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a DISPENSATION of a 1,000 year earthly rule using a combination of Mosaic Law and Judaic Glory and Gentile Christians and Grace from Old Jerusalem?

show me that!:) show me that please!
She can't show you that. Because their will BE NO MOSAIC LAW, OR JUDIAC GLORY in the millennial reign There will be JESUS GLORY, and JESUS LAW, and THATS IT.

yet again you prove you do not understand what we believe, you have what you have been pre-programed we believe, and your not even willing to show you might be wrong in what you were toaught about us.

Instead you make accusations WHICH ARE NOT TRUE
 
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because Judgement Day, or 70AD was not yet.
of course He stopped there.

He said the part He read was fullfilled that day.

that He had come to fulfill THE PROMISE.

so, what did He leave out?

a DISPENSATION of a 1,000 year earthly rule using a combination of Mosaic Law and Judaic Glory and Gentile Christians and Grace from Old Jerusalem?

show me that!:) show me that please!

if you have such a minute cutting and dividing of the Times, you ought to have a very precise explanation for that 1,000 years.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/59097-pre-millennialism-chiliaism-2.html < click

please go to this thread and specifically address posts 36 & 37.

if you can show me what happens in the Millennium, and what it is for, we can talk about it.

please go there, because it's the next step in this discussion.


if you have a dispensation ahead, please show me what it is...use Bullinger or Scofield or any other sources you have. please don't just quote mine scripture....also provide the sources you are actually using to come to your conclusions.

thanks.
Sorry, I really don't have any outside sources. . .I have believed this for a looooong time. I just know what I know and I know that for me. . maybe not for everyone. . but for me it has made the WHOLE of scripture fit together. Why can't I quote scripture? Shouldn't that be my rule for truth?

Yep, Jesus stopped reading because the vengeance of God is COMING - not here yet means that it must occur at another time ----

I will look at the other thread. . . .
 
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Sorry, I really don't have any outside sources. . .I have believed this for a looooong time. I just know what I know and I know that for me. . maybe not for everyone. . but for me it has made the WHOLE of scripture fit together. Why can't I quote scripture? Shouldn't that be my rule for truth?

Yep, Jesus stopped reading because the vengeance of God is COMING - not here yet means that it must occur at another time ----

I will look at the other thread. . . .
Peacefulbeliever,

I'm encouraged with your stance on the Bible and how you refer to scripture to interpret scripture! There has been nothing more freeing than learning about rightly dividing God's Word. I know what I believe also. I find most people in my life are very agitated with dispensationalism. I really don't understand it either, because it makes sooooo much sense! I came to this site hoping to find other like-minded believers and it's refreshing to see a few.
 
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She can't show you that. Because their will BE NO MOSAIC LAW, OR JUDIAC GLORY in the millennial reign There will be JESUS GLORY, and JESUS LAW, and THATS IT.

yet again you prove you do not understand what we believe, you have what you have been pre-programed we believe, and your not even willing to show you might be wrong in what you were toaught about us.

Instead you make accusations WHICH ARE NOT TRUE

Thanks, EG

 

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Peacefulbeliever,

I'm encouraged with your stance on the Bible and how you refer to scripture to interpret scripture! There has been nothing more freeing than learning about rightly dividing God's Word. I know what I believe also. I find most people in my life are very agitated with dispensationalism. I really don't understand it either, because it makes sooooo much sense! I came to this site hoping to find other like-minded believers and it's refreshing to see a few.
dispensationalism uses 'scripture to interpret scripture'?
'fraid not...it uses footnotes and commentary.

that's why people love it.

don't mistake me for someone who is agitated because i don't understand it.
i'm agitated because i do.
 

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Sorry, I really don't have any outside sources. . .I have believed this for a looooong time. I just know what I know and I know that for me. . maybe not for everyone. . but for me it has made the WHOLE of scripture fit together. Why can't I quote scripture? Shouldn't that be my rule for truth?

Yep, Jesus stopped reading because the vengeance of God is COMING - not here yet means that it must occur at another time ----

I will look at the other thread. . . .
i'm sorry peaceful.
i'm sure you're overlooking something concerning not having outside sources.:)

do you watch tv to study, or use the internet, or a dispensational footnote bible?
handouts from church?

you did not come to this belief on your own by using the bible, because it is not in scripture.

it ain't. at all.
 

