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So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
You know PS, you are in bad trouble, you need to get yourself sorted out
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing
Re: Run from it...
Jude 1:4
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
monos: alone
STRONGS NT 3441: μόνος
μόνος, μόνη, μόνον, the Sept. chiefly for לְבַד (from Homer down);
1. an adjective, alone (without a companion);
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Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him Get thee behind me Satan for it is written Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
proskuneó: to do reverence to
Original Word: προσκυνέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: proskuneó
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-neh'-o)
Short Definition: I worship
Definition: I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship.
Matthew 8:22
And behold there came a leper and worshipped him saying Lord if thou wilt thou canst make me clean
oh look: proskuneó
Jude 1:4
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
monos: alone
STRONGS NT 3441: μόνος
μόνος, μόνη, μόνον, the Sept. chiefly for לְבַד (from Homer down);
1. an adjective, alone (without a companion);
............
Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him Get thee behind me Satan for it is written Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve
proskuneó: to do reverence to
Original Word: προσκυνέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: proskuneó
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-koo-neh'-o)
Short Definition: I worship
Definition: I go down on my knees to, do obeisance to, worship.
Matthew 8:22
And behold there came a leper and worshipped him saying Lord if thou wilt thou canst make me clean
oh look: proskuneó
Re: Run from it...
Hey Marc I do not know what I am about to say makes me Trintarian or not but my view is God ot me is like a Cherry pie that has three distinct slices in the crust biut the filling just flows right back togather
A second way i see the trinity is like an Egg there are three parts the shell the White and the Yoke the shell is christ , the White is the Holy Ghost and the Yoke is Father it takes all three parts which makes upmthe Godhead as it does for the egg break it apart and it is no longer an egg
The third way I see the Godhead is as like water, water is also steam and ice, so let us not become lukewarm let us beeither hot or cold but not lukewarm
Just food for thought here
Thanks
Hey Marc I do not know what I am about to say makes me Trintarian or not but my view is God ot me is like a Cherry pie that has three distinct slices in the crust biut the filling just flows right back togather
A second way i see the trinity is like an Egg there are three parts the shell the White and the Yoke the shell is christ , the White is the Holy Ghost and the Yoke is Father it takes all three parts which makes upmthe Godhead as it does for the egg break it apart and it is no longer an egg
The third way I see the Godhead is as like water, water is also steam and ice, so let us not become lukewarm let us beeither hot or cold but not lukewarm
Just food for thought here
Thanks
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing
This is what you need to do and you are not doing it.
"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2
"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32
"...if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:9-10
"For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you may well put up with it!" 2 Corinthians 11:4 [I.e. don't tolerate heresy]
"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar." Proverbs 30:5-6
"If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2
"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32
"...if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:9-10
"For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you may well put up with it!" 2 Corinthians 11:4 [I.e. don't tolerate heresy]
"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar." Proverbs 30:5-6
"If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
Re: Run from it...
For it says in the name of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost babtizing them in notice God in all three is singular even in this other translation below name is singular but in the form of three
Matthew 28:19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
For it says in the name of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost babtizing them in notice God in all three is singular even in this other translation below name is singular but in the form of three
Matthew 28:19Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing(ps)
Jesus did not teach as a man from a human perspective, HE SPOKE THE WORDS OF GOD FOR THE SPIRIT WAS ON HIM WITHOUT LIMIT
The thing is, you are not the only one here who believes what surely should be considered blasphemy, you just made the mistake of admitting it, the rest keep silent
Yes because you are not understanding that Jesus was both the Son of Man (Mary) and the Son of God.
He taught and preached as a man from a human perspective.
A bit like a teacher lowering themselves to the level of a child, while at the same time being a great scientist.(PS)
I would never dare state what you have in your reply to my post, or even countenance such a thing(ps)
Jesus did not teach as a man from a human perspective, HE SPOKE THE WORDS OF GOD FOR THE SPIRIT WAS ON HIM WITHOUT LIMIT
The thing is, you are not the only one here who believes what surely should be considered blasphemy, you just made the mistake of admitting it, the rest keep silent
Re: Run from it...
