This is to whom the shoe fits.

[tribesman]

Luther has been in various blame bins for centuries, ever since Rome got sourgrapes over his stance.

 

[zone]

Makes sense zone. I'll pm if after research, I still have a questions but I understand what you're saying. Hold everyone to God's standard. Makes SENSE.

I didn't mean to fire anyone up. We live in an age of knowledge but that doesn't mean AgeofKnowledge knows everything there is to know yet: just a great deal of it... lol.

ya bud.
pm anytime.
i suggest you start right here with Therapon's teachings.
it's a microcosm of all dual-covenant dispensational errors.
but this one in particular is carefully crafted...he's got the Dome of The Rock being the A.O.D.
and God still dealing with Two Covenants.

look really carefully at how this was done, and who was involved to begin with.

like i said...apparently this isn't in ellis' Bible...if it is, we're supposed to either think it's literally about ISHMAEL (Islam), or pretend it doesn't mean exactly what it says, or that God is pulling a fast one on us all:

Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

 

[zone]

Luther has been in various blame bins for centuries, ever since Rome got sourgrapes over his stance.

there's that other branch, as well....that left the reservation early.
and burned over entire districts.
masters of the buzzwords.
again, trace it to the source.

 

[Jacob_]

Of Israel God has said "they are not My people" because they have fornicated with idols. The Jews that died in the Holocaust died in sin and unbelief, just as God said in Jeremiah that they'd be a "curse and a byword among all nations". No man falls to the ground apart from the Will of the Father in heaven, and God does not honor people who dishonor His name by rejecting Christ. The Jews will be saved, just like everyone else - but there will be no boast in the flesh, there will be no boasting of how great Israel is in the flesh - but they will be among the Gentiles, as a people who need the Grace of their elder Brother Jesus Christ. Just as Joseph was rejected by his brethren, so was Christ Jesus - and to sing a song to "the Messiah" while being killed in the Holocaust doesn't quite testify of the Truth of Jesus - they have a Messiah, but he was murdered by the Jews, just like every prophet in Israel was murdered. God is doing a work that will cause many to be jealous, and to bring shame to the proud flesh.

 

[zone]

Exactly! Finally some truth. Thank you, sir!

cool ellis....if the muslims you can't stand are crying out to Allah with a crushed spirit are they heaven bound too?
just answer yes or no.

 

[tribesman]

cool ellis....if the muslims you can't stand are crying out to Allah with a crushed spirit are they heaven bound too?
just answer yes or no.

I second that.

 

[zone]

Of Israel God has said "they are not My people" because they have fornicated with idols. The Jews that died in the Holocaust died in sin and unbelief, just as God said in Jeremiah that they'd be a "curse and a byword among all nations". No man falls to the ground apart from the Will of the Father in heaven, and God does not honor people who dishonor His name by rejecting Christ. The Jews will be saved, just like everyone else - but there will be no boast in the flesh, there will be no boasting of how great Israel is in the flesh - but they will be among the Gentiles, as a people who need the Grace of their elder Brother Jesus Christ. Just as Joseph was rejected by his brethren, so was Christ Jesus - and to sing a song to "the Messiah" while being killed in the Holocaust doesn't quite testify of the Truth of Jesus - they have a Messiah, but he was murdered by the Jews, just like every prophet in Israel was murdered. God is doing a work that will cause many to be jealous, and to bring shame to the proud flesh.

see, this is what the Bible actually teaches.
the faithful branches were NOT cut off....that's the remnant.
jews today get saved like anyone else, but Rabbinic Judaism is like an Iron Prison for them.

but something happened during the "Enlightenment", and a few things got shuffled...and then we had Darby and Scofield and John Hagee.

and if you say what you just did, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

working according to PLAN.
this kind of talk will get you TROUBLE.
even though its just straight hard truth.

if we can EVER get serious about reading the Bible this stuff wouldn't even be an issue.
everybody would be hearing the same Gospel message.

 

[Abiding]

Yup rekon this fits just dern good.

 

[Ariel82]

[h=2]Re: This is to whom the shoe fits.[/h]
aww man, you mean this isn't a Cinderella thread?

no marriage proposal.... oh well, I like going around barefooted anyways.....