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She can't show you that. Because their will BE NO MOSAIC LAW, OR JUDIAC GLORY in the millennial reign There will be JESUS GLORY, and JESUS LAW, and THATS IT.

yet again you prove you do not understand what we believe, you have what you have been pre-programed we believe, and your not even willing to show you might be wrong in what you were toaught about us.

Instead you make accusations WHICH ARE NOT TRUE
lay it on me EG.
now we're getting somewhere.

"There will be JESUS GLORY, and JESUS LAW, and THATS IT." in the 1,000 year future reign

document all that would ya?

oh ya....you can't.
at all.

i know what you believe. FUZZ....no answers to the big Millennial Challenge.
nothing.

and not one single dispie agrees with the next.
a whole lot of propping up and tweaking goes on though.
and it's all smoke and mirrors.

if you could have produced what goes down in the Millennium, you would have done so long ago.

that's why:























blanks...nothing but.

(but i don't know what you believe, because you will not fill in the blanks - from scripture - LET'S SEE IT!;))
 
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Zone,

I didn't learn dispensationalism through footnotes and commentary's. I was raised going to church. I sat under the teaching of covenant theologians for 40 years.

One day as I was reading my Bible I thought how is that James says Faith without Works is dead and yet Paul said in Romans 4 that we are justified by faith and NOT works.

This simple question led me to question everything about my faith...everything! I started listing all the verses that were contradictory and questioning how they fit. Then I read I Cor 15:1-4. It changed my life. I was saved because I believed...nothing added, nothing taken away. I started researching and found there were people that taught "rightly dividing the Word of God" something I had never heard of in 40 years of sitting in chuch 3x a week. Within a year..quit going to church as I could not find one that taught what I now knew was the truth. Today I cannot get enough time in the Bible. I still do not need commentary's and footnotes, but I will tell you I switched from an NIV to KJV :)

We do not have to believe the same way. It makes it very difficult to communicate when two people disagree and would fall on their sword for their belief. I'm not here to change your mind. Like I said earlier, I'm just so happy to know there are other people that are like-minded in what I beleive. I will not argue scripture. I will explain if someone wants to hear it, but I stop when they are not interested.

I bet we can agree on that Jesus Christ died for us, was buried and rose the third day? If so, we are better for it! We will spend eternity together and then we will learn all the details of right and wrong understanding of scripture.
 

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Zone,
I didn't learn dispensationalism through footnotes and commentary's. I was raised going to church. I sat under the teaching of covenant theologians for 40 years.

One day as I was reading my Bible I thought how is that James says Faith without Works is dead and yet Paul said in Romans 4 that we are justified by faith and NOT works.

This simple question led me to question everything about my faith...everything! I started listing all the verses that were contradictory and questioning how they fit. Then I read I Cor 15:1-4. It changed my life. I was saved because I believed...nothing added, nothing taken away. I started researching and found there were people that taught "rightly dividing the Word of God" something I had never heard of in 40 years of sitting in chuch 3x a week. Within a year..quit going to church as I could not find one that taught what I now knew was the truth. Today I cannot get enough time in the Bible. I still do not need commentary's and footnotes, but I will tell you I switched from an NIV to KJV :)

We do not have to believe the same way. It makes it very difficult to communicate when two people disagree and would fall on their sword for their belief. I'm not here to change your mind. Like I said earlier, I'm just so happy to know there are other people that are like-minded in what I beleive. I will not argue scripture. I will explain if someone wants to hear it, but I stop when they are not interested.

I bet we can agree on that Jesus Christ died for us, was buried and rose the third day? If so, we are better for it! We will spend eternity together and then we will learn all the details of right and wrong understanding of scripture.
fair enough.

"I started researching and found there were people that taught "rightly dividing the Word of God" something I had never heard of in 40 years of sitting in chuch 3x a week. Within a year..quit going to church as I could not find one that taught what I now knew was the truth. "

that is what i meant.
sources:)

that was what i wondered if you would link me to.
what you ended up researching.

no worries if you're not comfortable doing it.
it's just a side-issue for me...a hobby basically:rolleyes:

i know there are ppl who teach it.
dispensationalism that is.
i'm against it.

