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1John 1:8
New International Version (©2011)
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.New Living Translation (©2007)
If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.English Standard Version (©2001)
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
If we say, "We have no sin," we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
New International Version (©2011)
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.New Living Translation (©2007)
If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.English Standard Version (©2001)
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
If we say, "We have no sin," we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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The bible teaches the Father chastises His sons.
It teaches us that a true believer will not practice sin because the seed in him will not tolerate it.
It also teaches that we can wind up in a mess messing around with sin, and that it can ever shorten our natural life.
Willful sin text is to those leaving the faith back to judiasm.
A person can defect in apostacy but all christians sin.
1John 1:9
New International Version (©2011)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.New Living Translation (©2007)
But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.English Standard Version (©2001)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
It teaches us that a true believer will not practice sin because the seed in him will not tolerate it.
It also teaches that we can wind up in a mess messing around with sin, and that it can ever shorten our natural life.
Willful sin text is to those leaving the faith back to judiasm.
A person can defect in apostacy but all christians sin.
1John 1:9
New International Version (©2011)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.New Living Translation (©2007)
But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.English Standard Version (©2001)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.New American Standard Bible (©1995)
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
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The acute awareness and uglyness of sin is a sign of salvation.
The unsaved havnt the heart that cares outside getting caught. Some are reprobate enough to not even care about that.
Now you should let it take you to the throne of grace and learn to renew your mind and grow in grace and knowledge. And
that will conform you into the image of His son. Pride often takes over when we fail. We need to lay that aside and just
concern ourselves with our Father who will strengthen us with grace and knowledge. But we must ask for help then walk
in trust and see it happen.
The unsaved havnt the heart that cares outside getting caught. Some are reprobate enough to not even care about that.
Now you should let it take you to the throne of grace and learn to renew your mind and grow in grace and knowledge. And
that will conform you into the image of His son. Pride often takes over when we fail. We need to lay that aside and just
concern ourselves with our Father who will strengthen us with grace and knowledge. But we must ask for help then walk
in trust and see it happen.
We have to look at what the Bible actually teaches about sin and salvation.
Obedience versus Transgression
The Bible says this...
1John Chapter 5
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
The above verse clearly teaches...
1. There are "sins unto death" and "sins not unto death."
2. Those born of God do not sin.
3. If a brother sins "not unto death" pray for it, if he sins "unto death" do not pray for it.
Now let's compare scripture to scripture.
1John Chapter 3
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
The above clearly teaches that...
1. Those who abide in Christ don't sin.
2. Those who do the right thing are righteous.
3. Those who sin are of the devil.
4. Those who are born of God do not "poieō" (commit G4160) sin. ie. produce, shoot out, bring forth, perform, purpose.
5. That manifest conduct reveals if one is a child of God or a child of the devil.
1John Chapter 1-2
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The above clearly teaches that...
1. God is light with no darkness.
2. We have to walk (our actions or deeds) in the light in order to be cleansed of all sin.
3. In order to walk in the light one cannot hide their sin but must confess it (Pro 28:13).
4. Christian's have an advocate IF they sin.
5. Keeping the commandments of Jesus is a clear sign as to whether one knows Christ or is a liar.
Now all the scriptural passages above are written by the same author therefore all the passages are in context with each other. If John writes that those born of God "do not sin" (1Joh 5:18) it must be in the context of "sin unto death" (1Joh 5:16) and "not obeying the commandments of Christ" (1Joh 2:4) and "not doing righteousness" (1Joh 3:6-7) while the "sin not unto death" (1Joh 5:17) is in the context of "if we sin" (1Joh 2:1). Notice that the word "if" is used in 1Joh 2:1 as well as in 1Joh 5:16. The word "ean" (G1437) is translated IF and it denotes uncertainty while "poteh" (G4219) denotes certainty and is translated as WHEN.
With this in mind let's see what else the Bible teaches...
Romans Chapter 6
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
The above clearly teaches that...
