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Jon, you have to realise a good kick up the backside works for some, but it doesn't for others. For those whom it doesn't work, it's counter-productive. They just become more resentful and are more likely to ignore or stir you up. It's not worth it. If you see there's an issue here, you take it to God and let him deal with it. Street preachers in Rundle Mall. You know the one. Truth in Love.
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Ok let me just ask a logical sequence of questions if the answers yes then proceed to the next question...
A) Do you believe God created the universe?
B) Do you think a being powerful enough to create universes has the ability to leave us an accurate guide to learn about him?
C) Now choose between following this guide or following man made doctrine loosley based on parts of this guide but at the same time directly contradicting alot of it.
If Jesus is the son of God it would make sence to do EXACTLY what he says.
God is watching your response and you will be judged on it accordingly.
A) Do you believe God created the universe?
B) Do you think a being powerful enough to create universes has the ability to leave us an accurate guide to learn about him?
C) Now choose between following this guide or following man made doctrine loosley based on parts of this guide but at the same time directly contradicting alot of it.
If Jesus is the son of God it would make sence to do EXACTLY what he says.
God is watching your response and you will be judged on it accordingly.
C
I have given you truths, I am truly sorry that your eye's and heart have been blinded to those truths. I will pray for you though
UOTE=7seven7;948924]Carey, I have argued these EXACT same points in earlier forums. Please read the Catholic Church's position on all these. And PLEASE! INQUISITION? Do you not know about the Protestants killing Catholics in England for not following their way? Come on Carey, there's evil in EVERY Church. Including the Catholic. But Her teachings are sound if you allign them all together. Believe me! I really wouldn't be here otherwise. When I was saved last year, I almost converted to SDA, until I researched all the Catholic Churches positions on all the SDA's accusations about Her. Have there been evil people in the Catholic Church? OF COURSE! AND THERE STILL IS!! But the Church as a whole is NOT evil. It is so beautiful! You can really see Christ's work being done in the Catholic Church. Do you know how many missionaries She has? Do you have ANY IDEA how much good She does in this world? Or will you all just keep concentrating on Her human flaws? If so, then you must see the same in the other Churches too, because they are ALL GUILTY!![/QUOTE]
UOTE=7seven7;948924]Carey, I have argued these EXACT same points in earlier forums. Please read the Catholic Church's position on all these. And PLEASE! INQUISITION? Do you not know about the Protestants killing Catholics in England for not following their way? Come on Carey, there's evil in EVERY Church. Including the Catholic. But Her teachings are sound if you allign them all together. Believe me! I really wouldn't be here otherwise. When I was saved last year, I almost converted to SDA, until I researched all the Catholic Churches positions on all the SDA's accusations about Her. Have there been evil people in the Catholic Church? OF COURSE! AND THERE STILL IS!! But the Church as a whole is NOT evil. It is so beautiful! You can really see Christ's work being done in the Catholic Church. Do you know how many missionaries She has? Do you have ANY IDEA how much good She does in this world? Or will you all just keep concentrating on Her human flaws? If so, then you must see the same in the other Churches too, because they are ALL GUILTY!![/QUOTE]
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My answers, brother.
(A) Yes
(B) Yes
(C) I choose this Guide, through the guidance and advice given to me by the Holy Spirit. You want to ask me how the Holy Spirit has told me to go about it? By using the tool He has placed here on Earth in order to guide us weak humans. Just the same as you listening to your preachers and pastors, who you put so much faith in, even to the extent of calling Catholics "evil" without doing your own research on their position in regards to why you have been told that they are evil. I researched, am still researching and learning, and will always be learning. And believe me, if you can prove to me that what the Catholic Church teaches is evil and from the evil one, I will be the first to leave. But so far, I have found that all these splits from the Church are the work of the evil one, trying to weaken the Body of Christ, while deceiving millions into thinking that they can do it an easier way to suit their own weaknesses and lifestyles. And you're letting him do his work quite easily, I must say. God bless.
(A) Yes
(B) Yes
(C) I choose this Guide, through the guidance and advice given to me by the Holy Spirit. You want to ask me how the Holy Spirit has told me to go about it? By using the tool He has placed here on Earth in order to guide us weak humans. Just the same as you listening to your preachers and pastors, who you put so much faith in, even to the extent of calling Catholics "evil" without doing your own research on their position in regards to why you have been told that they are evil. I researched, am still researching and learning, and will always be learning. And believe me, if you can prove to me that what the Catholic Church teaches is evil and from the evil one, I will be the first to leave. But so far, I have found that all these splits from the Church are the work of the evil one, trying to weaken the Body of Christ, while deceiving millions into thinking that they can do it an easier way to suit their own weaknesses and lifestyles. And you're letting him do his work quite easily, I must say. God bless.
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I'm not going to go right through it, Carey, but i will point out the first flaw I came accross as soon as I started reading this. In the first part (about tradition not being important). Your side hasn't included every verse in the Bible which talks about this. E.g.-
1 Corinthians 11:2[ Head Coverings ] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.
AND
2 Thessalonians 2:15So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.
AND
2 Thessalonians 3:6[ Warning against Idleness ] Now we command you, beloved, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us.
