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loveme1

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Staying Faithful to our First Love that is where our hearts should be.
 

loveme1

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i had to tell my earthly father that he was condemned and the only way to be forgiven is through Faith in the Messiah.

Sometimes Truth is hard to share but it is the only Good to be shared.

Love is truth.
 
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Somebody will say you are angry and hateful now. (Anger and hate are big evils in themselves among those who follow the commandments of men.) Scripture has another testimony:
Actually I'm not angry at all, my heart truly grieves for those that are in the catholic church. There are many wonderful people that are catholics, and I want nothing more than to see them receive the grace and freedom of Christ, if I'm angry at anyone it would be the Vatican for throughout deceiving millions of people. Truly my heart breaks for those that remain in bondage to the catholic church
 

tribesman

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Actually I'm not angry at all, my heart truly grieves for those that are in the catholic church. There are many wonderful people that are catholics, and I want nothing more than to see them receive the grace and freedom of Christ, if I'm angry at anyone it would be the Vatican for throughout deceiving millions of people. Truly my heart breaks for those that remain in bondage to the catholic church
What I am saying is that even if one is angry and hates things like these cults and false ways then it is justified and not a sin.
 
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carey

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I will pray for you my dear, speaking the truth is hard to say to strangers, even harder when it's family

mums family are irish catholics too. angry angry people. at christmas dinner im all like THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU! and they are all like hissing and throwing gravy everywhere

seriously tho they are pretty angry. my grandpa told me he was going to kill me when i was 16 lol
 

Katy-follower

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why these 1.2 billion people
There are two ways. Scripture says you want to be in the minority, not the majority.

Matthew 7:13-14: "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it"

There are many on their way to destruction. The broad road is the most popular with the world. Very few are on the narrow road to heaven.
 

Katy-follower

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What I am saying is that even if one is angry and hates things like these cults and false ways then it is justified and not a sin.
As I said in earlier post... some always assume that if their doctrine is being attacked, that they are also personally being attacked, which isn't true. It's a difference between truth and lies, exposing that which isn't scriptural. The person is not under attack, but the teachings are (if they do not line up with scripture). These things hold people in bondage, leading many astray. Very sad :(
 
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7seven7

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There are two ways. Scripture says you want to be in the minority, not the majority.

Matthew 7:13-14: "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it"

There are many on their way to destruction. The broad road is the most popular with the world. Very few are on the narrow road to heaven.
And the question that Catholics should be asking is, How many of those 1.2 billion, including clergymen, are true practicing Catholics. Those quotes you just gave can also be applied to the minority in the Catholic Church, who truly live the way the Lord wants us to, in comparison to the whole of Christianity (including non-practicing Catholics) and the total population of the world, as who are truly following the Way, and not all the new translations and beliefs and dis-belief that this world is breeding. Scripture can be interpreted so many ways. LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, you say. And I say AMEN!! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M DOING! But you still say to me that I'm being deceived lol God bless, help and unite us all, I say!
 

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And the question that Catholics should be asking is, How many of those 1.2 billion, including clergymen, are true practicing Catholics. Those quotes you just gave can also be applied to the minority in the Catholic Church, who truly live the way the Lord wants us to, in comparison to the whole of Christianity (including non-practicing Catholics) and the total population of the world, as who are truly following the Way, and not all the new translations and beliefs and dis-belief that this world is breeding. Scripture can be interpreted so many ways. LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, you say. And I say AMEN!! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M DOING! But you still say to me that I'm being deceived lol God bless, help and unite us all, I say!
You'd be alright if you stopped following man-made tradition. :)
 

Katy-follower

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And the question that Catholics should be asking is, How many of those 1.2 billion, including clergymen, are true practicing Catholics. Those quotes you just gave can also be applied to the minority in the Catholic Church, who truly live the way the Lord wants us to, in comparison to the whole of Christianity (including non-practicing Catholics) and the total population of the world, as who are truly following the Way, and not all the new translations and beliefs and dis-belief that this world is breeding. Scripture can be interpreted so many ways. LISTEN TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, you say. And I say AMEN!! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M DOING! But you still say to me that I'm being deceived lol God bless, help and unite us all, I say!

