Is abortion murder?

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DarkVoid
I am not going to criticize your viewpoint as your reasoning in some ways are actually sound , but this is only because the teachings of some churches are infact fasle , eg : some churches actually teach that God allows people to die becasue God wants "more angels in Heaven" but this is a false teaching and does not support the bible
.James 1:13[SUP]13[/SUP] When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.

1 John 4:8
[SUP]8[/SUP] He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love.

But please read this, which highlights from from the bible that people that do abortions will be personally blood guilty and liable for that child., and reply with your thoughts.





Abortion

Definition: Abortion is the expulsion of an embryo or a foetus that is not normally able to live outside the womb. Spontaneous abortion or miscarriage may result from human imperfection or from an accident. Deliberately induced abortion simply to avoid the birth of an unwanted child is the willful taking of human life.

How should the Source of human life affect our view of this matter?

Acts 17:28: “By him [God] we have life and move and exist.”

Ps. 36:9: “With you [Jehovah God] is the source of life.”

Rom. 14:12: “Each of us will render an account for himself to God.”

Does Jehovah view the life of a child as precious even during the very early stages of development after conception?

Ps. 139:13-16: “You [Jehovah] kept me screened off in the belly of my mother. . . . Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing.”

Has God ever stated that a person would be called to account for injury to an unborn child?

Ex. 21:22, 23: “In case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs, he is to have damages imposed upon him without fail according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him; and he must give it through the justices. But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul.” (Some translations make it appear that in this law to Israel the crucial matter was what happened to the mother, not to the fetus. The original Hebrew text, however, refers to a fatal accident to either mother or child.)

How serious is the willful taking of a human life for a reason not authorized by God?

Gen. 9:6: “Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image he made man.”

1 John 3:15: “No manslayer has everlasting life remaining in him.”

Ex. 20:13: “You must not murder.”

Does a doctor’s opinion that allowing a pregnancy to go full term would be harmful to the health of the mother justify an abortion?

Medical opinions are sometimes wrong. Would it be right to kill a fellow human because that one might harm his fellowman? If at the time of childbirth a choice must be made between the life of the mother and that of the child, it is up to the individuals concerned to make that choice. However, advances in medical procedures in many lands have made this situation very rare.
 
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Consider this:

There are 7 billion people living on earth. Every year the earth's population increases by twice the population of california (80 Million people). Therefore we are getting poorer and poorer each year. Unemployment rises and rises. We are living in precarious living situations. 2 billion people are living with less than 2 Dollars per day.
 
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in god we trust i am not even going to dignify you with an answer please people dont listen to this guy hes not christian
 
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MidniteWelder

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What if keeping the unborn child is risky to the mother's safety? What do you do with that?


What she said :cool:

Then, as a Christian, you leave it in Gods hands. If we are Christians, we trust in God. Simples. There are so many stories of mothers being told their child should be 'aborted' through scans showing terrible birth defects etc, mothers told they will die through cancer if they do not abort...and many do, but many do ot and pray instead. And there are so many wonderful stories of lives being saved and the scans being wrong. Doctors are doctors, midwives (and I am one) are just midwives. Not God! So, as Christians, we would be best to Trust in God, the one who planted the life within us in the first place. easy? no. but then God never said life would be easy. <><
 
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NateDaGrimes

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if people are for abortion then people are just crazy blood thirsty people.

break thou shalt no kill commandment
(John 14:15 [KJV])
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
 
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Murder.

Running away from a problem.

You were given a chance to live, so what gives you the right to take away someone else's?

You don't know what that baby may become, the baby may be a creation for us all.
Ex. That baby might find the cure to cancer, but you let it die, and now what?

Jeremiah 29:11
"For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
 
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alienambassador

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Do you think it would be better to give birth to all these unwanted children? What kind of life do you think they would have? God does not like abortion and if women were not commiting whoredom, premarital sex and adultery we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Women are not getting pregnant by themselves. Both genders share the blame.
 
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BibleEd

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Hi susanblange

Great question, this arises especially today as abortion has become a common thing. The bible however gives us strong advice on this.

Psalms 139:16 "your eyes even saw the embryo of me and in your book all its parts were down in writing as regards the days when they were formed and there was not yet one among them." This shows that if God can see even our embryo, he can know our personality even before we are born.

Exodus 21:22-23 “And in case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs, he is to have damages imposed upon him without fail according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him; and he must give it through the justices. 23 But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul,

So even though we do not live by the mosaic law any more, this still shows how important a baby life is to God.

I hope this helped!
 
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in god we trust i am not even going to dignify you with an answer please people dont listen to this guy hes not christian
Luke 23 [SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

I'm sorry to say, but obviously you are not (yet) a Christian.
 
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Nautilus

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Ex. That baby might find the cure to cancer, but you let it die, and now what?

That baby might also be the next Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Columbine, VT, Sandy Hook shooter...

Yes I terribly hate that argument Im sorry.
 

Nautilus

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Women are not getting pregnant by themselves. Both genders share the blame.
That might be the case but then the males involved actually have no rights when it comes to abortion so the decision has nothing to do with them...
 
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Luke 23 [SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

I'm sorry to say, but obviously you are not (yet) a Christian.
see you judgement day
 

superdave5221

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Consider this:

There are 7 billion people living on earth. Every year the earth's population increases by twice the population of california (80 Million people). Therefore we are getting poorer and poorer each year. Unemployment rises and rises. We are living in precarious living situations. 2 billion people are living with less than 2 Dollars per day.
Are you saying that murder is a good way to control population growth?
 
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Are you saying that murder is a good way to control population growth?
No, I do not say that.

I do just maintain, what I said before: If our democratically elected governments or even any government at all decides that abortion of any kind is not murder then be it so. The same way as a government decides whether something you call murder is murder or not.

What is so controversial about this? Is this forum a forum for insurgents or what?
 
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Ecclesiastes 4
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And I declared
that the dead,
who had already died,
are happier than the living,
who are still alive.
3But better than both
is he who has not yet been,

who has not seen the evil
that is done under the sun.
 

Nautilus

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Most abortions are spontaneous and they happen naturally within the human body. Most women who have such an abortion never even know it because it happens in the first month. It's very, very common. In fact 50-70% of pregnancies end this way.
 

superdave5221

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No, I do not say that.

I do just maintain, what I said before: If our democratically elected governments or even any government at all decides that abortion of any kind is not murder then be it so. The same way as a government decides whether something you call murder is murder or not.

What is so controversial about this? Is this forum a forum for insurgents or what?
So, are you now saying that it is "democratically elected governments", that decide morality, rather than God?

In other words, for you, is morality relative? Are there moral absolutes that God, who is the Creator, has established by the Word of His power?


By the way, your defense of murder didn't work at Nuremburg.
 
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simplyme_bekah

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is abortion murder.....why yes yes it is. Its the killing of a human that the Lord placed on this earth
 

superdave5221

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Most abortions are spontaneous and they happen naturally within the human body. Most women who have such an abortion never even know it because it happens in the first month. It's very, very common. In fact 50-70% of pregnancies end this way.
I would love to see the source of this. Can you document this ridiculous assertion?