Could This Person Be Righteous?

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[h=2]Could This Person Be Righteous?[/h]
This person left God's perfect plan and was quarrelsome with those following God. He/she offered their children for immoral purposes and had no credibility with members of their family when they tried to point them to God's will. He/she acted as a judge of others but had no credibility with them. They did not have enough spirituality to ensure the salvation of even a spouse. The person was fearful to do God's will and resisted it. God granted a place of refuge but they refused to remain or even consider returning to God's original direction for their life. They feel into gross sexual sin as a result. There is no evidence they ever repented.
Please decide if this person could/would be declared righteous by God and why. If you cannot decide explain why.​

 
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didn't like the answer you got at the other forum, lesjude?
 
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lesjude said:
Could This Person Be Righteous?

This person left God's perfect plan and was quarrelsome with those following God. He/she offered their children for immoral purposes and had no credibility with members of their family when they tried to point them to God's will. He/she acted as a judge of others but had no credibility with them. They did not have enough spirituality to ensure the salvation of even a spouse. The person was fearful to do God's will and resisted it. God granted a place of refuge but they refused to remain or even consider returning to God's original direction for their life. They feel into gross sexual sin as a result. There is no evidence they ever repented.
Please decide if this person could/would be declared righteous by God and why. If you cannot decide explain why.​
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Lets let the word of God decide this,

Eze 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, nor shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins which he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do justice and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he has done, they shall not be mentioned to him; in his righteousness that he has done he shall live.
Eze 18:23 Do I actually delight in the death of the wicked? says the Lord Jehovah. Is it not that he should turn from his ways and live?
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked do, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered; in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he shall die.
Eze 18:25 Yet you say, The way of Jehovah is not fair. Hear now, O house of Israel: Is not My way fair? Are your ways not unfair?
Eze 18:26 When a righteous one turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done, he shall die.
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked turns away from his wickedness that he has committed and does that which is lawful and righteous, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28 Because he looks carefully, and turns away from all his sins that he has committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:29 Yet says the house of Israel: The way of Jehovah is not fair. O house of Israel, are not My ways fair? Are not your ways unfair?
Eze 18:30 So I will judge you, O house of Israel, each one of you according to his ways, says the Lord Jehovah. Turn and be made to turn from all your sins; and iniquity shall not be your stumbling-block.
Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your sins by which you have sinned; and make you a new heart and a new spirit; for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no delight in the death of him who dies, says the Lord Jehovah. Therefore turn and live.
 
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Repent, Repent, Repent.Your key word, Sin. All Sin, Any Sin, doe's not matter what Sin to God, Sin, is Sin, Is Sin. Righteous, are you kidding? If a person does not repent of there sin, and turn from it, there will be no forgivness, you know this, so why ask something that you know?
 
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Is this a yes, no, or undecided?
 
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Abbe said:
Repent, Repent, Repent.Your key word, Sin. All Sin, Any Sin, doe's not matter what Sin to God, Sin, is Sin, Is Sin. Righteous, are you kidding? If a person does not repent of there sin, and turn from it, there will be no forgivness, you know this, so why ask something that you know?
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What if the person is one of the elect predestined for salvation by the sovereignty of God before time began?
 
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lesjude said:
Is this a yes, no, or undecided?
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When he dies, his love and hate along with his work does indeed follow them. We must always remember that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

That being said I know the consequences of my actions. If I were to choose to be with many women in my lifetime, I know what comes along with that lifestyle (babies , std's, etc, etc). If I were to choose to have a monotonous relationship or to even abstain from sex and marriage altogether I know the consequences of that too. But the end of all these things is death.
 
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Are you trying to say that this person was like David? thats why they got in to sexual sin? 1. I do not beleave in predestined salvation. God gave us free will, If our salvation was predestined, that is not free will.And by the way, Im not going to fight with you over this , you asked, this is my OP.
 
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Being righteous before God is simply doing what is right, obeying His commands, but the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God!
 
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God judges us by our hearts not by what tommy for christ thinks about us
 
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jonrambo said:
God judges us by our hearts not by what tommy for christ thinks about us
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[h=3]Matthew 15:18-19[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.
 
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Are you trying to say that this person was like David? thats why they got in to sexual sin? 1. I do not beleave in predestined salvation. God gave us free will, If our salvation was predestined, that is not free will.And by the way, Im not going to fight with you over this , you asked, this is my OP.
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No, the person was NOTHING like king David.
Election and predestination are taught with examples through the whole Bible. There is no need to "fight" but maybe you should reconsider your opinion of the person.
 
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lesjude said:
Could This Person Be Righteous?

This person left God's perfect plan and was quarrelsome with those following God. He/she offered their children for immoral purposes and had no credibility with members of their family when they tried to point them to God's will. He/she acted as a judge of others but had no credibility with them. They did not have enough spirituality to ensure the salvation of even a spouse. The person was fearful to do God's will and resisted it. God granted a place of refuge but they refused to remain or even consider returning to God's original direction for their life. They feel into gross sexual sin as a result. There is no evidence they ever repented.
Please decide if this person could/would be declared righteous by God and why. If you cannot decide explain why.​
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sounds like Samson as certain points in his life.

However in the end he did repent and was forgiven.

God did not ask us to judge others if they be righteous or not but to judge our own hearts and repent of our sins.

He asks us to examine ourselves not play lets pretend we are God games, pretending we know who is righteous and who is not.
 
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Ariel82 said:
sounds like Samson as certain points in his life.

However in the end he did repent and was forgiven.

God did not ask us to judge others if they be righteous or not but to judge our own hearts and repent of our sins.

He asks us to examine ourselves not play lets pretend we are God games, pretending we know who is righteous and who is not.
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It isn't Sampson, however you have given a wise answer. All that can be said to a professing Christian living in sin is the Bible gives them absolutely no guarantee of salvation.
 
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Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Yes, He justifies the ungodly.
 
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Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Yes, He justifies the ungodly.
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Faith that justifies produces a changed life of repentance from sin and living in obedience to God's word however.
 
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lesjude said:
Faith that justifies produces a changed life of repentance from sin and living in obedience to God's word however.
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Sometimes it takes a while for a believer to loose habits that they have had for a lifetime.

Either how canst thou say to they brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
 
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lesjude said:
Faith that justifies produces a changed life of repentance from sin and living in obedience to God's word however.
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Yes but too often we push this scripture aside in our rush to 'good works'.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
(Rom 4:5)

He justifies the ungodly counting his faith as righteousness. From there He starts cleaning the fish.
 
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Sometimes it takes a while for a believer to loose habits that they have had for a lifetime.

Either how canst thou say to they brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
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True. Sometimes it is necessary to cast out demons in Jesus' name also.
 
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