But yet actually he was not full man he was born of the virgim Mary so therrefore he is the only one that couldbe pefect because in actuality he was a life-giving Spirit of god the Father through the Holy Ghost that was reported to come upom hijm at Babtism being a witness in him that he showed us to depend on instructions of what to do and whwere to go in Father as Jesus did we are to dothe same but first and froemost after being forgiven recieving this the next thing is we need life and all three together bring this all to be fact and we are reborn. Each has thier Job and each are in in each and no one gets to the Father except through Christ and when this is done then we recieve the Holy Ghost understand that we are past tense foprgiven and if we ask to be born again it shall be done in you as it is in Christ Jesus. Anyway the three are one in each other overflowing back together as Cherry pie does after it is cut in three pieces the filing just flows right back together
But yet actually he was not full man he was born of the virgim Mary so therrefore he is the only one that couldbe pefect because in actuality he was a life-giving Spirit of god the Father through the Holy Ghost that was reported to come upom hijm at Babtism being a witness in him that he showed us to depend on instructions of what to do and whwere to go in Father as Jesus did we are to dothe same but first and froemost after being forgiven recieving this the next thing is we need life and all three together bring this all to be fact and we are reborn. Each has thier Job and each are in in each and no one gets to the Father except through Christ and when this is done then we recieve the Holy Ghost understand that we are past tense foprgiven and if we ask to be born again it shall be done in you as it is in Christ Jesus. Anyway the three are one in each other overflowing back together as Cherry pie does after it is cut in three pieces the filing just flows right back together
So if a person stands on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth they are damned , a heretic and will go to hell(Mark)
For you know we are today under a new covenant hebrews 9:15-17 nad this new covenant did not take affect until the death and proof of that death was prooven by being dead for three days So after the cross we are forgiven and loved complete. This was Christs Job to put away death through his fullfilling the Law and showing us that we can't do it therefore we are to trust through him being able to talk with Father and recieve life from Father by us asking for it Romans 6:1-11 is very clear to this new life and what is has accomplished by belief in it and belief alone
Sorry ot off track here but I think it omportant to rightly divide the word of truth as I know you do too
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There are so many posts on this thread that I didn't even attempt to read them all, so if I repeat a point someone else has already made please forgive me.
But truthseeker, I think you are confusing Jesus' humanity (he was the Son of Man and fully human) with his deity (he was the Son of God and divine in spirit). The man Jesus, who was mortal flesh and blood and was tempted in all points as we are, was just as dependent upon the Spirit for the strength and wisdom that he walked in as we are. His ability to live without sin was not due to any fleshly perfection, but due to his spiritual perfection. That is why he prayed to the Father, and why we too must pray to the Father that He will empower us by His Spirit to be perfect as Jesus was in all our heart's motives and to overcome carnal temptations and urgings and walk in unfeigned obedience to the Spirit of God, as Jesus did.
And the reality of God's triune nature is not really so difficult to accept, even if we don't understand it. We were created in God's image and we have a triune nature; body, soul, and spirit. Well if we mere creatures of clay are complex enough to have a triune nature, why is it so difficult to believe that God does? I mean we don't even fully understand ourselves; body, soul and spirit and yet we are one person. Oh, we can grasp the body part, that's easy, but the soul and spirit, and where one ends and the other begins, do you really understand all that? So why would you expect to understand God's triune nature, and reject it if you don't?
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
But truthseeker, I think you are confusing Jesus' humanity (he was the Son of Man and fully human) with his deity (he was the Son of God and divine in spirit). The man Jesus, who was mortal flesh and blood and was tempted in all points as we are, was just as dependent upon the Spirit for the strength and wisdom that he walked in as we are. His ability to live without sin was not due to any fleshly perfection, but due to his spiritual perfection. That is why he prayed to the Father, and why we too must pray to the Father that He will empower us by His Spirit to be perfect as Jesus was in all our heart's motives and to overcome carnal temptations and urgings and walk in unfeigned obedience to the Spirit of God, as Jesus did.
And the reality of God's triune nature is not really so difficult to accept, even if we don't understand it. We were created in God's image and we have a triune nature; body, soul, and spirit. Well if we mere creatures of clay are complex enough to have a triune nature, why is it so difficult to believe that God does? I mean we don't even fully understand ourselves; body, soul and spirit and yet we are one person. Oh, we can grasp the body part, that's easy, but the soul and spirit, and where one ends and the other begins, do you really understand all that? So why would you expect to understand God's triune nature, and reject it if you don't?