1. An individual reveals whose servant they belong to by who they obey.
2. One master is "sin unto death" while the other is "obedience unto righteousness."
3. Christian's have been delivered (set free) from the one master (sin) and enslaved to the other (righteousness) via "obedience from the heart."
Romans 6:16-18 harmonises perfectly with what John writes in his first epistle. Namely that Christian's obey the commandments of Jesus Christ (and do the right thing) and keep themselves from sin.
Notice the following phrases...
1Joh 5:18 - "keepeth himself"
Rom 6:17 - "obeyed from the heart,"
1Joh 2:3 - "we keep his commandments.
1Joh 1:7 - "walk in the light"
Now let's turn to the Old Testament for there is a distinction made in regards to two types of sin.
Number 15
28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
The above passage clearly denotes a distinction between presumptuous sin and non-presumptuous sin. Clearly presumptuous sin is disobedience whilst non-presumptuous sin is not.
Now let's take a look at how sin is defined in the New Testament...
James Chapter 4
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
1John Chapter 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans Chapter 14
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
In the above passages it is very clear that sin is the willful violation of what one knows to be right. In other words it is an action of violation (transgression) done with knowlege.
Therefore when John is writing of "sin unto death" (1Joh 5:16) it is in the same context as Paul's "sin unto death" (Rom 6:16) which is simply willful disobedience.
It is no surprise then that the Bible says this...
Hebrews Chapter 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
To sin willfully is to sin unto death and there is no sacrifice for this kind of sin. Why is there no sacrifice for this kind of sin?
It is because the cleansing of the blood is conditional on walking in the light.
1 John Chapter 1
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Also take note that in Heb 10:29 it states that willful sin after being sanctified is sinning against the Spirit of Grace. This is important because Paul taught this...
Romans Chapter 5 and 6
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Grace abounds when sin abounds but grace does not abound in order that one can keep on sinning. Grace is not to be a license to sin (Jud 4). This is why Paul clearly states when we die to sin we are not to continue in it, if we continue in it it reveals who our true master is for we are slaves to whom we obey.
A Christian is buried in baptism into the death of Christ (through repentance) where the old man is crucified that the body of sin be destroyed. It is this death of the old man (which permits obedience to the truth) that frees an individual from the slavery of sin (while it is the blood of Christ that sets us free from the dominion of sin). If an individual is still serving sin then they have not been set free indeed according to the Master Himself.
John Chapter 8
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
So in summary while the literal definition of the root word for sin is "missing the mark" (G264 Harmartano) the Scripture clearly delineates between presumptuous sin and non-presumptuous sin.
A Christian who has truly repented and forsaken their former life of rebellion to God has ceased from presumptuous sin (1Pet 4:1-2) for they have crucified the flesh with the passions and desires (Gal 5:24) and thus do not yield to those passions and sin unto death (Jam 1:14-15) but instead keep themselves (1Joh 5:18) and thus manifest the fruit of righteousness in their lives (1Joh 3:9-10).
While a new Christian has been purified within (1Pet 1:22-32, Heb 9:14, Heb 10:22, 1Joh 1:7-9) they are yet a babe in Christ (1Pet 2:2) and thus are susceptible to err and "sin not unto death" (1Joh 5:16-17) and thus needs to be perfected (Eph 4:12) until they come into the unity of the faith and a full measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ (Eph 4:13).
This is why Peter teaches that we are to "diligently add to our faith" (2Pet 1:5) and thus make our "calling and election sure" (2Pet 1:10) and thus ensure abundantly our entrance into the kingdom (2Pet 1:11). Which is why it is those who "patiently continue in doing good, seeking for glory, honour and immortality" who are rewarded eternal life (Rom 2:7) while the disobedient are not (Rom 2:8).
Always remember that Jesus came to redeem us from ALL iniquity and to PURIFY a peculiar people who would be zealous of good works. Beware of anyone who would teach otherwise.
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
The Pearl of Great Price: Obedience versus Transgression
Obedience versus Transgression
The Bible says this...
