What is the Messianic Kingdom?

[Bookends]

Thanks, Bookends, for your gracious effort.

It was helpful.

I don't know how, I felt it sloppy work on my part. Anyway, I'm praying for you and EG. EG's a hard shell to crack...lol, love you man!

 

[Bookends]

The Messiah is referred to as a stone or rock in many places in Scripture.

Do you know of any place where the NT Church is referred to as a rock?

No, fair enough. Do you know anywhere in Scripture that Christ is called a kingdom, as in the 5th Kingdom? Usually a kingdom has subjects.

 

[Elin]

No, fair enough. Do you know anywhere in Scripture that Christ is called a kingdom, as in the 5th Kingdom? Usually a kingdom has subjects.

Well, Christ has subjects. I am a slave of Christ (1Co 7:22).

I don't know of any place in Scripture that a rock is called a kingdom, as it is in Da 2.

But the rock in Da 2 was the kingdom set up by God, which is Christ's kingdom.

However, I don't know of any "Christ is a kingdom" in Scripture.

 

[Bookends]

Well, Christ has subjects. I am a slave of Christ (1Co 7:22).

I don't know of any place in Scripture that a rock is called a kingdom, as it is in Da 2.

But the rock in Da 2 was the kingdom set up by God, which is Christ's kingdom.

However, I don't know of any "Christ is a kingdom" in Scripture.

That's what I suggest or believe that the rock in Dan. 2 is Christ's Kingdom, subjects and all, or rather Christ and His Kingdom. That's what I got from Jay E Adam anyway. It was the Christians with the help of Christ that brought down the Roman emperor, not Christ alone (not say that Christ couldn't do it alone).

 

[Abiding]

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [SUP]20 [/SUP]having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, [SUP]21 [/SUP]in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, [SUP]22 [/SUP]in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

 

[Elin]

1. Yet God made a promise.

[SUP]44 [/SUP]Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, nor will I so abhor them as to destroy them, breaking My covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But I will remember for them the covenant with their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am the Lord.’”

So yes they are as a nation desolate. yet it was prophesied they would be if they did not follow God..

Yet God promised never to destroy them so they are no longer a nation,

and if they repent, bring them back as one nation.

Where is this promise of a nation?

The aronic priesthood never saved anyone,, so whats your point? as long as it was valid,, it was an eternal priesthood.. And as I said,, who said it is done away with?? yes the animal sacrifices would not be valid. but
who is to say if God restores Israel, he would still not use arrons family as priests?

again we can not say, because it has not happened yet..

That is human conjecture nowhere found in the word of God.

What is found in the word of God is that the Levitical priesthood in the order of Aaron has been changed to the priesthood in the eternal order of Melchizedek (Heb 7:2-4 ,6-7, 11) with Christ as its new and eternal high priest (Heb 7:17, 21).

There will not be another priesthood, neither in addition to the order of Melchizedek, nor replacing the eternal order of Melchizedek, just as there will not be another temporal Messianic kingdom.

Neither has any basis in the word of God.

 

[Abiding]

Even so repentance does provide an eternal nation which Israel belongs to.
1 Peter 2:9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

 

[Elin]

1Peter 1: 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful search and inquiry, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look.

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;

hey bro.. not sure what you wanted these passages to mean.

how do these prove that the literal gentile kingdoms spoken of by daniel which would hold power on earth should be symbolized, and not taken literally?

They show that not all prophecy is literal, that the prophets themselves didn't know what they meant, that they were similitudes, riddles and parables.

 

[Elin]

why would you say this? the arronic priesthood was never given to me. or any of us.. now was it??

No, but it was given eternally by the word of God, and it's not eternal.

also.. does the arronic preisthood still exist

Which is precisely the point.

God promised it eternally, and it no longer exists.

So what happened to God's "eternal"?

 

[Abiding]

They show that not all prophecy is literal, that the prophets themselves didn't know what they meant, that they were similitudes, riddles and parables.

Even the angels were scratching their heads. "Mysteries"

 

[Elin]

EG what do you do with the many "forevers" and "eternals" in the Old testament that ceased
when that "age: was complete? Like in 70ad.

70 AD? what was completed then?

The OT Mosaic "everlasting" order (Heb 9;19) and its ordinances, in the destruction of the Temple.

 

[Elin]

Just for fun EG say yes or no.

Is the Aaronic priesthood eternal?

to Isreal. as a nation. Yes,, God said it was.

Jesus' revelation (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT given through the apostles, disagrees with you.

The Levitical priesthood in the order of Aaron has been replaced with the priesthood in the eternal order of Melchizedek (Heb 7:11, 17, 21).

There is no, nor will there ever be any, priesthood other than the eternal priesthood of Melchizedek.

 

[Elin]

lol.. Ok.. thats ok. I already know the answer.

as long as something exists.. an eternal covenant is still binding..

Unless it has been fulfilled. . .as in the covenant of land (Josh 21:43-45; 1Kgs 21, 24-25; Heb 11:8-16),

and the return to the land, fulfilled under Ezra and Nehemiah, with the rebuilding of the Temple, the walls of Jerusalem, restoration of Temple worship and the outbreak of revival.

There is no promise of land, nor promise of return to the land, remaining to Israel.

The only land promises remaining are to God's NT church of believing Jews and Gentiles (Ps 37:29; Mt 5:5 Ro 4:13; 2Pe 3;10, 13; Rev 21:1, 4-7).

 

[zone]

Unless it has been fulfilled. . .as in the covenant of land (Josh 21:43-45; 1Kgs 21, 24-25; Heb 11:8-16),

and the return to the land, fulfilled under Ezra and Nehemiah, with the rebuilding of the Temple, the walls of Jerusalem, restoration of Temple worship and the outbreak of revival.

There is no promise of land, nor promise of return to the land, remaining to Israel.

The only land promises remaining are to God's NT church of believing Jews and Gentiles (Ps 37:29; Mt 5:5 Ro 4:13; 2Pe 3;10, 13; Rev 21:1, 4-7).

fulfilled...imagine that

John 19:28
Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty."

 

[Elin]

what was symbolic about the arronic priesthood being eternal?

The point was not about symbolism, it was about the eternal priesthood of Aaron no longer existing and, therefore, it was not eternal.

 

[Elin]

Yeah they better. And guess what? Scripture says this is what will happen.. (then
ALL isreal will be saved)

IF they do not persist in unbelief. (Ro 11:23)

 

[Abiding]

Apparently you thought repeating that would get through

 

[Elin]

God gave you a gift to.. do you believe he will fulfill that gift even if you do not deserve it?? or will he take it away? forever?

Is God God that gives people things, Says it is their forever. then takes them back?

No, he fulfills them, as he did the promise of land (Josh 21:43-45; 1Kgs 4:21, 24-25) and the promise of return to the land in Ezra and Nehemiah.

Promises fulfilled, promises not in force.

 

[Elin]

He used figurative language to show literal things did he not?? Did the events those things represented literally happen or not??

He did not use figurative languge to show figurative things, everything he said would happen

So that's how you work it!

Figurative language showing literal things is really literal language, not figurative language.

It has to be figurative language showing figurative things to really be figurative language.

How did I miss that Biblical prinicple?

No wonder you don't make sense.

Why didn't I see that?

Silly me. . .

 

[Elin]

I don't know how, I felt it sloppy work on my part. Anyway, I'm praying for you and EG. EG's a hard shell to crack...lol, love you man!

I found it helpful because it confirmed that Scripture does not show Israel was supposed to give the gospel to the Gentiles and, therefore, their rejection by God was not because their unbelief caused their failure to do so, but because of their rejection of Christ.