You see, Carey, this study was obviously done by somebody who didn't want you to see the WHOLE TRUTH, and just picked the verses to suit his/her argument and accusations of the Catholic Church, as usual. This point I made came to me as soon as I read the first part.
1 Corinthians 11:2[ Head Coverings ] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.
AND
2 Thessalonians 2:15So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.
AND
2 Thessalonians 3:6[ Warning against Idleness ] Now we command you, beloved, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us.
You see, Carey, this study was obviously done by somebody who didn't want you to see the WHOLE TRUTH, and just picked the verses to suit his/her argument and accusations of the Catholic Church, as usual. This point I made came to me as soon as I read the first part.
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lol you don't understand the position of the Church on ANY of the points you raise, nor have you taken the time to try to understand why these 1.2 billion people have so much faith in the things you talk about. Yet, you question them still. God gave you a brain and eyes, combine them and research. You will see.
Only the original translation is inerrant, there are many translation errors, and mostly pointing oone to work in the energy of their own flesh. Scripture manya times getsone tothink well now Loed I see and believe now watch my smoke?
When in actuality we are to be vessells like Mary, and her Job was bearing Jesus, John the baptists job was to baptize Jesus, the disciples Job was tospread the gospel but when the Israelites kept on being stubborn the Gospel came to us the Gentiles and anyone that will rsvp to go to the dinner feast. This is belief, noit a religion thefirst chosen became a religion my way and were stiff necked and are a lot today butno differant that the other denominations,
7seven7 you are loved and it is by God the almighty the Father of Jesus Christ, and so is the whole world loved. Thid was prooven by Christ going to the death for and freeing mankind actually his elect the Israelites from the Law of Moses that they were put under, having to sacrifice year after year shedding blood of an innocent animal
Hebrews 10 is a good enlightening chapter explaining this. But this is what it is today, we all are free toworship where we decide to worship and since God recieves the believer then God is able tostraighten out any errors in anyones truth that they dillgently hold onto.
Now does everyone here believe that TRUTH SETS ONE FREE.
If you do believe this scripture and anyone of you here posting against one another about where they worship, making judgemental remarks truth or not about that denomination,puts you the one (s) doing this in bondage.
Because if one is in bondage then their truth is in error, but youall decide. This brother of Christ has been put on the defensive, andallyouare all doing is convincing him andmaking him stubborn as to worship only by and through the catholic church, when their is no religion worthy of serving God and no self worthy of serving God. God is God and will not be mocked, but humans are mocking God all over this world and dividing divisions as Paul warned against to the Corinthians 1 Cor 3, and in 1 cor13 the Love chapter they finally saw the kind of Love that God has and has passed out to us human beings, and that just being mere human could not cut this type of Love no matter how hard they tried thay could not perform this type of love. So they had a Godly sorrow and God made them anew because now they knew they could not do it and understood now why Christ went to the cross to take away the sin of the world in his Father's sight so that by this Christ made them perfect no sin in the believer because of Christ all sin gone so that they can see God the Father and thank God the Father and Christ the Son, beinmg nowof the Spirit of God and actually received the Love of God spread about oin their hearts the love of 1 cor 13
love you all discuss not accuse each other we all have free choice and my choice is to love as God Loves me
Thanks
When in actuality we are to be vessells like Mary, and her Job was bearing Jesus, John the baptists job was to baptize Jesus, the disciples Job was tospread the gospel but when the Israelites kept on being stubborn the Gospel came to us the Gentiles and anyone that will rsvp to go to the dinner feast. This is belief, noit a religion thefirst chosen became a religion my way and were stiff necked and are a lot today butno differant that the other denominations,
7seven7 you are loved and it is by God the almighty the Father of Jesus Christ, and so is the whole world loved. Thid was prooven by Christ going to the death for and freeing mankind actually his elect the Israelites from the Law of Moses that they were put under, having to sacrifice year after year shedding blood of an innocent animal
Hebrews 10 is a good enlightening chapter explaining this. But this is what it is today, we all are free toworship where we decide to worship and since God recieves the believer then God is able tostraighten out any errors in anyones truth that they dillgently hold onto.
Now does everyone here believe that TRUTH SETS ONE FREE.
If you do believe this scripture and anyone of you here posting against one another about where they worship, making judgemental remarks truth or not about that denomination,puts you the one (s) doing this in bondage.
Because if one is in bondage then their truth is in error, but youall decide. This brother of Christ has been put on the defensive, andallyouare all doing is convincing him andmaking him stubborn as to worship only by and through the catholic church, when their is no religion worthy of serving God and no self worthy of serving God. God is God and will not be mocked, but humans are mocking God all over this world and dividing divisions as Paul warned against to the Corinthians 1 Cor 3, and in 1 cor13 the Love chapter they finally saw the kind of Love that God has and has passed out to us human beings, and that just being mere human could not cut this type of Love no matter how hard they tried thay could not perform this type of love. So they had a Godly sorrow and God made them anew because now they knew they could not do it and understood now why Christ went to the cross to take away the sin of the world in his Father's sight so that by this Christ made them perfect no sin in the believer because of Christ all sin gone so that they can see God the Father and thank God the Father and Christ the Son, beinmg nowof the Spirit of God and actually received the Love of God spread about oin their hearts the love of 1 cor 13
love you all discuss not accuse each other we all have free choice and my choice is to love as God Loves me
Thanks