Is infant baptism biblical?

[eternally-gratefull]

oh rly?

no.....he thought the same thing you think.

go read The Lord's answer to him.

LOL.

why not send your memo to the church around the world. they're getting killed for nothing.
it's amniotic fluid, and the church has been blundering for 2000 years.
haha.

I don't know what happened to you.

I am not saying one should not get baptised. Why do yo think I am? do you hate me that much now your going to try to discredit everything I say?

I said John 3 is not baptism. this is NOT the same as saying I do not believe everyone should be baptized. for I do. If you can't do the first thing God commanded you to do after you are born again, then what would lead me or anyone else to think you could do anything God asked you to do?

any more mocking of me you would like to do??

 

[zone]

I am not saying one should not get baptised. Why do yo think I am?

why say they should be baptized if your water=flesh interpretation is correct?
they're being killed over it.
like i said.

stop pasting a hate label on me, from you, claiming my name is on it.

stop posting to me expecting some other result until you change your mind on the gentiles-get-the-shaft ideology, EG.
or not. stick the hate label on you, not me.
gentiles are having their heads blown off because some ppl say there's a Land Deal that needs fixing.
and it wouldn't be happening without christian zionism and it's twisted sisters.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Eg... I think you have a reading problem... since you went off on a tangent with some other test instead of sticking with the very one I spoke of... which does interpret itself. btw... I am fully aware baptismo means immerse or TO DIP. And yes, a scripture passage which interprets itself is ELEMENTARY. I have know idea what your purpose for throwing out the other scriptures are... I think I stated my case fairly clearly with my previous post regarding baptism... I have no interest in playing rabbit games over denominational divisions. If you will excuse me I have some cucumbers to baptize in vinegar....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

why say they should be baptized if your water=flesh interpretation is correct?

lol.. So they should be baptised because of one verse..

ok.......

they're being killed over it.
like i said.

No, they are being killed over the many passages which state quite clearly disciples, new believers, should be baptised.. And these people are obeying the commands of God.

People are being killed because they meet in homes to study gods word (assembling themselves together) also..

stop pasting a hate label on me, from you, claiming my name is on it.

then stop hating on me and being rude and sarcastic.. and treat me like your brother. which I am,

stop posting to me expecting some other result until you change your mind on the gentiles-get-the-shaft ideology, EG.

sorry, i can't change my mind about something I do not believe, I have never stated the gentiles get the shaft. thats your false interpretation of what I claim.. I can't help it if you will not open your mind even a tiny bit to understand what I believe.

or not. stick the hate label on you, not me.

I am not hating on you or anyone else. Your the one who declared war on me..

gentiles are having their heads blown off because some ppl say there's a Land Deal that needs fixing.
and it wouldn't be happening without christian zionism and it's twisted sisters.

1. I do not teach Christian Zionism. There is one way to heaven, always has, always will be. And it is not Zionism, It is not Islamic.

Isreal and Islam are brothers,, thats why they are fighting.. If you read the OT you would see this. You think we are going to stop it?

2. I did not condone 1500 jews getting locked in one of their tabernacles. and the people set it on fire and watch them burn to death, or many of the other atrocities which occured to them in the second century. because of the churches idea of God is done with the jews so we can declare war on them. I did not condone the church not allowing them to own land, or work the land (farm) so they could feed themselves. But only be able to handle money(Bank) and force them to charge up to 100 % interest. and cause everyone to hat them because they did not work to eat (farm) when they were not allowed, And stole from us (when the kingpins got most of the interest, the jews God hardly any) and cause the hate and murder of millions of Jews in the name of God..

Nor do I condone the killing of Palestinians or any one else so my enemy (isreal) can have their land back. Again, as I said before, two wrongs do not make a right. And god did not tell the church to kill people so isreal can have its land back. YOU ARE RIGHT! this is not from God.


Again, I find it amazing, you will not condemn what happened to the jews for hundredes of year by the very church which ruled the land.. Yet you will condemn me for something I do not even teach or believe or sponser.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eg... I think you have a reading problem... since you went off on a tangent with some other test instead of sticking with the very one I spoke of... which does interpret itself. btw... I am fully aware baptismo means immerse or TO DIP. And yes, a scripture passage which interprets itself is ELEMENTARY. I have know idea what your purpose for throwing out the other scriptures are... I think I stated my case fairly clearly with my previous post regarding baptism... I have no interest in playing rabbit games over denominational divisions. If you will excuse me I have some cucumbers to baptize in vinegar....

lol.. Yep, This response proved water in John 3 spoke of baptism.

