What is the Messianic Kingdom?

[eternally-gratefull]

EG what do you do with the many "forevers" and "eternals" in the Old testament that ceased
when that "age: was complete? Like in 70ad.

70 AD? what was completed then?

Things like the Temple commands, the priesthood etc.

As long as they are in existance./. then the promise still stands right?

From memory i think i found near a dozen forevers and eternals that are no more.

what stopped them?? And who is to say in the future kingdom, the arronic priests will not exist? (although they will not be sacrificing animals at that time? alot of assumptions here, which technically, until we get there, we cannot answer. It is all just guessing..

 

[Abiding]

why would you say this? the arronic priesthood was never given to me. or any of us.. now was it??

also.. does the arronic preisthood still exist, or have power?? did it fulfill its purpose as long as it was in existance?

and finally/. is the land of canaan still exist?

Just for fun EG say yes or no.
Is the Aaronic priesthood eternal?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Seen by whom?

You keep going round and round the same bush.

This was addressed here and here.

lol.. sorry, Just because you claim it was answered does not make it so..

I proved to you they wer two kingdoms.. You have not shown how they are not.. I showed you, the feet of iron and clay was in itself a devided kingdom. one kingdom

the legs of iron was not divided, it was one fierce kingdom..

 

[Abiding]

EG what do you do with the many "forevers" and "eternals" in the Old testament that ceased
when that "age: was complete? Like in 70ad.

70 AD? what was completed then?



As long as they are in existance./. then the promise still stands right?



what stopped them?? And who is to say in the future kingdom, the arronic priests will not exist? (although they will not be sacrificing animals at that time? alot of assumptions here, which technically, until we get there, we cannot answer. It is all just guessing..

Nice dancing. But no answer really. I have the answer, but im not telling you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just for fun EG say yes or no.
Is the Aaronic priesthood eternal?

to Isreal. as a nation. Yes,, God said it was.

did it ever save them? No.. so whats your point?

 

[Abiding]

I know what the clay was too and the little horn but i wont
say till i get some fresh jalopino bagals and some fresh cut salmon

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG what do you do with the many "forevers" and "eternals" in the Old testament that ceased
when that "age: was complete? Like in 70ad.

Nice dancing. But no answer really. I have the answer, but im not telling you

lol.. Ok.. thats ok. I already know the answer.

as long as something exists.. an eternal covenant is still binding..

when this earth is destroyed,, then there is no canaan.. then would isreal still own something that does nt exist? no..

But does that mean the eternal promise was not eternal after all??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know what the clay was too and the little horn but i wont
say till i get some fresh jalopino bagals and some fresh cut salmon

You do?

so who were the ten kings?

who was the three the little horn destroyed?

Who were the seven kingd that gave the little horn power for a time?

when was thins kingdom controling every nation tribe and tongue so that all people worshipped him? (the little horn)

when did this little horn control all financial power of the world?


I asked this before, but still waiting for an answer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to disapear for a but, but will be back later.

But I will comment something I wanted to say.

Symbolized prophesy can not be proven.. can just be a persons own belief. you can not prove a symbol.

future literal prophesy can not be proven. until it happens. is just a persons opinion.

thus why are we so devided on these points? we can be united and agree to disagree. the anger which comes out of these beliefs which CANNOT BE PROVEN just amazes me.

 

[Elin]

oh it was, then riddle me this.

out of those ten,, which one destroyed three of the others?

which of the seven gave supreme control of their kingdoms to the one John called the beast, and daniel called the little horn?

when did this reformed roman kingdom which came out of the ten gain control of the whole earth (every nation tribe and tongue as daniel and John said it would?

when did the whole world worship this new kingdom ruled by the beast?

when did this beast gain control of all finances, and force everyone to use a mark to buy or sell anything?

when you interpret prophesy, you do not take ONE part and say it is fulfilled. ALL parts must be fulfilled in order for the prophesy to be said to be complete..

even if their were ten nations. you have to prove the rest happened, i just named a few hear. can you show me where those things happened? then we can go over the rest of what daniel and john said owuld happen with this ten king kingdom rules by the beast/little horn..

This is the bi-level prophecy regarding the fourth beast, just ast Mt 24 is bi-level prophecy.

Just as the destruction in Mt 24 is stated in terms of Jerusalem (e.g., vv.15-22), but not all of it is about Jerusalem itself, but some is about the end of time (e.g., vv.30-31),
so the prophecy stated in terms of the fourth kingdom, Rome, (e.g., 7:20-28) is not all about Rome itself, but some is about the end of time.

All prophecy is not literal, or Daniel would not need to explain the meaning of the visions.

Likewise with Eze 12, 15, 16, 17, 23, 24, 31, 37 and Rev 12, 13, 17.

 

[Abiding]

to Isreal. as a nation. Yes,, God said it was.

did it ever save them? No.. so whats your point?

Nope Israel as a nation was made desolate. And the Aaronic priesthood has been replaced.
So you have a lying god and no eternal life.................................or theres something else you missed.

