Response to Critique of Calvinism

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Abiding

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#61
i did mean me making a thread on monergism.
:)
Ok then the opening line to me threw me "Abiding would you be careful to do a full explanation of the various views of monergism?":cool:
 

zone

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My beef with Calvinism has more to do with their Theocentrism rather than being Christocentric.
i agree here crossnote.
it's not a beef so much as what it became for me, in the long haul..... God's Sovereignty became a little like a furnace for me.
it was getting kinda hot in there if you know what i mean.

naturally that's one of His Attributes.

what i like about my/our denom is the focus is a little more on another of His Attributes - The Merciful God.
but you knew that:)
i really have no beef with calvinists as brothers and sisters.
not so far. not as a denom.
z
 

zone

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Ok then the opening line to me threw me "Abiding would you be careful to do a full explanation of the various views of monergism?":cool:
ehehehe....too many strawberry smoothies today maybe for me?
(tummy ache).:p
 
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Abiding

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#64
Im not sure any synergists would ever not believe that saying of the Lord "without me you can do nothing"
Nor have a hard time at all with any parts of the bible, especially those of His sovereignty. Or that
The Word and the Spirit and the Father dont all work to bring one to salvation. And that alone a man
can do nothing.
 

superdave5221

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I guess I will have to study this.. As with most things.. there is probably alot of good in there. I find most "isms" though I do not agree with everything, each of them have good points which we can learn from.
Hey EG. You're right. As we grow in knowledge and our walk with Christ, we grow in discernment. I have had to reevaluate a lot of my beliefs, many of which were "traditional", in light of new discernment of the Word of God. There are some of my older postings that if someone brought them up, I would have to refute them. We must be willing to learn in humility, from God's Word, and from each other, while all the while trusting that Jesus will not let us go astray.
 

zone

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#66
My beef with Calvinism has more to do with their Theocentrism rather than being Christocentric.
sorry...i don't think i properly addressed yer point.
i do get it though.
Jesus is the center of every single thing Lutherans talk about and hear about, it's all that comes from the pulpit.
our anyways....mine locally.
kinda looking for Him in e-e-e-e-e-everything.

and wouldn't ya know it?
there He is!:)
 
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Abiding

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#68
Some synergists like myself love sound doctrine and look and smell
just like a calvinists but with a just couple added heresys:p
 

zone

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dave! it's you! :)

^ ^ ^
see there, you made me smile, just by showing up. :)

love,
el
davster's just got that thang that makes ya smile, el.....:):):)
 
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psychomom

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#70
Some synergists like myself love sound doctrine and look and smell
just like a calvinists but with a just couple added heresys:p
is there a joke coming on?

mike's so heretical.

how heretical is he?? :)

j/k. i get pretty punch-drunk after 7.
love you.
 
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psychomom

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#72
a-a-and before i get sillier---

g'nite, y'all.
sleep sweet. ♥
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#73
not always, though.
i 'grew up' in a baptist church that where full synergism was taught.

then i began noticing things in parts of the Bible never taught at the church.
i didn't want to know it...but couldn't help it, either.

never even knew the term monergist till years later.
i just knew my while life, and especially my salvation, was God's work, not mine.

don't want to offend, or provoke.
just sayin' i may not be the only odd case history out there.

love,
el
I will be honest. I never heard of synergism or monergism until about a year ago., in this chat room. And I have been to hundreds of churches..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#74
Im not sure any synergists would ever not believe that saying of the Lord "without me you can do nothing"
Nor have a hard time at all with any parts of the bible, especially those of His sovereignty. Or that
The Word and the Spirit and the Father dont all work to bring one to salvation. And that alone a man
can do nothing.
I would love to like this post. But since I have no clue what a synergist believes, I would be setting myself up..lol

Although coming from you., I prolly do agree
:p
 
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Abiding

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#75
I will be honest. I never heard of synergism or monergism until about a year ago., in this chat room. And I have been to hundreds of churches..
In gradeschool during english the teacher put me by the window facing the playground
so i wouldnt disturb the class. So ya i had to buy a dictionary too when it caught up to me:p
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#76
In gradeschool during english the teacher put me by the window facing the playground
so i wouldnt disturb the class. So ya i had to buy a dictionary too when it caught up to me:p

lol. don't feel bad, I paid attention and still got c's and d's in english,, yet got straight a's in spanish, go figure..
 
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Abiding

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#77
I would love to like this post. But since I have no clue what a synergist believes, I would be setting myself up..lol

Although coming from you., I prolly do agree
:p
2 cor 6:1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.


1 cor 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.


Theres a cliche that says:

Without Him we cant
Without us He wont

A synergists just believes that man cooperates with God in salvation.
How much? Noone knows. It just appears the teaching is present in both
scripture and human experience.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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2 cor 6:1We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.


1 cor 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.


Theres a cliche that says:

Without Him we cant
Without us He wont

A synergists just believes that man cooperates with God in salvation.
How much? Noone knows. It just appears the teaching is present in both
scripture and human experience.

Thats what I don't like about some words.

If my father gives me a gift and I take it, I did not co-operate with him in whatever it was he gave me, I just took it..If I say no thinks da. I did not co-operate in not getting it, I just said no..

So I guess I would not be a synergist or monergist. Like I am not a calvanist or an arminian..lol


Those passages speak of God people laboring with him after they are saved to do his work.. Thus post salvation stuff..
 
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Abiding

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#79
Synergy is the cooperation of multiple elements to produce a result greater than the sum of their individual effects. The term synergy comes from the Greek word synergia συνεργία from synergos,συνεργός, meaning "working together".[SUP][1][/SUP]

If used in a business application, synergy means that teamwork will produce an overall better result than if each person within the group were working toward the same goal individually. However, the concept of group
cohesion needs to be considered. Group cohesion is that property that is inferred from the number and strength of mutual positive attitudes among members of the group. As the group becomes more cohesive, its functioning is affected in a number of ways. First, the interactions and communication between members increase. Common goals, interests and small size all contribute to this. In addition, group member satisfaction increases as the group provides friendship and support against outside threats.[SUP][5]


Church works like this in a way[/SUP]
 
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Abiding

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Thats what I don't like about some words.

If my father gives me a gift and I take it, I did not co-operate with him in whatever it was he gave me, I just took it..If I say no thinks da. I did not co-operate in not getting it, I just said no..

So I guess I would not be a synergist or monergist. Like I am not a calvanist or an arminian..lol


Those passages speak of God people laboring with him after they are saved to do his work.. Thus post salvation stuff..
but theres no place between. There is between calvinists and arminians but not
between monergism and synergists