I Cor 15:1-4 is supposed to change the jews' lives also.
but dispensationalism (which i lay at the feet of christians btw - though it originated from within judaism) has ruined that.
that's one reason i'm against it.

another reason i'm against it is because of the infantile belief some have that this is 'the gospel' for the Plan B Gentile Church (age):



"I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." Genesis 12:1-3

God has promised to bless the man or nation that blesses the Chosen People. History has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the nations that have blessed the Jewish people have had the blessing of God; the nations that have cursed the Jewish people have experienced the curse of God.


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yes, that corruption is working out for everyone.
take care then.
 
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another reason i'm against it is because of the infantile belief some have that this is 'the gospel' for the Plan B Gentile Church (age):
I thought Isaiah said God told him that it was the plan all along.

Isaiah 49

[SUP]6 [/SUP]he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”





Isaiah 42

[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is what God the Lord says—
the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
who gives breath to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.

HMMM makes one wonder
 
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Yep, that's the agitation I was speaking of :)

btw, I love the Jewish people like anyone else. We are all saved the same today, Jews and Gentiles alike...we make up the Body of Christ.
I do agree, the Jews are the Chosen and they will make up the Kingdom on earth, but you already know what I believe, so oh well.
 

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I thought Isaiah said God told him that it was the plan all along.

Isaiah 49

[SUP]6 [/SUP]he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”





Isaiah 42

[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is what God the Lord says—
the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,
who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,
who gives breath to its people,
and life to those who walk on it:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
I will take hold of your hand.
I will keep you and will make you
to be a covenant for the people
and a light for the Gentiles,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]to open eyes that are blind,
to free captives from prison
and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.

HMMM makes one wonder

that's what i don't get.
why it's all skipped over.
(well, i do get why...it just astounds me though).

but, apparently He isn't really King and The Promises weren't fulfilled.
such a shame.

hooking up to some other religion and calling it God's Plan.


Acts 26

22To this day I have had the help that comes from God, and so I stand here testifying both to small and great, saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come to pass: 23that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.”

24And as he was saying these things in his defense, Festus said with a loud voice, “Paul, you are out of your mind; your great learning is driving you out of your mind.” 25But Paul said, “I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I am speaking true and rational words. 26For the king knows about these things, and to him I speak boldly. For I am persuaded that none of these things has escaped his notice, for this has not been done in a corner. 27King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know that you believe.” 28And Agrippa said to Paul, “In a short time would you persuade me to be a Christian?”b 29And Paul said, “Whether short or long, I would to God that not only you but also all who hear me this day might become such as I am—except for these chains.”


i wonder why Paul didn't get his own memo.
 

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Yep, that's the agitation I was speaking of :)
right.

btw, I love the Jewish people like anyone else. We are all saved the same today, Jews and Gentiles alike...we make up the Body of Christ.
right.

I do agree, the Jews are the Chosen and they will make up the Kingdom on earth, but you already know what I believe, so oh well.
oh...where will these people be when the Jews the Chosen people are in the Kingdom on earth?:

Jews and Gentiles alike...we make up the Body of Christ.
where will the Body of Christ be while the Jews are in a Kingdom on earth?
do i misunderstand you?

and what will the Jews be doing?
will they be there alone?
no King?

who are they reigning over?

please explain it because so far no one, not one person has ever, not one time, at any time from any source in scripture, ever ever been able to document a parallel existence.

how does it work? where can i find it?:)
 

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lay it on me EG.
now we're getting somewhere.

"There will be JESUS GLORY, and JESUS LAW, and THATS IT." in the 1,000 year future reign

document all that would ya?

oh ya....you can't.
at all.

i know what you believe. FUZZ....no answers to the big Millennial Challenge.
nothing.

and not one single dispie agrees with the next.
a whole lot of propping up and tweaking goes on though.
and it's all smoke and mirrors.

if you could have produced what goes down in the Millennium, you would have done so long ago.

that's why:























blanks...nothing but.

(but i don't know what you believe, because you will not fill in the blanks - from scripture - LET'S SEE IT!;))



Do people not document it, or do you just not acknowlege it because it doesn't support your view?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/59261-why-what-rule-christ.html
 

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Here it is in case it's too much trouble to click the link


What Will The Rule of Christ be Like?

Having rejected both God and Jesus, the world under the horde’s authority goes thru it’s catastrophes, with history repeating itself again and again. In the end these events increase in frequency and severity, until finally it’s just constant woe. Jesus says enough, and comes to take authority over creation on earth. As He comes we are caught up to meet him, where some enter into a feast and others are shut out. He then returns to earth with us to take authority. So how will that work?

