Does God Love Sinners?

lesjude · Mar 2, 2013

Does God Love Sinners?
What does the Bible say? No person by a free will choice will ever choose the foolishness of Christianity which the Bible clearly says: 1 Corinthians 1:23-24, John 3:19-21, John 6:37 and 65 Romans 3:10-18. However that there is one God is revealed in His creation as Acts 14:17 and Romans chapters 1 and 2 say. This is all that God requires to judge them.

IF anyone is elect by God's predestined choice he will hear the gospel and receive Jesus. It may even be by a dream, vision, or other supernatural means. God loves His elect and all of them will choose to receive Jesus.

Many believe that God looked down eternity and chose the ones that would make a freewill choice to receive salvation. This cannot be true because it would mean that salvation is not by grace and man can do something on his own to receive it. According to the scripture salvation is by grace through faith. It has to be understood that if God had not predestined a FEW to be saved NONE would ever be. Clearly the Bible teaches that humanity would never "freely" choose the foolishness of Christianity.

God does not love sinners in the sense that there is anything about them or their lives to love. They disgust Him. In fact He drowned ALL of them at one point. God's very nature is love so he gave them 120 years of Noah preaching and building an ark for them to repent or even build their own ark. God will again judge sinners at the close of this age with fire.
Here is God's clear feelings about the non elect sinners: Romans 1:18-32
Here is God's love for His predestined elect saints even while they were sinners: John 17:20-26 and Ephesians 2:1-10

Christianity today has a false message in that they tell the sinner God loves them. This gives them the false impression that there is something about them that God does not hate and condemn. The truth is God's nature is love so He sent Jesus to make it possible for sinners to be made righteous, forsake sin, and be loved by God. There is a BIG difference. Sin and sinners disgust God.

This false message of God's love for sinners has had predictable results. Unrepentant sodomites have been accepted as Christians and organized "churches".

Abiding · Mar 2, 2013

lesjude said:

Does God Love Sinners?
What does the Bible say? No person by a free will choice will ever choose the foolishness of Christianity which the Bible clearly says: 1 Corinthians 1:23-24, John 3:19-21, John 6:37 and 65 Romans 3:10-18. However that there is one God is revealed in His creation as Acts 14:17 and Romans chapters 1 and 2 say. This is all that God requires to judge them.

IF anyone is elect by God's predestined choice he will hear the gospel and receive Jesus. It may even be by a dream, vision, or other supernatural means. God loves His elect and all of them will choose to receive Jesus.

Many believe that God looked down eternity and chose the ones that would make a freewill choice to receive salvation. This cannot be true because it would mean that salvation is not by grace and man can do something on his own to receive it. According to the scripture salvation is by grace through faith. It has to be understood that if God had not predestined a FEW to be saved NONE would ever be. Clearly the Bible teaches that humanity would never "freely" choose the foolishness of Christianity.

God does not love sinners in the sense that there is anything about them or their lives to love. They disgust Him. In fact He drowned ALL of them at one point. God's very nature is love so he gave them 120 years of Noah preaching and building an ark for them to repent or even build their own ark. God will again judge sinners at the close of this age with fire.
Here is God's clear feelings about the non elect sinners: Romans 1:18-32
Here is God's love for His predestined elect saints even while they were sinners: John 17:20-26 and Ephesians 2:1-10

Christianity today has a false message in that they tell the sinner God loves them. This gives them the false impression that there is something about them that God does not hate and condemn. The truth is God's nature is love so He sent Jesus to make it possible for sinners to be made righteous, forsake sin, and be loved by God. There is a BIG difference. Sin and sinners disgust God.

This false message of God's love for sinners has had predictable results. Unrepentant sodomites have been accepted as Christians and organized "churches".

You contradicted yourself when you said God was Love and waited 120yrs for men to repent right
after you said they couldnt if they were not chosen. so thats a mess you got there. And i wonder why
you could even think God waited. Didnt He know noone would believe Since He knew who He elected?

