I Don't Believe There is a God

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TosinAsLeader

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Yet science has yet to prove there isn't a God. They claim the earth is billions of years old. Therefore, for "billions" of years they have yet to disprove His existence.
They will never prove it. Just when they think they have people then realize their theories are based upon other theories which are based upon other theories and theories are not fact.
Saying to an Atheist, "G-d is real" and give them bible verses, doesn't answer their questions. They already believe the bible is nothing more than a book in the mythology section. So scientific proof is necessary to effectively respond, regardless if the scientific community makes ridiculous theories at times.
 

Elizabeth619

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Saying to an Atheist, "G-d is real" and give them bible verses, doesn't answer their questions. They already believe the bible is nothing more than a book in the mythology section. So scientific proof is necessary to effectively respond, regardless if the scientific community makes ridiculous theories at times.
There is not scientific proof to even say he does not exist. That is the point I was trying to make.

I am very much aware that if someone does not take the bible seriously then they will not apply is as proof. You also need to understand that science has NOT proved there is no God. Therefore anyone using science to disprove Him is basing their views on opinions and not scientific fact.
 
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jonrambo

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I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD WHATSOEVER! However, I'm skeptical. If one of you can give me a solid reason as to why I should believe in God, and I mean a really good reason, I will admit on here that God is real. But I have to tell you that I don't think any of you can give me a solid reason because there isn't any proof.
Lol you watch too much tv mate. Where did the first two neutrons come from that accidentaly exploded and created this infinatley complex universe. Look around at creation. You are blind not to see it. Check out living waters vid - average joe. It dunbs it all down a bit but easy to understand. And before you ask where did God come from Ill cut you short and answer it. God created the laws of time and space when he created the universe. He is outside of them. Mind bogglingly freaky isnt it!?
 
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jonrambo

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scientific, theological, historic no matter what rabbithole you go down if you go deep enough you WILL find God.
 
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DannyC

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There is not scientific proof to even say he does not exist. That is the point I was trying to make.

I am very much aware that if someone does not take the bible seriously then they will not apply is as proof. You also need to understand that science has NOT proved there is no God. Therefore anyone using science to disprove Him is basing their views on opinions and not scientific fact.
Science doesn't go around proving there 'isn't' a god. That is not what science is for, I think you're misinformed.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I spoke with God about you and He told me that He believes in and loves you.

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD WHATSOEVER! However, I'm skeptical. If one of you can give me a solid reason as to why I should believe in God, and I mean a really good reason, I will admit on here that God is real. But I have to tell you that I don't think any of you can give me a solid reason because there isn't any proof.
 

Elizabeth619

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Science doesn't go around proving there 'isn't' a god. That is not what science is for, I think you're misinformed.
Then you may need to inform scientists, and other nonbelievers that. They've studied evolution for years which are theories that go completely against the supernatural forces stated in the bible. People attempt to use scientific data to prove that God doesn't exist all the time. Why many want to use science to argue the existence of God is beyond me. Science is about the study of the physical and natural. Religion, and God is not about the physical. It is spiritual/supernatural.
 
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DannyC

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Then you may need to inform scientists, and other nonbelievers that. They've studied evolution for years which are theories that go completely against the supernatural forces stated in the bible. People attempt to use scientific data to prove that God doesn't exist all the time. Why many want to use science to argue the existence of God is beyond me. Science is about the study of the physical and natural. Religion, and God is not about the physical. It is spiritual/supernatural.
Well I hold scientists and science extremely high, so I won't do something as condescending as that. Science by definition is 'the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world. Now a claim that evolution goes against the supernatural forces of the bible is in fact a scientific claim on the nature of reality, and if you disagree with that, evolution is the natural study of how diversity arose. If you have a 'natural' claim instead, that is a scientific claim. If you have a supernatural claim, that is still a scientific claim which relies on observation of the natural world. If supernatural causes influenced natural aspects then science can find evidence to support it. Spiritual claims and supernatural claims are claims on the nature of reality and science works in that area.
 
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jonrambo

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If people turn their tv off and think for themselves there is no way you can logically come to the conclusion that this whole place is a big accident. Its blatantly impossible. Up to you tho. Not believing in hell wont make it any nicer when your there. True
 

Elizabeth619

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Well I hold scientists and science extremely high, so I won't do something as condescending as that. Science by definition is 'the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world. Now a claim that evolution goes against the supernatural forces of the bible is in fact a scientific claim on the nature of reality, and if you disagree with that, evolution is the natural study of how diversity arose. If you have a 'natural' claim instead, that is a scientific claim. If you have a supernatural claim, that is still a scientific claim which relies on observation of the natural world. If supernatural causes influenced natural aspects then science can find evidence to support it. Spiritual claims and supernatural claims are claims on the nature of reality and science works in that area.
Science doesn't draw conclusions about supernatural explanations. Science cannot help someone "prove" God exists. Which is why I cannot understand why some ask for scientific proof of God.
Supernatural explanations are beyond the realm of nature which is beyond the realm of what can be studied by science.
 