Ok Thanks (rolls eyes)

 

[zone]

lol.. So they should be baptised because of one verse..

ok.......

lol....uh....ya.
laugh at baptism

No, they are being killed over the many passages which state quite clearly disciples, new believers, should be baptised.. And these people are obeying the commands of God.

then why are you making light of it half the time?
don't bother answering.

then stop hating on me and being rude and sarcastic.. and treat me like your brother. which I am,

i don't hate you.

i am not in fellowship with anyone who makes excuses for the atrocities and unbelief of the jews and claim it is in scripture.

it isn't.

all i want is a level-playing field for all people. for us to tell the Truth!
but you won't have it.

jews aren't special above all others, they have no licence to carry on as they do, millions and millions killed and dying and suffering over a stone somewhere in a pile of rubble that has nothing whatsoever to do with JESUS.

and a wall that is nothing more than the remains of a Roman fortress, Fort Antonia.

it's a sad situation, jews making an idol of, and praying and bowing at an old Roman Wall.

yet we say this is His PLAN for them!

sorry, i can't change my mind about something I do not believe, I have never stated the gentiles get the shaft. thats your false interpretation of what I claim.. I can't help it if you will not open your mind even a tiny bit to understand what I believe.

s-u-u-u-u-ure...the you-don't-know-what-i-believe cop-out
whatever.

i'll highlight on the (Pre)Millennial thread where your stuff fits in dispensationalism.
it could really help you, if you were open to the idea you're in error.
but you'll never admit that.

2. I did not condone 1500 jews getting locked in one of their tabernacles. and the people set it on fire and watch them burn to death, or many of the other atrocities which occured to them in the second century. because of the churches idea of God is done with the jews so we can declare war on them. I did not condone the church not allowing them to own land, or work the land (farm) so they could feed themselves. But only be able to handle money(Bank) and force them to charge up to 100 % interest. and cause everyone to hat them because they did not work to eat (farm) when they were not allowed, And stole from us (when the kingpins got most of the interest, the jews God hardly any) and cause the hate and murder of millions of Jews in the name of God..

Nor do I condone the killing of Palestinians or any one else so my enemy (isreal) can have their land back. Again, as I said before, two wrongs do not make a right. And god did not tell the church to kill people so isreal can have its land back. YOU ARE RIGHT! this is not from God.

Again, I find it amazing, you will not condemn what happened to the jews for hundredes of year by the very church which ruled the land.. Yet you will condemn me for something I do not even teach or believe or sponser.

more fantasies and false allegations.
more unknown history by you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

lol....uh....ya.
laugh at baptism



then why are you making light of it half the time?
don't bother answering.

as elin says, non responsive. I am not doing any of these things.. if you do not want to listen. thats your problem.

i don't hate you.

i am not in fellowship with anyone who makes excuses for the atrocities and unbelief of the jews and claim it is in scripture.

then why do you hate me.. Guess what. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS..

but again, you refuse to acknowledge this and bear false witness against me.

thats fine. Explain that to God why you bear false witness against your brother.

 

[zone]

as elin says, non responsive. I am not doing any of these things.. if you do not want to listen. thats your problem.




then why do you hate me.. Guess what. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS..

but again, you refuse to acknowledge this and bear false witness against me.

thats fine. Explain that to God why you bear false witness against your brother.

oh purleeze.
stop responding to my posts.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Mark 1:6-8 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached saying, There is one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

John 1:32,33 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Spirit.

This baptism in water changed with the new covenant. . .baptism in water only cleansed the outside; not the inside, the heart of a person.

John 16:5-7 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (the holy spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4,5 And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence.

Power from on high = being baptized with holy spirit.
A New Covenant through Jesus Christ our Lord:

Hebrews 9:6-13 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Spirit this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not made manifest, while the first tabernacle was yet standing. Which was a figure for the time the present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect as pertaining to the conscience, Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances imposed on them until the time of reformation. BUT Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

 

[zone]

Mark 1:6-8 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached saying, There is one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

John 1:32,33 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Spirit.

This baptism in water changed with the new covenant. . .baptism in water only cleansed the outside; not the inside, the heart of a person.

John 16:5-7 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (the holy spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Acts 1:4,5 And being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence.

Power from on high = being baptized with holy spirit.
A New Covenant through Jesus Christ our Lord:

Hebrews 9:6-13 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Spirit this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not made manifest, while the first tabernacle was yet standing. Which was a figure for the time the present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect as pertaining to the conscience, Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances imposed on them until the time of reformation. BUT Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

hi peaceful
did you not say you believe in dispensations of time (and this is an age of pure grace, beginning i believe with Paul's mission)?
i'm sorry if i confused you with someone else who uses blue text.
ty. i'll reply after clarification

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Hey zone. . . Yes, it was me that said that I believe in dispensations or different administrations which is what dispensation is. . .but regardless of whether I believe in different administrations. . .scripture is still scripture. I believe the administration of grace began with the "church" the body of Christ so that would be Acts.