Blain · Mar 2, 2013

God loves his elect and sinners, because under that dirty cover known as sin he see's who we really are.( No person by a free will choice will ever choose the foolishness of Christianity ) I do not understand what you mean here, to be a christian it requires free will. It takes the choice to follow him, and as for it being foolish that is how it may seem to many people.

JimJimmers · Mar 2, 2013

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

So you're saying that only certain people can be saved. So what do you recommend we tell sinners? That God hates them? I suppose it doesn't matter what we tell them since they can never be saved in your little world, right?

Cobus · Mar 2, 2013

This is GOOD, and I read all the texts you put out to read. Actually the whole Bible looks as though He contradicts Himself a lot, but when you read and God reveals it makes sence....

I see this and I know there are truly FEW chosen.... God said MANY are called, Few are chosen... God called way more people than what He saved....

So the CALLING of God is not the salvation, it is the ELECTION or CHOSEN of God that would be saved...

And this is the thing, LOOK what Jesus said about the CHOSEN and the ELECT... Firstly he said they shall know the Truth,,, and the Truth shall make them free... But the Word also say... other knew the Truth, and held it in unrighteousness... WOW! Rom 1:18.... But the ones that was made free by the truth they do this....they were SANCTIFIED in Truth to.... KEEP THE WORD OF GOD and that is how they SHOW they LOVE God... and God shall love them, and make His abode with them...God says EVERYONE that is of the Truth, shall heareth JEsus voice.... John 18:37... And He says,,, Rejoice not in iniquity (sin) but in TRUTH!

I get the same message... in this VERSE... Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

I ask God.... Lord help me to worship You, and help me to DO YOUR WILL, AMEN!

cfultz3 · Mar 2, 2013

But what if it is the wickedness of the wicked He despises. What if He loves us so much that He sent His Son to die for us so that we would not have to be separated from Him? What if.....

Cobus · Mar 2, 2013

Blain said:

My friend look at these verses... John 14:22 and 23.... Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
To keep Jesus' words is a TALL order.... Just read the Bible and you will see... But the REWARD is GREAT.
God already showed HIS love by offering His Son... He loved FIRST!

Earlmayknowornot · Mar 3, 2013

It is my belief that Jesus gave himself on the cross for everyone who would live or have lived. However, God will not force himself on anyone. It is scripture that whosoever believing upon him and does not doubt their heart the same shall be saved. So anyone who hears the gospel can be saved. No one is predestined. With that being said, God is all knowing. He knows what decision we are going to make tomorrow and even next year. How else could He give prophecy. It is our choice.

Even to the point that He accounts our faith greater than that of the Apostles. Because, we have only heard and not seen. They all saw Him and we have not.

crossnote · Mar 3, 2013

Earlmayknowornot said:

so God is some kind of news reporter that has the scoop before it happens? If it was all up to human choice the plan of redemption either would never have happened or it was the Greatest Coincidence ever to hit planet earth.

crossnote · Mar 3, 2013

lesjude said:

Does God Love Sinners?
What does the Bible say? No person by a free will choice will ever choose the foolishness of Christianity which the Bible clearly says: 1 Corinthians 1:23-24, John 3:19-21, John 6:37 and 65 Romans 3:10-18. However that there is one God is revealed in His creation as Acts 14:17 and Romans chapters 1 and 2 say. This is all that God requires to judge them.

IF anyone is elect by God's predestined choice he will hear the gospel and receive Jesus. It may even be by a dream, vision, or other supernatural means. God loves His elect and all of them will choose to receive Jesus.

Many believe that God looked down eternity and chose the ones that would make a freewill choice to receive salvation. This cannot be true because it would mean that salvation is not by grace and man can do something on his own to receive it. According to the scripture salvation is by grace through faith. It has to be understood that if God had not predestined a FEW to be saved NONE would ever be. Clearly the Bible teaches that humanity would never "freely" choose the foolishness of Christianity.

