WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN THE BIRTH PAINS???
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Abiding
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Are you kidden? Did Daniel understand completely what Israel was even about?
Or Jeremiah? Or the Angels?
Get real
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
No i dont agree here anyone is pulling anything out of context. Israel was nothing more that
the linage of the Messiah and to prepare for Him. There was nothing else.
this is more than prophecy, Beth.
it's striking at the very heart of the Gospel, and the Person and Work of Jesus Christ
which is exactly what dispensationalism was brought in for.
to make this about Political Zionism, and ultimately Talmudic Judaism and The Pharisees.
Jesus' Work has been completely gutted from the picture.
all of it.
Revelation 6:2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
Revelation 6:4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.
Revelation 6:5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
Revelation 6:8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
4 horses and I think Revealation 18 was filled in 2001 when the planes did the destruction they did and the whole earth was shut down in one hour. Allthe airports were shut down with in the hour of the great destructive day an dthe kings afar off were crying over he rsmildering smoke
First horse was released after this with a bow and a crown went forth conguering and to conguer, second horse not yet released but will be
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
lol, sure would be nice to talk about some other stuff.. More pertinant to todays church and salvation. and not fight and argue and hate on people over things which have not even happened yet and do not concern us.
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Anonimous
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Abiding
Guest
Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy
from the going forth of the commandment
to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince
shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks
the street shall be built again
and the wall
even in troublous times.
And after threescore and two weeks
shall Messiah be cut off
but not for himself
and the people of the prince that shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and the end thereof shall be with a flood
and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined.
And he shall confirm the covenant
with many for one week
and in the midst of the week
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate
even until the consummation
and that determined
shall be poured upon the desolate.
Luke 19:42
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
This is just so cool.
Its about Jesus. All about Jesus!
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Daniel did not think this. Nor did many of the OT prophets. Paul certainly did not think this.
Your destroying Context. Your making daniel pray not for a nation in sin, but the whole world. And asking God not to show mercy on a nation and a city. But the whole world minus the city.
When jeremiah prophesied a 70 year rest for the land because of the sin of isreal. he was not talking of natural isreal but spiritual?? Half the OT would be misrepresented if we look at it that way!
Daniel even admitted. The land and city was desolate and the people scattered because of the things said in mosaic law (namely lev 26) was this given tp the whole world??
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
yep. We are saved or not saved depending on if we are amil or premil. The gospel of Christ and faith in his son means absolutely nothing.
Zone you are teaching a false gospel if you think that eternal life depends on this! period!
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
my friend. Rev 18 will make 9/11 look like a walk in the park. We will know these things when we see them, if we think that is great tribulation, when the real thing happens, no one will be able to handle it, because they were not prepaired.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
This is just so cool.
the gospel is all about jesus,. Amen and Amen. If only people got to this and away from their works, tradition and religion. The church would be a better place.
Zone, i just realized where your position is coming from.
Luke 24
I do believe some are unwittingly doing what you claim by buying into zionism... believing man over Scripture.
That said i believe by the same standard other things are being accepted.
may we reason together and see if Scripture will bring understanding.
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cooterhein
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No one knows when the end will be, and no one knows how close we are. As far as birth pains, though, I'd say we're managing. Global thermonuclear war has been avoided almost to the point where "thermonuclear" is an archaic term, and I really think we've managed the most recent recession pretty well on a global scale. Think about it- Mr. Bunga Bunga is the modern version of Benito Mussolini. Putin is kind of scary, but he's no Stalin. Most Americans can neither name or say anything about the leaders of Germany or Japan. What are we really worried about at this point- N Korea? Terrorists? China? I'd say we can handle this stuff.
the end comes to pass for each of us, when each of us is laid in the grave.
i'll talk to you privately about my reading of Revelation (what i believe remains), or post another day.
not about to bother with that here.
meanwhile:
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
that's how it ends.
zone
here's my email:
[email protected]
send me an apology when and if you are ever rescued from this heresy.
what Gospel?
according to you He didn't Accomplish it.
"If only people got to this and away from their works, tradition and religion....The church would be a better place"
the 'so-called-church' is in the condition it's in because of Dispensational idolatry.
fortunately not all have bought it, and never did.
those would be the "antisemities" though.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Your the one teaching heresy, Your the one who has made this issue a salvic one, and all who does not believe as you do will go to hell.. Your the one in danger!
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
lol..
If we discount every belief which causes danger, we would have no belief.
we could not believe in the lords supper, because of the salvic intentions of the eucharist
we could not believe in water baptism, because people want to make it essential to salvation.
we could not believe in tradition, because people have used it to turn many away from God and the truth.
we could not believe in anything. because satan has taken every letter of truth, and twisted it to form doctrines which take people away from God.
When you are ready to stop condemning people, stop making false accusations and bearing false witness against people who do not believe what you claim. come talk to me.
But I do not see that happening.. So I leave you to your hate and false gospel.