<wanders off to play with the waves at the beach listening to the Zac Brown band "toes" Zac Brown Band - Toes (live TRB VII) - YouTube >

 

[zone]

[h=2]Re: This is to whom the shoe fits.[/h]
aww man, you mean this isn't a Cinderella thread?

no marriage proposal.... oh well, I like going around barefooted anyways.....


<wanders off to play with the waves at the beach listening to the Zac Brown band "toes" Zac Brown Band - Toes (live TRB VII) - YouTube >

here Ariel

 

[zone]

Therapon has agreed to have his teachings examined.

These are some relevant threads.

i reject this thesis and the entire foundation, which hinges on a private interpretation of Daniel 9,
and asserts unbelieving, unsaved jews today are in fact saved in spite of rejecting Jesus Christ The Literal Actual Person.

i'll comment specifically as time permits.

his thesis is seen clearly in opening posts in all threads.

i assume this is open to all for discussion.

~

Connecting the Dots . . .

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57042-connecting-dots.html < click


The Antichrist Myth

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57115-antichrist-myth.html < click


Beast with Two Horns Like a Lamb

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/58191-beast-two-horns-like-lamb.html < click


Ten Horns of the Leopard-Bear-Lion

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57693-ten-horns-leopard-bear-lion.html < click


Why isnt the holocaust in the bible

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57005-why-isnt-holocaust-bible-2.html#post898228 < click #137+

 

[Therapon]

cool ellis....if the muslims you can't stand are crying out to Allah with a crushed spirit are they heaven bound too? just answer yes or no.

First of all, your original premise is wrong. Muslims are an ensnared people, deceived by the false prophet. It is Islam that I hate, because that religion stands directly against Jesus being the Son of God.

 

[zone]

First of all, your original premise is wrong. Muslims are an ensnared people, deceived by the false prophet. It is Islam that I hate, because that religion stands directly against Jesus being the Son of God.

SO DOES JUDAISM.

back later.

wait.....did you answer the question?

if a Muslim has a crushed spirit and cried out Allah is he saved?
yes or no.

 

[tribesman]

SO DOES JUDAISM.

back later.

Exactly. Rabbinic judaism is just as soul-damning, abominable and antichrist as Islam. And those who do not see this are deceived. Those who support it are partakers of their evil deeds. Amen.

 

[tribesman]

First of all, your original premise is wrong. Muslims are an ensnared people, deceived by the false prophet. It is Islam that I hate, because that religion stands directly against Jesus being the Son of God.

So are non-believing jews. You should hate their abominable false religion too. That is what a righteous soul should do.

[h=3]Ps.119[/h][104] Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

 

[Therapon]

(Therapon) asserts unbelieving, unsaved jews today are in fact saved in spite of rejecting Jesus Christ

Again you misrepresent. Jews are not "rejecting" Jesus, they just call Him their Messiah. Furthermore, they cannot reject what they cannot see, Romens 11:8.

 

[zone]

Exactly. Rabbinic judaism is just as soul-damning, abominable and antichrist as Islam. And those who do not see this are deceived. Those who support it are partakers of their evil deeds. Amen.

worse actually....Islam is what it is.
self-evidently antichrist and false.

Judaism is masquerading as Moses, and some Christians are turned over completely to IT.
and helping IT in it's blasphemies.
and calling it Christianity!

 

[tribesman]

worse actually....Islam is what it is.
self-evidently antichrist and false.

Judaism is masquerading as Moses, and some Christians are turned over completely to IT.
and helping IT in it's blasphemies.
and calling it Christianity!

If they at all are regenerate they're deceived. If they are wicked reprobates then it is par for the course by God seeing to it that they should be further hardened and sent strong delusion to believe the lie so that they receive greater damnation.

Enough of silk gloves and "tolerance" for this filth.

 

[zone]

Again you misrepresent.

1) Jews are not "rejecting" Jesus, they just call Him their Messiah.

2) Furthermore, they cannot reject what they cannot see, Romens 11:8.

ellis....

1) if jews call Jesus Messiah, they ARE CHRISTIANS.
2) cancels out your #1

which is typical of your stuff.

God help you people who have done so much damage over Paul's Romans 11.
it has happened to you just as Peter said it would.

i'm going over to another thread for now.

 

[tribesman]

Again you misrepresent. Jews are not "rejecting" Jesus, they just call Him their Messiah. Furthermore, they cannot reject what they cannot see, Romens 11:8.

Damnable heresy you teach.