I used that scripture to reject your theory that billions of followers = truth. Scripture says many are on the wrong road and few on the narrow road, so just because something is popular, does not make it right.

There are two ways - the narrow road and broad road. They are chalk and cheese, they just are not the same. They don't go together. Likewise, the Holy Spirit does not lead 2 people in different directions.

Why are we going in opposite directions? If we were equally yoked we would be believing the same true gospel. You have to come to God with empty hands of faith. Everything else is just traditions and weights set upon people by men, and those things don't save.

Imagine a set of monkey bars suspended over hell. You are hanging from different ones, each of them labeled: baptism, good works, sacraments, indulgences, the mass. These are all the things you are told keep you out of hell.

Picture Jesus suspended between you and hell, saying "I am the only one who can save you, but I can't until you first let go"

You must let go and believe Jesus will save you. If you remain hanging when you die then it's too late.

You have to come to God with empty hands of faith.

Romans 11:6: "And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work"



No one can blame their teacher on judgment day. A false teacher will be condemned, as will those who followed their teachings and rules. It's God's way (narrow road) or man's way/way of the world (broad road).

Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"
 
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7seven7

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You'd be alright if you stopped following man-made tradition. :)
1 Corinthians 11:2[ Head Coverings ] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6[ Warning against Idleness ] Now we command you, beloved, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from believers who are living in idleness and not according to the tradition that they received from us.

You're right PS, we keep following these "man made" traditions. St. Paul must've been a heretic and evil then?



 
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7seven7

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I used that scripture to reject your theory that billions of followers = truth. Scripture says many are on the wrong road and few on the narrow road, so just because something is popular, does not make it right.

There are two ways - the narrow road and broad road. They are chalk and cheese, they just are not the same. They don't go together. Likewise, the Holy Spirit does not lead 2 people in different directions.

Why are we going in opposite directions? If we were equally yoked we would be believing the same true gospel. You have to come to God with empty hands of faith. Everything else is just traditions and weights set upon people by men, and those things don't save.

Imagine a set of monkey bars suspended over hell. You are hanging from different ones, each of them labeled: baptism, good works, sacraments, indulgences, the mass. These are all the things you are told keep you out of hell.

Picture Jesus suspended between you and hell, saying "I am the only one who can save you, but I can't until you first let go"

You must let go and believe Jesus will save you. If you remain hanging when you die then it's too late.

You have to come to God with empty hands of faith.

Romans 11:6: "And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work"



No one can blame their teacher on judgment day. A false teacher will be condemned, as will those who followed their teachings and rules. It's God's way (narrow road) or man's way/way of the world (broad road).

Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"
You are absolutely right, " so just because something is popular, does not make it right." The way I see it, sis, is that nothing is more popular at the moment than all these new charismatic christian Protestant movements, and the Catholic Church is one of the furthest things from popular, due to false media stories about Her, and shephards misleading their flocks into believing falsely about the Holy Catholic Church. Very famous, but far from popular. Alot of people (including most on this site) hate and rubbish the Catholic Church, which, because of your exact comment above, I know I'm doing something right here. I'm not by any means a part of the Holy Catholic Church because its the "in thing" to do right now lol. OBVIOUSLY!!!

And YES! The Holy Spirit DOES NOT lead two people in the opposite direction. And I can tell you right now, that I AM being guided by the Holy Spirit.And I really couldn't care less whether you think so or not, because I know the Truth, and I know what the Holy Spirit has been doing through me. And Katy, we do believe in the same True Gospel. The difference is our interpretation. Stop accusing me of believing in a false Gospel. How dare you!

" baptism, good works, sacraments, indulgences, the mass" , you were right about baptism, good works and mass (the Holy Liturgy), which are all sacraments. But these are NOT the ONLY things that keep us out of hell. But where did you get indulgences from? You guys talk like you know everything about the Catholic faith. You really don't know and understand enough to make all the accusations you do.

Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"

AMEN!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You are absolutely right, " so just because something is popular, does not make it right." The way I see it, sis, is that nothing is more popular at the moment than all these new charismatic christian Protestant movements, and the Catholic Church is one of the furthest things from popular, due to false media stories about Her, and shephards misleading their flocks into believing falsely about the Holy Catholic Church. Very famous, but far from popular. Alot of people (including most on this site) hate and rubbish the Catholic Church, which, because of your exact comment above, I know I'm doing something right here. I'm not by any means a part of the Holy Catholic Church because its the "in thing" to do right now lol. OBVIOUSLY!!!

And YES! The Holy Spirit DOES NOT lead two people in the opposite direction. And I can tell you right now, that I AM being guided by the Holy Spirit.And I really couldn't care less whether you think so or not, because I know the Truth, and I know what the Holy Spirit has been doing through me. And Katy, we do believe in the same True Gospel. The difference is our interpretation. Stop accusing me of believing in a false Gospel. How dare you!

" baptism, good works, sacraments, indulgences, the mass" , you were right about baptism, good works and mass (the Holy Liturgy), which are all sacraments. But these are NOT the ONLY things that keep us out of hell. But where did you get indulgences from? You guys talk like you know everything about the Catholic faith. You really don't know and understand enough to make all the accusations you do.

Proverbs 14:12: "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"

AMEN!!
here is the main problem. Non of those things will keep you out of hell. if they do or could. we would have a gospel of works. where we can earn the gift of God (eternal life) and it would not be a gift at all. but a reward.

The penalty of sin is death, Not being baptised, Not doing good works, Not the "mass" not anything we do.

The only way to be redeemed, or have remission of sin, is to have someone take your punishment in your place. Since DEATH is the ONLY PUNISHMENT. we can not be redeemed from our sin and given life from anything but death.
 
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7seven7

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No one can blame their teacher on judgment day. A false teacher will be condemned, as will those who followed their teachings and rules. It's God's way (narrow road) or man's way/way of the world (broad road).

The narrow road is hard to travel and not many people go that way, Katy. But the broad road is easy to travel and heaps of people travel on it. Do you have any idea how hard it is being a practicing Catholic, as opposed to being a Protestant who believe, to some extent, that all they have to do is say they believe in the Lord and they're saved? There's more to it than that, Katy!! "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;"
 
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7seven7

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here is the main problem. Non of those things will keep you out of hell. if they do or could. we would have a gospel of works. where we can earn the gift of God (eternal life) and it would not be a gift at all. but a reward.

The penalty of sin is death, Not being baptised, Not doing good works, Not the "mass" not anything we do.

The only way to be redeemed, or have remission of sin, is to have someone take your punishment in your place. Since DEATH is the ONLY PUNISHMENT. we can not be redeemed from our sin and given life from anything but death.
So you're saying that Baptism isn't important for the sake of getting into heaven, if you have been exposed to the Truth, right?
 

tribesman

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Anyone who thinks that his works will save them or be the ground of their salvation is lost.

Saved people have good works, not to be saved but because they are saved. These works are not saving in themselves, they do not maintain salvation, they are there as a fruit of salvation.

Rom.10

[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
[2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 
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7seven7

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Anyone who thinks that his works will save them or be the ground of their salvation is lost.

Saved people have good works, not to be saved but because they are saved. These works are not saving in themselves, they do not maintain salvation, they are there as a fruit of salvation.
Ok, I think I understand you point. But please just explain something to me. If a person is saved regardless of his/her works, does this mean he/she can do what they like?
 

tribesman

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Ok, I think I understand you point. But please just explain something to me. If a person is saved regardless of his/her works, does this mean he/she can do what they like?
If they are saved they like to do what is right and just.
 
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7seven7

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If they are saved they like to do what is right and just.
Yeh, mate, I understand. But then what if they change and start acting wickedly? Then they are still saved by your interpretation of scripture.