell
 
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I have three names but am one person.
and three identities: me, myself, and I.
yet three more: flesh, soul, spirit.

And still yet,

there are three in the Godhead: the Father, the Word, the Spirit.
they are the three witnesses in Heaven.

Who is able to bear record in Heaven except He be God?
 
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lol
More fallible exegesis with no plain scripture to back it up

Yet Christ states only the Father is the one true God
And Paul states we only have one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ
And John states. No-one has seen God at anytime
 

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Unbelieveable.

So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.

He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.

A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.
 
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Originally Posted by mark54
Unbelieveable.

So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)



Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.

He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.

A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)


You know PS, you are in bad trouble, you need to get yourself sorted out
 
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