God does not love sinners in the sense that there is anything about them or their lives to love. They disgust Him. In fact He drowned ALL of them at one point. God's very nature is love so he gave them 120 years of Noah preaching and building an ark for them to repent or even build their own ark. God will again judge sinners at the close of this age with fire.
Here is God's clear feelings about the non elect sinners: Romans 1:18-32
Here is God's love for His predestined elect saints even while they were sinners: John 17:20-26 and Ephesians 2:1-10

Christianity today has a false message in that they tell the sinner God loves them. This gives them the false impression that there is something about them that God does not hate and condemn. The truth is God's nature is love so He sent Jesus to make it possible for sinners to be made righteous, forsake sin, and be loved by God. There is a BIG difference. Sin and sinners disgust God.

This false message of God's love for sinners has had predictable results. Unrepentant sodomites have been accepted as Christians and organized "churches".

Sorry, God was not a passive spectator in this sport. Who do you think Jesus was? A water boy for God? How about God in the flesh?
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
(2Co 5:19)

Don't tell me that isn't love.
Here, here is another for good measure...

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
(1Jn 4:10)

lesjude · Mar 3, 2013

Abiding said:

Yes, God knew but He waited because the elect needed the time to build the ark and prepare as God told them. God is long suffering, merciful, and gave all an opportunity to respond to the preaching of Noah. They made a free will choice to continue in their sin.
The fact that God is long suffering is not a contradict election/predestination. In His mercy he allowed sinners another 120 years of life.

lesjude · Mar 3, 2013

Blain said:

The Bible clearly says that no sinner will choose Jesus, seek God, or do anything but continue in at least some degree of sin. Romans 3:9-18. The elect must hear and respond to the gospel by their choice, but God from His side gives them grace to do so.

lesjude · Mar 3, 2013

No, the Bible clearly says only the elect predestined before time began will be saved. Only God knows which sinners are elect so the Gospel must be preached to all. If you read how the Gospel was preached in the book of Acts you will see nothing was said about God's love for sinners. Sinners were told they were under God's wrath, had an opportunity to escape that wrath, told to repent and believe Jesus died and rose again. There was no pleading or emotional appeals by those ministering. Signs were given to attest to the truth being preached but not always. The Athenians got one chance, scoffed, and most just kept on sinning. see Acts 17:22-34 The elect were drawn by the Holy Spirit and believed. see also Acts 2:47 and Acts 13:47-48.

lesjude · Mar 3, 2013

cfultz3 said:

God despises both the wicked and their wickedness: Psalm 53:5, Leviticus 20:23, Psalm 5:6, Hosea 9:15, Psalm 59:8, Romans 9:11-13

cfultz3 · Mar 3, 2013

lesjude said:

Did he despise you when He died for you?

lesjude · Mar 3, 2013

Cobus said:

The Bible clearly says Jesus only loves His elect chosen from before time began. Read John 17:20-26. He loved them first, died for them, and they were given and drawn to Him by the Father. No one else can come. John 6:37, 44, and 65-66.

piper27 · Mar 3, 2013

'for God so Loved the world...he gave his only begotten son. '
Thats what it says in my bible....

lesjude · Mar 3, 2013

cfultz3 said:

No, He loves the elect even while the are/were sinners. Here I am: Romans 8:29-30, Romans 8:16-17

cfultz3 · Mar 3, 2013

lesjude said:

But it says, God so loved the world that WHOSOEVER (no elect being spoken about here).....

What do we do about the WHOSOEVER?

lesjude · Mar 3, 2013

piper27 said:

In the Greek it reads For God loved the world SO he gave.... Do not leave out the operative word "BELIEVE". Only the elect will from all over the world.
The world hated and still hates Jesus and His elect saints. John 15:18-21. Here is what John 3:16 is saying about the world. It says those who believe and the world is in reference to all those gentiles who through Christ's sacrifice and had been elect would now be brought in to the Kingdom. He obviously did not mean the whole world would be saved.
[h=3]Revelation 5:9-10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And have made us[SUP][a][/SUP] kings[SUP][b][/SUP] and priests to our God;
And we[SUP][c][/SUP] shall reign on the earth.”

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