In Revelation 18 - 20, we see that Satan is bound for the 1,000 years and unable to act any longer. John is shown thrones, and judgment is given to those who are seated upon them. He sees those who were beheaded for Jesus’ name, those who did not worship the beast or his image, and those who did not take the mark of the beast. These live and reign with Christ for the 1,000 years. John is told that blessed are those who are Holy and have a part in it, for over them a second death has no power. And they shall be kings and priests with Christ for 1,000 years.

We see here those who died for Jesus’ sake during the tribulation are put upon thrones to exercise judgment and authority with Christ on earth for the thousand years. We are told that having suffered as they did in their first death, they will not face the second, which comes at the very end.

John also sees that with the return of Jesus’ rule, the world is delivered from the bondage of corruption and returned to its garden state. Swords and spears beget plowshares and pruning hooks, and there is peace between the nations and no more war. Micah 4 speaks of the same things. God makes a covenant with the animals and ceases the violence, that all may lie down safely, and the earth responds with grain, wine, and oil. Isaiah 11, 13, and Ezekiel 34 and 36 also talk about nature being restored and man being at peace with the animals.

All creation was impacted by man’s fall, and so all creation will be impacted by man’s redemption. On His way into Jerusalem, Jesus said that if He commanded the people to be quiet the rocks would cry out (Luke 19:39-40). And Paul tells us all creation groans for redemption (Rom 8:22). And all creation shall have it under Christ’s rule. To digress, those who have pondered the fate of beloved pets should take some comfort in knowing that God has not forgotten the animals.

What purpose does the 1,000 years serve (the word millenium is actually never used in the Bible)? The Messiah’s job is to restore all that was lost when Adam gave up his authority. Part of what was lost was our connection to the 90% of the universe that we can’t see or detect, but know thanks to science and faith is there. Remember, the garden of Eden wasn’t destroyed, we were kicked out of it. Now, finally under the authority of Jesus, we will see our access to that garden restored here on earth.

God also tells us that a single, pure language (which man lost at the tower of Babel[1]) will be restored[2]. Remember, under the original plan man had a single spiritual language. To restore the plan, man would again have a single spiritual language. As Jesus has already won the authority to restore things, we can exercise that linguistic authority here and now thru the conduit of the Holy Spirit. This is what speaking in tongues is all about, it is the exercising of our future restored spiritual language thru the Holy Spirit now. Tongues will not actually stop, they will cease to be known as tongues. And that’s because it’s really our native language in the end. We’re reading English as a second language, and some day it will be known as the tongue.

And please note that not everyone dies in the tribulation/wrath, and not everyone is caught up to be with Jesus upon His return. Remember, this is the end of an age, not the end of the world. There will be survivors, a remnant of this old world that remains to experience this revival with us.

Ah, peace, tranquility, and harmony, in a garden setting. The world running as it was designed to run. By the One who best knows how it was built. Sounds too good to last, don’t it?

What’s been happening with ol’ satan?

Back in Rev. 20:1-6 we saw that he was bound, made unable to act any longer, and locked in the Abyss while Christ reigns for the 1,000 years. John goes on (7-15) to describe what happens at the end of this time. Satan is released after the 1,000 years, and goes forth to deceive the nations and gather them for battle. They surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire comes down from God and consumes them. Satan is then cast into the lake of fire, where he is tormented eternally. John then sees God on the Great White Throne, and heaven and earth disappear from His presence. All of the world’s dead stand before God and the books are opened. Then the Book of Life is opened, and anyone whose name is not found in it is also cast into the lake of fire. Then a new heaven and earth appear, because the old has passed away. John goes on to describe the new earth, which we’ll cover in another chapter.

1 Cor 15:20-28 talks about the why and order of the resurrection, then the end of the age when the Kingdom is handed over to God. He reigns until every enemy is put under His feet, the last enemy being death. In Rev. 20:11-15 we find that the second death is the lake of fire, after all creation flees from before the Great White Throne.

So, after 1,000 years of Christ’s unimpeded rule over the restored garden on earth, Satan is let loose to once again make a play for authority. Just when it looks like the chips are about to fall, God says enough and burns their arses. That’s when we see the end of this creation, when it devolves into an ever consuming fire before the Great White Throne.