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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Re: Wake up...
I am not ignoring it . . . I simply do not believe how it's employed. Jesus Christ said God was his Father . . . I am to believe a man over Jesus?
God said Jesus was his only begotten Son . . . so I would say that since God did not tell us he was sending his own self as his Son . . . but that he was sending his Son . . . . then yes that thwarts the Trinity.
How can Jesus Christ be God but yet be God's Christ?
I don't ignore any scripture I just don't want to quote the whole Bible. . . . .
It is what Jesus Christ said of himself . . . He was sent from God, he has a God and that God is his Father.
Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever
I only hope by answering I do not get suspended from the site. . .I do go to a site where discussion on this topic is allowed as long as people remain civil but I will go ahead and tell you what I understand the Trinity doctrine teaches:
God is the Father, God is the Son and God is the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father, the Son is not the Holy Spirit neither is the Father the Holy Spirit but yet all three are ONE God. . . .If a person does not believe this then they are not saved because it takes a "truly" saved person to "see" the Trinity.
Response Originally post by Bowman: Agreed....
But you told me before that I did understand it. . . . .
I am to follow the doctrine of Jesus and his apostles . . . . they both declared that there is one God who has an only begotten Son and that Son is Jesus Christ. Belief in Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God gives eternal life.
I am not ignoring it . . . I simply do not believe how it's employed. Jesus Christ said God was his Father . . . I am to believe a man over Jesus?
God said Jesus was his only begotten Son . . . so I would say that since God did not tell us he was sending his own self as his Son . . . but that he was sending his Son . . . . then yes that thwarts the Trinity.
How can Jesus Christ be God but yet be God's Christ?
I don't ignore any scripture I just don't want to quote the whole Bible. . . . .
It is what Jesus Christ said of himself . . . He was sent from God, he has a God and that God is his Father.
I only hope by answering I do not get suspended from the site. . .I do go to a site where discussion on this topic is allowed as long as people remain civil but I will go ahead and tell you what I understand the Trinity doctrine teaches:
God is the Father, God is the Son and God is the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father, the Son is not the Holy Spirit neither is the Father the Holy Spirit but yet all three are ONE God. . . .If a person does not believe this then they are not saved because it takes a "truly" saved person to "see" the Trinity.
Response Originally post by Bowman: Agreed....
But you told me before that I did understand it. . . . .
I am to follow the doctrine of Jesus and his apostles . . . . they both declared that there is one God who has an only begotten Son and that Son is Jesus Christ. Belief in Jesus Christ as the only begotten Son of God gives eternal life.
So, God begot himself? How did God beget God? I thought God was eternal, not begotten?
God is Spirit, God is the Father, therefore . . . . God the Father is Spirit. By your logic then I can ask you: How many do you worship? Did Trinitarians have a part in transcribing from the original Greek, yes. Does that mean that only Trinitarians can believe the scripture or that the Trinity doctrine is actually taught in scripture? . . . I was under the impression that the Bible is written to and for anyone.
The Shema is Trinitarian.[/QUOTE]
The Shema is Unitarian . . The Lord our God is one Lord. The Jews did not believe in the Trinity . . .That doctrine was not even taught at the time of the OT. Remember most Trinitarians agree that the Trinity doctrine did not come in till later.. . . .
Jesus was a Jew. . . .and he quoted the Shema at Mark 12:29.
Jesus said: Let not you heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. And who did he say he was: The Son of God.
God is Spirit, God is the Father, therefore . . . . God the Father is Spirit. By your logic then I can ask you: How many do you worship? Did Trinitarians have a part in transcribing from the original Greek, yes. Does that mean that only Trinitarians can believe the scripture or that the Trinity doctrine is actually taught in scripture? . . . I was under the impression that the Bible is written to and for anyone.
The Shema is Trinitarian.[/QUOTE]
The Shema is Unitarian . . The Lord our God is one Lord. The Jews did not believe in the Trinity . . .That doctrine was not even taught at the time of the OT. Remember most Trinitarians agree that the Trinity doctrine did not come in till later.. . . .
Jesus was a Jew. . . .and he quoted the Shema at Mark 12:29.
Jesus said: Let not you heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. And who did he say he was: The Son of God.