Is infant baptism biblical?
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Do you mean God can use us to bring others to Christ, but it is all the work of God in us, and the conviction of the Holy Spirit upon others who may hear our words that brings them to God
Therefore the true work is God's but he uses us as vessels if you like to work through to bring others to Him
Then my statement was true implying that God does not wait on man! You just proved my point...I sure wish people would think before they post, INCLUDING ME <<<-----taking my log out...
Ops, this wasn't my statement...while God doesn't wait on man, He still uses man (in whatever condition) to bring forth His will, but not limited to man.
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dashadow
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I think a case can be made that infant baptism is biblical and a case can be made that it isn't. In the end, I don't see what harm can be done by doing it.
My wife was raised Catholic. She would probably tell you she's a non-practicing Catholic, whatever that means. I think she uses the term because she doesn't go to church. I was raised Baptist. But I would call myself non-denominational.
Though our children have never attended Catholic services, they were both christened at a Catholic church. That was my wife's choice. I intend to baptize my children under water, as I was in my teens, if they so choose at a later time.
My wife was raised Catholic. She would probably tell you she's a non-practicing Catholic, whatever that means. I think she uses the term because she doesn't go to church. I was raised Baptist. But I would call myself non-denominational.
Though our children have never attended Catholic services, they were both christened at a Catholic church. That was my wife's choice. I intend to baptize my children under water, as I was in my teens, if they so choose at a later time.
oh so water is now flesh...meaning amniotic fluid?
or the fact human bodies are composed of water?
but i see nothing at all in scripture that says its for accountability, or to re-baptize for re-commitment, or any of that.
maybe that idea is in scripture but i don't see it.
what are we saying about baptism again?
if it is meaningless, why would it make us more accountable?
if it makes us more accountable, shouldn't be absolutely be doing it for that very reason?
church history shows the anabaptists rebelling against baptism.
now look at that branch.
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eternally-gratefull
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Please tell me your joking sis,
Born of water spirit
born of flesh spirit
they both go together.
Your not serious about baptismal regeneration in water are you?
Jesus told him how to be born again in John 3: 16. no mention of baptism anywhere in the whole passage. don;t you think if God wanted nicodemus to know he was talking about baptism he would have came out and said it?
Rite, ritual or ceremony will save no one, that is a form of religion, salvation came to Zaccheaus because he had a change of heart. That was the deciding factor obviously to Christ
Go and make disciples in all nations baptising them(the already disciples) in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The convert wants to get baptised in accordance with biblical teaching.
Go and make disciples in all nations baptising them(the already disciples) in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The convert wants to get baptised in accordance with biblical teaching.
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
two separate things said there.
being baptized and receiving the gift of the Spirit.
One act, One baptism, One Spirit.
Paul doesn't say "To be baptized in the Lord Jesus Christ is to be immersed in His grace for the work He has done on the cross"
Paul clearly says we are baptized us into Christ's death and raised in His resurrection.
this:
“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
does not say this:
Repent and be baptized in the Spirit every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins
i don't think we can use Acts as our model for today.
it was the great transition from the old Covenant to the New.
the Spirit was poured out at Pentecost on those who were there.
all the power from on High was for a reason.
anyways, it's all good Bookends.
all good.
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i said i am not addressing baptismal regeneration at this time.
if you choose to make flesh mean water, that's up to you.
this is about water baptism.
not every verse in scripture has to have baptism in it.
it's in the simple Gospel message, the Great Commission.
people can make it Spirit Baptism or water & Spirit.
flesh has nothing to do with either.
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eternally-gratefull
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if you chose to make water mean baptism. YOU ARE ADRESSING baptismal regeneration, because you are saying we are born again by being baptised in water.
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No. this is about being born again. (john 3 was about being born again) Not about baptism. Only those who add the defenition of water to mean baptism make it mean baptism. thus they claim we must be baptised to be born again, thus they preach baptismal regeneration. no two ways around it.
lol Baptism has nothing to do with water.. Spirit or otherwise.
shall I enter my mothers womb again (water)
That which is born of flesh is physical birth. Physical birth is being born in out of the water of the womb. Even nicodemos understood this!
oh rly?
no.....he thought the same thing you think.
go read The Lord's answer to him.