We can delineate the end of the age vs the end of time by what’s happening to satan. At the end of the age, when Christ returns, satan is bound and locked in the abyss from whence he’ll be eventually freed. At the end of time, satan is cast into the lake of fire and forgotten for eternity.

But – and this is the best part – we will see this world in it’s garden state as God intended, and then witness the first day of a new creation. How awesome is that, to see the first ‘sunrise’ of a whole new universe. And knowing that this time it’ll evolve His way. Wow. I can’t wait.


[HR][/HR][1] Genesis 11:10


[2] Zeph. 3
 

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The following is from The Christian Faith, by Dallas M. Roark, PhD: the highlighting is mine

Pre-millennialism–
This view asserts that Christ will return to earth before a millennium or a thousand-year-period of his rule. There are two general varieties of premillennial systems.

Historic premillennialism-- This system can be sketched as follows concerning the event to take place in the future.
1. A great apostasy will take place before the coming of Christ. This will be joined with persecution of the church.
2 Christ then comes to "rapture" or take out the church from the world. The dead in Christ are raised at this time, and the living are transformed to be like him.
3 Following this, Christ comes to the earth to destroy the AntiChrist This is followed by the judgment described in Matthew 25 (sheep and goats), whereby the destinies of the righteous and the unrighteous are pronounced.
4 The millennial kingdom is inaugurated, during which Satan is bound and the yet unrighteous nations are ruled with a "rod of iron"
5 As the millennium draws to a close, Satan is permitted to be free whereby he gathers in peoples of the earth to wage war against the saints, but the forces of evil are destroyed by fire.
6 Then a second resurrection takes place, the raising of the wicked from death, and the white throne judgment is to follow (Rev_20:11-15)
7. The end of all things is for a new beginning. A new heaven and a new earth are brought into being and the eternal kingdom of God begins (Rev_21:1-4 ).10

Dispensational premillennialism.--This is a variation of the historic premillennial position. A popular source of this variety is the Scofield Reference Bible. Dispensational premillennialism could be said to have the following variations:
1. The second coming of Christ is in two stages: a coming for the church before the tribulation begins, and a coming with his church after the tribulation. (The tribulation is a period of terrible persecution and harassment upon the earth.) Some speak of a secret coming for the church, in which the believers are taken out of the world (secretly) before Christ comes visibly to the world.
2. When Christ comes for the church the Holy Spirit will cease his activity in the world.
3. A second resurrection takes place after the tribulation for those who have come to believe during it and were martyred for their belief.
4. When Christ comes with his church, many Jews will believe and live in the millennium.
5. The kingdom is predominantly Jewish in nature. Temple worship will be established in Jerusalem.

Some problems attendant to dispensationalism are: its Jewish emphasis on the restoration of the Temple in the presence of Christ who is the end of sacrifice, the conversion of people without the presence of the Holy Spirit, and the question of whether a future millennium is legitimate. The assessment may be made that without Revelation 20, the question of a future millennium would never come up. Most of the references in the New Testament speak of the consummation of the age without any indication of a long period of time required for a thousand-year reign of Christ. For many critics of the different forms of millennialism it appears that a towering theological structure has been built upon a highly symbolic passage in a book whose symbolism is intense. Can one justify a system of thought that is built upon a book so obscure in meaning?

 
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We should no5 be following a "Founder" but gleam what is good and through out the bad. No human writings or thought is without some err, except the original manuscripts of the bible, which we don't have.
Ok so are you saying that Luther and Calvin made errors in writing these things? Just curious. Not trying to imply or get at anything. Peace.
 

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Here it is in case it's too much trouble to click the link


What Will The Rule of Christ be Like?

Having rejected both God and Jesus, the world under the horde’s authority goes thru it’s catastrophes, with history repeating itself again and again. In the end these events increase in frequency and severity, until finally it’s just constant woe. Jesus says enough, and comes to take authority over creation on earth. As He comes we are caught up to meet him, where some enter into a feast and others are shut out. He then returns to earth with us to take authority. So how will that work?

In Revelation 18 - 20, we see that Satan is bound for the 1,000 years and unable to act any longer. John is shown thrones, and judgment is given to those who are seated upon them. He sees those who were beheaded for Jesus’ name, those who did not worship the beast or his image, and those who did not take the mark of the beast. These live and reign with Christ for the 1,000 years. John is told that blessed are those who are Holy and have a part in it, for over them a second death has no power. And they shall be kings and priests with Christ for 1,000 years.