 

[Abiding]

lol.. Ok.. thats ok. I already know the answer.

as long as something exists.. an eternal covenant is still binding..

when this earth is destroyed,, then there is no canaan.. then would isreal still own something that does nt exist? no..

But does that mean the eternal promise was not eternal after all??

Ill take this up with you at a different time....because its got big ramifications
And i dont think you see something. I call it Christachatology

 

[Elin]

no actually he does not.

[SUP]40 [/SUP]Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so, like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces.

this is one kingdom.

[SUP]41 [/SUP]In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom;

this is the fifth kingdom. He said the feet and toes were a kingdom of its own. they are not the same kingdom

God disagrees with your interpretation.

Daniel said God revealed the meaning of the vision to him (2:30) and God told him the statue was four kingdoms (2:38-40), not five.

The kingdom following the four kingdoms of the statue is the fifth kingdom, which is the kingdom of God (2:44).

 

[Elin]

It can't.

This has massive ramification. If God gave them the land completely where they possed it..
then he was done, even though he called it an eternal covenant. then we are in trouble.

The word of God in Hebrews disagrees with you.

See my thread, "The Land Promise" where this is treated.

 

[Abiding]

why would you say this? the arronic priesthood was never given to me. or any of us.. now was it??

also.. does the arronic preisthood still exist, or have power?? did it fulfill its purpose as long as it was in existance?

and finally/. is the land of canaan still exist?

You know the reason im saying this. You keep stressing eternal, everlasting. And cry about literalism
So i rekon i need to make you hold to a consistency. Which you wont be able to do. Then also on symbolic
usage in the bible you seem to put down even when i show verses that say God has done this through
His prophets. Ima gona be pestering you but i know youl still wuv mecuz im irresistable

 

[Abiding]

lol.. Ok.. thats ok. I already know the answer.

as long as something exists.. an eternal covenant is still binding..

when this earth is destroyed,, then there is no canaan.. then would isreal still own something that does nt exist? no..

But does that mean the eternal promise was not eternal after all??

Ok then when you die and rot and disappear there goes your eternal life.
Or else we can see that there were "ages" and a usage/term called "the earth" or "the world"
and quit being so wooden, but study and notice terms in the bible that God used and
dont force them to fit our current usage.

 

[Elin]

wow.. GOD TOLD ABRAHAM HE AND HIS DESCENDANTS FOR 400 YEARS WOULD NOT POSSESS IT. THAT ABRAHAM WOULD DIE HAVING NEVER OWNED EVEN PART OF THE LAND IN IT.

and you want to continue to argue??

Your argument is with Hebrews:

"All these people (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob) were still living by faith when they died. They (Abraham, et al) did not receive the things promised. . .Instead they (Abraham, et al) were longing for a better country (than Canaan)--a heavenly one."

God promised Canaan to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob personally (Ge 17:8, 26:3, 35:12), as well as to their descendants.
Hebrews states "they did not receive the thing promised."

Take it up with Hebrews.

 

[Pilgrimer]

Yep, God is a liar.

when he says forever, he does not mean it..

I would counsel you to be very careful in calling God a liar, even in jest. It may simply be that you have many things yet to learn...

You say that God’s promise was “eternal” (owlam), meaning forever. But have you considered that God said many things were to be eternal. The feasts were to be kept forever, as well as all the commandments and ordinances (Deuteronomy 12:28), including keeping the lamp supplied with oil and the light burning in the Holy Place was to be “forever.” (Exodus 27:20-21) The clothing prescribed to be worn by the priests when they ministered in the sanctuary was an ordinance “forever.” (Exodus 28:40-43) The breast and the shoulder of Israel’s peace-offering that became the wave- and heave-offering belonging to the priests was to be “forever” (Exodus 29:27-28). And the ordinance that the priests were to wash their hands and feet at the brazen sea before ministering in the Sanctuary was to be “forever.” (Exodus 30:17-21) And I could go on and on and on. But perhaps the most obvious is that the sacrifice of the goat “for Jehovah” and the sprinkling of its blood to make atonement for sin on the Day of Atonement was also to be a sacrifice that was to be offered up to God “forever.” (Leviticus 16:29-34)

So what happened? All these sacrifices and ordinances obviously have ceased and there hasn’t been a sacrifice made or an ordinance kept according to the Law since the generation in which Jesus instituted the New Covenant. Nor will there be ever again.

But God said all these things too would be … forever.

So perhaps you should be a little more cautious in your statements about God’s character because obviously there are some things about “forever” you have yet to understand.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[psychomom]

I know what the clay was too and the little horn but i wont
say till i get some fresh jalopino bagals and some fresh cut salmon

ooh, could my bagel be whole grain?

(see what i did there? just assumed you would share. )

 

[Elin]

lol.. sorry, Just because you claim it was answered does not make it so..

I proved to you they were two kingdoms.. You have not shown how they are not

God's disagreement with you was presented here.