Can Someone Explain Rev. 12:1-6 to Me?
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Negativity? I dont think so Mr Therapon. Yes you were fishing for surprise. Heres the thing, to disagree with
someone and explain why is exactly what this forum is for.
To divide over it is an altogether different thing. Some may. I dont. Srivel away i spose if you cant take it
because this is how it is here, was like this before i came and will stay the same as long as its a discussion
forum. Many here are in whatever position they are in.
Maybe you are used to teaching. See its standard to have a class be sat and organized in that venue.
Not here tho. Go back to just teaching, or put up with the reality of what this venue brings.
someone and explain why is exactly what this forum is for.
To divide over it is an altogether different thing. Some may. I dont. Srivel away i spose if you cant take it
because this is how it is here, was like this before i came and will stay the same as long as its a discussion
forum. Many here are in whatever position they are in.
Maybe you are used to teaching. See its standard to have a class be sat and organized in that venue.
Not here tho. Go back to just teaching, or put up with the reality of what this venue brings.
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Therapon, I truly understand and commiserate with your feelings about the inhumane treatment of the Jewish people, and further, I have actively worked to try to bring to pass the Jewish cry, "never again."
And I know how heart-wrenchingly difficult it is to try to reconcile the God of love and mercy that we know through Jesus ... with the just and vengeful God we know through Moses. But reconcile mercy and justice we must, the Cross demands it.
There were many, many devout and sincere orthodox Jews who were also waiting, and hoping, and praying for the Messiah in the years following the coming of Jesus. And yet, over a million Jews died horrible deaths, including women and children, in a judgment that God had foretold from it's very founding would one day be executed against that nation. Sin is deadly serious, and God will not excuse it.
So while I appreciate and share your heartfelt sorrow over the lives that were lost on the banks of that river, I don't think we can conclude as a matter of doctrine that because they were sincere in their unbelief that it is therefore excused. Which is why it is imperative, and should serve as an impetus, that we as Christians reach out to these people "beloved of God for the fathers' sake," and the whole world, and share with them the Gospel, not that they might be saved from persecution and death, many Christians died in the Holocaust too, but so that they might find eternal life after the death of these mortal bodies. We must recognize their need of Jesus or we are powerless to help them, for without him, there is no hope, either in this world, or in the world to come.
Which is why Jesus has commissioned us to go out into all the world ...
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
And I know how heart-wrenchingly difficult it is to try to reconcile the God of love and mercy that we know through Jesus ... with the just and vengeful God we know through Moses. But reconcile mercy and justice we must, the Cross demands it.
There were many, many devout and sincere orthodox Jews who were also waiting, and hoping, and praying for the Messiah in the years following the coming of Jesus. And yet, over a million Jews died horrible deaths, including women and children, in a judgment that God had foretold from it's very founding would one day be executed against that nation. Sin is deadly serious, and God will not excuse it.
So while I appreciate and share your heartfelt sorrow over the lives that were lost on the banks of that river, I don't think we can conclude as a matter of doctrine that because they were sincere in their unbelief that it is therefore excused. Which is why it is imperative, and should serve as an impetus, that we as Christians reach out to these people "beloved of God for the fathers' sake," and the whole world, and share with them the Gospel, not that they might be saved from persecution and death, many Christians died in the Holocaust too, but so that they might find eternal life after the death of these mortal bodies. We must recognize their need of Jesus or we are powerless to help them, for without him, there is no hope, either in this world, or in the world to come.
Which is why Jesus has commissioned us to go out into all the world ...
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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Thank you for providing a perfect example of this in another thread, when you said;
And the person who replied to you said “God is the one who inspired Romans11:8 so take it up with Him……
According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.”
Yet despite being shown what Scripture actually says you still insist;
and then again later in that same thread you said;
So my friend are you going to “look inside and say maybe I am wrong”? Or is this just a case of you saying do as I say, not as I do?
Thanks again for providing such a wonderful example! Kind of reminds of some parents I know who curse like drunken sailors in front of their children, then get upset when their children follow their example and curse too. Isn’t that called hypocrisy?
Hypocrisy
HYPOC'RISY, n. [L. hypocrisis; Gr. simulation; to feign; to separate, discern or judge.]
1. Simulation; a feigning to be what one is not; or dissimulation, a concealment of one's real character or motives. More generally, hypocrisy is simulation, or the assuming of a false appearance of virtue or religion; a deceitful show of a good character, in morals or religion; a counterfeiting of religion.
Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Luke 12.
2. Simulation; deceitful appearance; false pretence.
Hypocrisy is the necessary burden of villainy.
I can’t say as I blame him for ignoring you.
And the person who replied to you said “God is the one who inspired Romans11:8 so take it up with Him……
According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.”
Yet despite being shown what Scripture actually says you still insist;
and then again later in that same thread you said;
So my friend are you going to “look inside and say maybe I am wrong”? Or is this just a case of you saying do as I say, not as I do?
Thanks again for providing such a wonderful example! Kind of reminds of some parents I know who curse like drunken sailors in front of their children, then get upset when their children follow their example and curse too. Isn’t that called hypocrisy?
Hypocrisy
HYPOC'RISY, n. [L. hypocrisis; Gr. simulation; to feign; to separate, discern or judge.]