We see here those who died for Jesus’ sake during the tribulation are put upon thrones to exercise judgment and authority with Christ on earth for the thousand years. We are told that having suffered as they did in their first death, they will not face the second, which comes at the very end.

John also sees that with the return of Jesus’ rule, the world is delivered from the bondage of corruption and returned to its garden state. Swords and spears beget plowshares and pruning hooks, and there is peace between the nations and no more war. Micah 4 speaks of the same things. God makes a covenant with the animals and ceases the violence, that all may lie down safely, and the earth responds with grain, wine, and oil. Isaiah 11, 13, and Ezekiel 34 and 36 also talk about nature being restored and man being at peace with the animals.

All creation was impacted by man’s fall, and so all creation will be impacted by man’s redemption. On His way into Jerusalem, Jesus said that if He commanded the people to be quiet the rocks would cry out (Luke 19:39-40). And Paul tells us all creation groans for redemption (Rom 8:22). And all creation shall have it under Christ’s rule. To digress, those who have pondered the fate of beloved pets should take some comfort in knowing that God has not forgotten the animals.

What purpose does the 1,000 years serve (the word millenium is actually never used in the Bible)? The Messiah’s job is to restore all that was lost when Adam gave up his authority. Part of what was lost was our connection to the 90% of the universe that we can’t see or detect, but know thanks to science and faith is there. Remember, the garden of Eden wasn’t destroyed, we were kicked out of it. Now, finally under the authority of Jesus, we will see our access to that garden restored here on earth.

God also tells us that a single, pure language (which man lost at the tower of Babel[1]) will be restored[2]. Remember, under the original plan man had a single spiritual language. To restore the plan, man would again have a single spiritual language. As Jesus has already won the authority to restore things, we can exercise that linguistic authority here and now thru the conduit of the Holy Spirit. This is what speaking in tongues is all about, it is the exercising of our future restored spiritual language thru the Holy Spirit now. Tongues will not actually stop, they will cease to be known as tongues. And that’s because it’s really our native language in the end. We’re reading English as a second language, and some day it will be known as the tongue.

And please note that not everyone dies in the tribulation/wrath, and not everyone is caught up to be with Jesus upon His return. Remember, this is the end of an age, not the end of the world. There will be survivors, a remnant of this old world that remains to experience this revival with us.

Ah, peace, tranquility, and harmony, in a garden setting. The world running as it was designed to run. By the One who best knows how it was built. Sounds too good to last, don’t it?

What’s been happening with ol’ satan?

Back in Rev. 20:1-6 we saw that he was bound, made unable to act any longer, and locked in the Abyss while Christ reigns for the 1,000 years. John goes on (7-15) to describe what happens at the end of this time. Satan is released after the 1,000 years, and goes forth to deceive the nations and gather them for battle. They surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire comes down from God and consumes them. Satan is then cast into the lake of fire, where he is tormented eternally. John then sees God on the Great White Throne, and heaven and earth disappear from His presence. All of the world’s dead stand before God and the books are opened. Then the Book of Life is opened, and anyone whose name is not found in it is also cast into the lake of fire. Then a new heaven and earth appear, because the old has passed away. John goes on to describe the new earth, which we’ll cover in another chapter.

1 Cor 15:20-28 talks about the why and order of the resurrection, then the end of the age when the Kingdom is handed over to God. He reigns until every enemy is put under His feet, the last enemy being death. In Rev. 20:11-15 we find that the second death is the lake of fire, after all creation flees from before the Great White Throne.

So, after 1,000 years of Christ’s unimpeded rule over the restored garden on earth, Satan is let loose to once again make a play for authority. Just when it looks like the chips are about to fall, God says enough and burns their arses. That’s when we see the end of this creation, when it devolves into an ever consuming fire before the Great White Throne.

We can delineate the end of the age vs the end of time by what’s happening to satan. At the end of the age, when Christ returns, satan is bound and locked in the abyss from whence he’ll be eventually freed. At the end of time, satan is cast into the lake of fire and forgotten for eternity.

But – and this is the best part – we will see this world in it’s garden state as God intended, and then witness the first day of a new creation. How awesome is that, to see the first ‘sunrise’ of a whole new universe. And knowing that this time it’ll evolve His way. Wow. I can’t wait.


[HR][/HR][1] Genesis 11:10


[2] Zeph. 3

The why and what of the Rule of Christ


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