Went to brown to distinguish myself. . .lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

oh purleeze.
stop responding to my posts.

Yeah, you are so afraid to admit I believe any of those things.. Thats to bad. Oh well.......

 

[zone]

Yeah, you are so afraid to admit I believe any of those things.. Thats to bad. Oh well.......

EG...well then why not repost right here what you believe.
just to clear up any misunderstanding.

what do you believe about this?

Daniel 9
Gabriel's Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks
20And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God; 21Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


clarify then.

 

[zone]

Hey zone. . . Yes, it was me that said that I believe in dispensations or different administrations which is what dispensation is. . .but regardless of whether I believe in different administrations. . .scripture is still scripture. I believe the administration of grace began with the "church" the body of Christ so that would be Acts.

Went to brown to distinguish myself. . .lol

hi peaceful.
no, that means you were the one who uses blue...lol.
but brown is okay too.

could you say where in Acts you believe the dispensation started?

(and did that particular dispensation cancel out or change the one just before it concerning baptism?)

please explain or cut & paste from a source so i can see the division.
there are many variations of dispensationalism, and this can be part of the issue.
let's start there (?)

is it Bullinger's particular dispensationalism?

and what do you mean "administrations"
lastly, could you show me a single passage in scripture which speaks of a dispensation(s)?
(i believe i know the one, but i will wait and see).
ty,
z

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG...well then why not repost right here what you believe.
just to clear up any misunderstanding.

what do you believe about this?

Daniel 9
Gabriel's Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks
20And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God; 21Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


clarify then.

Been there done that. For some reason your stuck on Daniel 9.. we will never convince each other, so why keep trying?

And I was not even talking about this, I was talking about Baptism. And making excuses for atrocitied and unbelief of Jews..

 

[zone]

And making excuses for atrocitied and unbelief of Jews..

not understanding Daniel 9 leads to making excuses for atrocities.
never mind then.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

not understanding Daniel 9 leads to making excuses for atrocities.
never mind then.

No Zone, it does not.. Because Romans 11 explains why these atrocities are going on. Because they are IN UNBELIEF.. which MAKES THEM MY ENEMY.

You want to think ONE passage explains all this stuff?? wow..

 

[peacefulbeliever]

hi peaceful.
no, that means you were the one who uses blue...lol.
but brown is okay too.

could you say where in Acts you believe the dispensation started?

(and did that particular dispensation cancel out or change the one just before it concerning baptism?)

please explain or cut & paste from a source so i can see the division.
there are many variations of dispensationalism, and this can be part of the issue.
let's start there (?)

is it Bullinger's particular dispensationalism?

and what do you mean "administrations"
lastly, could you show me a single passage in scripture which speaks of a dispensation(s)?
(i believe i know the one, but i will wait and see).
ty,
z

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BTW, Bullinger is not the only scholar that believes in dispensation. I sometimes say administrations which is the same meaning of the Greek word - oikonomia.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

BTW, Bullinger is not the only scholar that believes in dispensation. I sometimes say administrations which is the same meaning of the Greek word - oikonomia.

Thats the way I see it. It is how God administers his blessings and deals with people temporally on earth. Or Gods outline of human history. Just a way to look at historical things.. History books do it all the time.

Although some have taken a dangerous view of it is how God saved people in different ages.. which is not true at all.. It has always been of faith through Grace.

 

[zone]

No Zone, it does not.. Because Romans 11 explains why these atrocities are going on. Because they are IN UNBELIEF.. which MAKES THEM MY ENEMY.

You want to think ONE passage explains all this stuff?? wow..

Daniel 9 undoes your whole foundation.

Romans does not have jews judicially blinded for 2000 years until they are in control in Palestine.
in control of what?

these atrocities are going on because people loved the Scofield Reference Bible.
most deny that now though.

Deuteronomy 12:10
But you will cross the Jordan and settle in the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, and he will give you rest from all your enemies around you so that you will live in safety.

Joshua 21:45
Not one of all the LORD's good promises to the house of Israel failed; every one was fulfilled.

Joshua 23:14
"Now I am about to go the way of all the earth. You know with all your heart and soul that not one of all the good promises the LORD your God gave you has failed. Every promise has been fulfilled; not one has failed.

Joshua 23:15
But just as every good promise of the LORD your God has come true, so the LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you from this good land he has given you.

.....OFF TO BABYLON.....

Daniel 9:24
"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

.....RETURN FROM BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY (including all 12 tribes).....

Luke 20:17
Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone'?

1 Corinthians 3:11
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

.....WHERE'S THE RESET PART?....

Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.


why didn't Paul mention a RESTART? where did he say the non-existent PLAN A would kick back in 2000 years later after the ludicrous PLAN B gentile age was over?

he never, ever did say anything like that.
nothing.


Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.