LOL.
why not send your memo to the church around the world. they're getting killed for nothing.
it's amniotic fluid, and the church has been blundering for 2000 years.
haha.
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BarlyGurl
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ya know... I just can't figure out what ya'll are arguing about.
The purpose of baptism is an ordinance to identify the new believer as being in Christ... to DIE, be buried, and rise again a new creature in Christ. The WATER= THE WORD= JESUS... as in you are now clothed in Him having recieved his DEATH burial and resurrection. A person who hasn't given themselves over to beleive, confess and recieve salvation... is just getting a bath with their clothes on... as water baptism does not save.
The purpose of baptism is an ordinance to identify the new believer as being in Christ... to DIE, be buried, and rise again a new creature in Christ. The WATER= THE WORD= JESUS... as in you are now clothed in Him having recieved his DEATH burial and resurrection. A person who hasn't given themselves over to beleive, confess and recieve salvation... is just getting a bath with their clothes on... as water baptism does not save.
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BarlyGurl
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Baptism has nothing to do with water.. Spirit or otherwise. Of Course which is why the the greek rendering is to IMMERSE and why the baptism of John was specifcally of WATER... ... has nothing to do with water tho.
shall I enter my mothers womb again (water) That which is born of flesh is physical birth. Physical birth is being born in out of the water of the womb. Even nicodemos understood this![/QUOTE] AHHH NEGATIVE... if you read he entire passage you should understand that Nicademous was confused by this 'saying" and Jesus had to correct his confusion. Sheesh... that is like ELEMENTARY Bible study.
... has nothing to do with water tho.shall I enter my mothers womb again (water) That which is born of flesh is physical birth. Physical birth is being born in out of the water of the womb. Even nicodemos understood this![/QUOTE] AHHH NEGATIVE... if you read he entire passage you should understand that Nicademous was confused by this 'saying" and Jesus had to correct his confusion. Sheesh... that is like ELEMENTARY Bible study.
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eternally-gratefull
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AHHH NEGATIVE... if you read he entire passage you should understand that Nicademous was confused by this 'saying" and Jesus had to correct his confusion. Sheesh... that is like ELEMENTARY Bible study.[/QUOTE]Baptism has nothing to do with water.. Spirit or otherwise. Of Course which is why the the greek rendering is to IMMERSE and why the baptism of John was specifcally of WATER...
shall I enter my mothers womb again (water) That which is born of flesh is physical birth. Physical birth is being born in out of the water of the womb. Even nicodemos understood this!
hey sis..
in the greek. baptizo means to immerse, or to plung or to "dye" it doe snot have the word water in it, men made up this theory which is nt founded in the origional word.. You can immerse or plung in anything.. even ancient greek texts show this..
yes the baptism of john was in water, that is why he said I immerse (baptize) in water. if the word ALWAYS meant water, he would not have to say water.
but he said jesus will baptize with the HS and fire.. no water involved, only the HS and fire..
as for elementary bible study, your joking right?
Must my go into my mothers womb and be born again. what do you think he meant by this?
elementary says jesus told him what he meant by being born again, and told him HOW to be born again.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? [SUP]13 [/SUP]No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. [SUP]14 [/SUP]As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; [SUP]15 [/SUP]so that whoever [SUP][d][/SUP]believes will in Him have eternal life (born again). [SUP]16 [/SUP]“For God so loved the world, that He gave His [SUP][e][/SUP]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (born Again) [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the [SUP][f][/SUP]only begotten Son of God.
Not one mention of baptism. only belief, why would jesus leave such an important aspect of the gospel out if it was essential to be saved?
Not to mention. jesus aksed, him, You being a teacher of the law do not understand this? Since baptism was NOT an aspect of the law in what it represented as to how one is saved. Why would nicodemus just automatically assume Jesus meant baptism. he would not.. it was NOT part of the law.