What does "limited atonement" mean?
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The problem is that if God is omniscient and knows when he creates us that we will choose to reject Jesus and go to hell,
and creates us anyway, then he is creating some to to go hell.
The conclusion is inescapable.
It is not the result of any theology, it is the result of logic.
The problem of God deliberately creating people for hell exists no matter what your theology.
It's the result of creation in omniscience, not theology.
and creates us anyway, then he is creating some to to go hell.
The conclusion is inescapable.
It is not the result of any theology, it is the result of logic.
The problem of God deliberately creating people for hell exists no matter what your theology.
It's the result of creation in omniscience, not theology.
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you cant have a limited atonement with "all" those "all" words in the bible
I mean it cant mean "all" not literally. jk
I agree sometimes "all" cant mean "all" without exception.
But then we surely have to be careful with interpreting the meaning.
I mean it cant mean "all" not literally. jk
I agree sometimes "all" cant mean "all" without exception.
But then we surely have to be careful with interpreting the meaning.
I guess thats the good thing for everyone then. Since all may not always mean all. We can interpret it any way we want, as long as it fits our belief system
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Agreed,, Thus we are left with one very important question.
Which senerio shows God as the loving God he claims to be.
1. God created the lost and condemned them to hell based on his soverignty alone, and did not give them a change to be redeemed.
2. God loves them so much like all people, He offered them the chance to be saved,, but they volontarily rejected his grace gift.
The first one plays right into the hand of satan, and is a horrifying thought, not only to the angels, who would see it. But also to the ones God saved when they see many of their loved ones who had no chance whatsoever to come to Christ, even if they wanted to. And this is supposed to keep people and angels for eternity not rebelling again? Knowing God is not really a God of love after all??
Number 2. No one can deny Gods love.. and will never be able to deny it again.. No one, not even those condemned, will be able to have an excuse or say God is not loving, It was them who turned it down. not God.. And no one will ever question the love of God ever again.
Which senerio shows God as the loving God he claims to be.
1. God created the lost and condemned them to hell based on his soverignty alone, and did not give them a change to be redeemed.
2. God loves them so much like all people, He offered them the chance to be saved,, but they volontarily rejected his grace gift.
The first one plays right into the hand of satan, and is a horrifying thought, not only to the angels, who would see it. But also to the ones God saved when they see many of their loved ones who had no chance whatsoever to come to Christ, even if they wanted to. And this is supposed to keep people and angels for eternity not rebelling again? Knowing God is not really a God of love after all??
Number 2. No one can deny Gods love.. and will never be able to deny it again.. No one, not even those condemned, will be able to have an excuse or say God is not loving, It was them who turned it down. not God.. And no one will ever question the love of God ever again.
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Yep, because he allowed them to live and gave them hope..Is that not more loving then not allowing them to live? and what would it show the angels if God only allowed people to be born that would chose him, and not everyone else.
I mean think of what would be thought in the angelic rhelm if God snapped his finger and destroyed everyone just because he wanted to. And allowed others just as guilty to live?
Yet again, God falling into satans lie.
Again, it is not Gods fault they turned him down, He did his work..
No, the pig is what you make God out to be,, In your fantasy eternity, there will be another rebellion, because creation will still not be convinced of Gods love, They will still see God as a being on a sleigh with all creation pulling it, And him using his whip to force us into submition so he can get what he wants..
Which is exactly the lie satan used to get 1/3 of the angels to fall. and caused adam and eve to chose self over God.
if this is the god you want to follow. You can have him.
I mean think of what would be thought in the angelic rhelm if God snapped his finger and destroyed everyone just because he wanted to. And allowed others just as guilty to live?
Yet again, God falling into satans lie.
Again, it is not Gods fault they turned him down, He did his work..
No, the pig is what you make God out to be,, In your fantasy eternity, there will be another rebellion, because creation will still not be convinced of Gods love, They will still see God as a being on a sleigh with all creation pulling it, And him using his whip to force us into submition so he can get what he wants..
Which is exactly the lie satan used to get 1/3 of the angels to fall. and caused adam and eve to chose self over God.
if this is the god you want to follow. You can have him.
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lol.. I did not bring up the question of a loving God creating people who will go to hell. I was agreeing with you.. And you want me to remove something which was your own argument?
you have not answered the question as to which one would prove a loving God.
is there a reason you can't do this?
you have not answered the question as to which one would prove a loving God.
is there a reason you can't do this?
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