1. Simulation; a feigning to be what one is not; or dissimulation, a concealment of one's real character or motives. More generally, hypocrisy is simulation, or the assuming of a false appearance of virtue or religion; a deceitful show of a good character, in morals or religion; a counterfeiting of religion.
Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Luke 12.
2. Simulation; deceitful appearance; false pretence.
Hypocrisy is the necessary burden of villainy.
I can’t say as I blame him for ignoring you.
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No it’s not evil, it’s called rebuke which you don’t seem to like and call evil.
If someone stands up agents doctrine that is wrong and that doctrine is also yours, then we are speaking evil agents the brethren and it’s not loving and not Christ like.
You might be able to manipulate other Christians using scripture like the devil did with Jesus, but it won’t work with me Matt4:4-10
As for the zero friends bro “Ouch” that hurt LOL.
That was like the venomous viper that came out of the fire and fastened on his hand “OUCH that hurt” but don’t worry I shook it off and no harm came to me and it fell back into the fire.
Acts28:3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
And by the way, you have no idea how many Christians have asked to be my friend on this website.
And if that’s not striking below the belt, I don’t know what is “hypocrite”
As for the humble bit bro, it’s hard to be humble and preach bold as a lion and rebuke them that sin all at the same time, or maybe your interpretation of being humble needs to be adjusted.
Maybe if I humbled myself before YOU and your PULPIT I might be more expectable in your sight.
The book “Islam and the end times” is not worth the paper it’s printed on, and I have read the snippets.
It inspires hatred and racism and having a political agenda, and has nothing to do with Jesus, the word, or the Holy Ghost.
If someone stands up agents doctrine that is wrong and that doctrine is also yours, then we are speaking evil agents the brethren and it’s not loving and not Christ like.
You might be able to manipulate other Christians using scripture like the devil did with Jesus, but it won’t work with me Matt4:4-10
As for the zero friends bro “Ouch” that hurt LOL.
That was like the venomous viper that came out of the fire and fastened on his hand “OUCH that hurt” but don’t worry I shook it off and no harm came to me and it fell back into the fire.
Acts28:3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
And by the way, you have no idea how many Christians have asked to be my friend on this website.
And if that’s not striking below the belt, I don’t know what is “hypocrite”
As for the humble bit bro, it’s hard to be humble and preach bold as a lion and rebuke them that sin all at the same time, or maybe your interpretation of being humble needs to be adjusted.
Maybe if I humbled myself before YOU and your PULPIT I might be more expectable in your sight.
The book “Islam and the end times” is not worth the paper it’s printed on, and I have read the snippets.
It inspires hatred and racism and having a political agenda, and has nothing to do with Jesus, the word, or the Holy Ghost.
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Then you are being a “hypocrite” too, for I have seen you calling brethren “liars” and saying “manmade doctrine” and reweight and twist scripture
Its charitable and Ok for you to rebuke, but it’s NOT charitable and Ok for me to rebuke, you must be special
And this is about me disagreeing with you as much as it is you disagreeing with me, but I like how you try to make it one-sided to try to make it like you have the light.
That’s not a praying bro, that’s you taking a stab and doing your religious traditions of men
Its charitable and Ok for you to rebuke, but it’s NOT charitable and Ok for me to rebuke, you must be special
And this is about me disagreeing with you as much as it is you disagreeing with me, but I like how you try to make it one-sided to try to make it like you have the light.
That’s not a praying bro, that’s you taking a stab and doing your religious traditions of men
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If they are not just Christian of all nations then God is blessing children of disobedience.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Spiritual Israel is the woman, the obedient,not the disobedient .
And the wrath of God comes on all how don’t believe in him, NOT a place prepared and food. And being nourished.
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
And WHAT is there two bodies?
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Spiritual Israel is the woman, the obedient,not the disobedient .
And the wrath of God comes on all how don’t believe in him, NOT a place prepared and food. And being nourished.
Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
And WHAT is there two bodies?
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I'd like to see you humble yourself peterT. It would be like Moses parting the Red Sea. The stiff necked arrogance you're displaying here is nothing but your own ego show and it would be fun to downsize it and know I'd be doing you a favor when I helped you pull the Sequoia sized redwood log out of your own eye. Lol.
Until you can experience that joyous day of personal growth, we'll just have to report your dastardly verbal abuse when it crosses the line which is frequently... lol.
Until you can experience that joyous day of personal growth, we'll just have to report your dastardly verbal abuse when it crosses the line which is frequently... lol.
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We're just discussing the Jewish population in the Holy Land after the Jewish-Roman wars, specifically after the Bar Kokhba revolt since that was when it was at its lowest point. It's a side discussion to the larger discussion happening here. My sources assert it was larger than his. That's all.
hold up hold up.
i don't member you asking me to take part AoK
but, of course i will, if needed.
einsteinzone
i don't member you asking me to take part AoK
but, of course i will, if needed.
einsteinzone
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Not interested in the mote in your eye bro, just you doctrine and your abuse to me which you are allowed to do, but I’m not.
Like I said it’s pretty hard to be humble and preach bold as a lion and rebuke them that sin, at the same time
“OUCH” was that abuse and your own ego or rebuke
Why don’t you show me how to be humble?
Like I said it’s pretty hard to be humble and preach bold as a lion and rebuke them that sin, at the same time
“OUCH” was that abuse and your own ego or rebuke
Why don’t you show me how to be humble?