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Buff_Old_Guy

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I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD WHATSOEVER! However, I'm skeptical. If one of you can give me a solid reason as to why I should believe in God, and I mean a really good reason, I will admit on here that God is real. But I have to tell you that I don't think any of you can give me a solid reason because there isn't any proof.
I'll give you 2 solid reasons...

For starters

1. Jesus Christ's resurrection.. has been proven historically... it's in my opinion, one of the most solid reasons out there. If Jesus resurrected.. then we can reasonably say that Jesus was God and believe in the Bible. Here's a link that goes through it nicely.

THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST - Evidence for & about the Resurrection of Christ Jesus

Read it... and prepare to ask yourself ... why are you struggling so much to NOT believe? Because, believing in the resurrection of Jesus Christ... is on strong reasonable grounds.

2. Spiritual visions and sitings... I've personally had a vision. My brothers (2) have both have had spiritual experiences. I'm telling you basically... that I SAW something. How much more real can it get? I

My vision was a faith changing one. When I was in my teenage years... actually just 1 year younger than you, I decided I'd just try God. I had an understanding of why it makes so much since to give God faith. My reasons for giving God faith were simple... God supposedly is a perfect God without error... 100% Love 100% Truth 100% Goodness. I realized that if God is real than why not give this all good God a try.

I give God faith and trusted him and asked him... faithfully, putting trust that he would answer my prayer and asked him to give me a vision. I basically asked God to proof himself to me and that I needed this... If he does it then I would serve him the rest of my life ... if not... then I'll never believe in him no matter what. The next few days passed... I got angry because I trusted but then I cooled down and reasoned... if God is real then he has a personality and does things in his own way.. I waited more and one night. I had a vision. I'm here and I know God exists. It's worth noting I don't do drugs, never have. I don't drink or use anything that would alter my mind. So, yeah that's not what happened if your thinking that.

There you go... coming from a guy that both believes and knows that God exists. Now what are you going to do with the solid evidence of Jesus's resurrection... and the truth of me having a vision after asking God for one.
 
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spacefreak

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i'm not sure what i could say to change your mind that GOD is 100% real but he is, the best advice that i can give you is to read the bible all the way through, it's full of evidence. also i can raise one question, and that would be how did we get here if not by GOD'S divine creation, i know that there's scientific theory's but even some scientist say that things like DNA could not have happened by chance or even evolved that they would have had to have a creator. if you study the universe as a whole and by individual section of the universe, if you study the universe unobjectionable and you might come to the same conclusion that it would have had to have a creator.

i hope and pray that you accept JESUS Christ as your personal savior
 
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Ugly

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For those of your answering rycag, he is no longer using the site. He asked this question and didn't come back. He was trolling.
 
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TosinAsLeader

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There is not scientific proof to even say he does not exist. That is the point I was trying to make.
Then prove it scientifically.

I am very much aware that if someone does not take the bible seriously then they will not apply is as proof. You also need to understand that science has NOT proved there is no God. Therefore anyone using science to disprove Him is basing their views on opinions and not scientific fact.
Not necessarily true, but it can be hard for the most part to deny a Creator based on the universal laws.
 

Elizabeth619

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Then prove it scientifically.



Not necessarily true, but it can be hard for the most part to deny a Creator based on the universal laws.
TRY TO UNDERSTAND!!!!.... God goes beyond the realm of science!

Science cannot explain everything in this world, and it certainly cannot begin to touch spirituality.
 
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let me refer you to a website gotquestions.org

now ask away.
 
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TosinAsLeader

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TRY TO UNDERSTAND!!!!.... God goes beyond the realm of science!

Science cannot explain everything in this world, and it certainly cannot begin to touch spirituality.

Yet science explains a lot of phenomenal occurrences. Science is the study of G-d's creations basically. I believe He used science to create.

I don't see how it can not touch spirituality? That is more of an opinion. Degrees and titles such as psychology uses science to explain human behavior which is traced down to the spirit.
 

NateDaGrimes

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Enjoy this convo xD

Professor is the scientific athiest... student is unkowned till the end {but christian}

Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?


Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From … GOD …

Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn’t.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

P.S.

I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you’ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won’t you?

Forward this to increase their knowledge … or FAITH.

By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.
 
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Charlamane

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Really? Can I see some evidence? I'm not trying to argue that's just... that's quite a claim, so obviously I'd need to see some backing.
Evidence? There is no evidence, scientific or otherwise, to make any sort of claim when it comes to the origin of life. Science has been striving to prove their claim that all life came from some original single cell organism since they came up with that theory. Hey! So where's the evidence for that theory? They speculate their brains out but can prove nothing in that regard. You go searching down that rabbit trail and you'll never find the end of it. To find truth, you'll simply have to access a higher plane, search out a Higher Intelligence that actually does know. When you say you don't believe in Him, because there's no evidence of His existence, well? There you are again! Absolutely nowhere, sitting there with those scientists speculating your brains out for lack of evidence of which you will never find until you access that higher plane.