1John Chapter 5
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
The above verse clearly teaches...
1. There are "sins unto death" and "sins not unto death."
2. Those born of God do not sin.
3. If a brother sins "not unto death" pray for it, if he sins "unto death" do not pray for it.
Now let's compare scripture to scripture.
1John Chapter 3
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
The above clearly teaches that...
1. Those who abide in Christ don't sin.
2. Those who do the right thing are righteous.
3. Those who sin are of the devil.
4. Those who are born of God do not "poieō" (commit G4160) sin. ie. produce, shoot out, bring forth, perform, purpose.
5. That manifest conduct reveals if one is a child of God or a child of the devil.
1John Chapter 1-2
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The above clearly teaches that...
1. God is light with no darkness.
2. We have to walk (our actions or deeds) in the light in order to be cleansed of all sin.
3. In order to walk in the light one cannot hide their sin but must confess it (Pro 28:13).
4. Christian's have an advocate IF they sin.
5. Keeping the commandments of Jesus is a clear sign as to whether one knows Christ or is a liar.
Now all the scriptural passages above are written by the same author therefore all the passages are in context with each other. If John writes that those born of God "do not sin" (1Joh 5:18) it must be in the context of "sin unto death" (1Joh 5:16) and "not obeying the commandments of Christ" (1Joh 2:4) and "not doing righteousness" (1Joh 3:6-7) while the "sin not unto death" (1Joh 5:17) is in the context of "if we sin" (1Joh 2:1). Notice that the word "if" is used in 1Joh 2:1 as well as in 1Joh 5:16. The word "ean" (G1437) is translated IF and it denotes uncertainty while "poteh" (G4219) denotes certainty and is translated as WHEN.
With this in mind let's see what else the Bible teaches...
Romans Chapter 6
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
The above clearly teaches that...
1. An individual reveals whose servant they belong to by who they obey.
2. One master is "sin unto death" while the other is "obedience unto righteousness."
3. Christian's have been delivered (set free) from the one master (sin) and enslaved to the other (righteousness) via "obedience from the heart."
Romans 6:16-18 harmonises perfectly with what John writes in his first epistle. Namely that Christian's obey the commandments of Jesus Christ (and do the right thing) and keep themselves from sin.
Notice the following phrases...
1Joh 5:18 - "keepeth himself"
Rom 6:17 - "obeyed from the heart,"
1Joh 2:3 - "we keep his commandments.
1Joh 1:7 - "walk in the light"
Now let's turn to the Old Testament for there is a distinction made in regards to two types of sin.
Number 15
28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
The above passage clearly denotes a distinction between presumptuous sin and non-presumptuous sin. Clearly presumptuous sin is disobedience whilst non-presumptuous sin is not.
Now let's take a look at how sin is defined in the New Testament...
James Chapter 4
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
1John Chapter 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans Chapter 14
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
In the above passages it is very clear that sin is the willful violation of what one knows to be right. In other words it is an action of violation (transgression) done with knowlege.
Therefore when John is writing of "sin unto death" (1Joh 5:16) it is in the same context as Paul's "sin unto death" (Rom 6:16) which is simply willful disobedience.
It is no surprise then that the Bible says this...
Hebrews Chapter 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
To sin willfully is to sin unto death and there is no sacrifice for this kind of sin. Why is there no sacrifice for this kind of sin?
It is because the cleansing of the blood is conditional on walking in the light.
1 John Chapter 1
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Also take note that in Heb 10:29 it states that willful sin after being sanctified is sinning against the Spirit of Grace. This is important because Paul taught this...
Romans Chapter 5 and 6
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Grace abounds when sin abounds but grace does not abound in order that one can keep on sinning. Grace is not to be a license to sin (Jud 4). This is why Paul clearly states when we die to sin we are not to continue in it, if we continue in it it reveals who our true master is for we are slaves to whom we obey.
A Christian is buried in baptism into the death of Christ (through repentance) where the old man is crucified that the body of sin be destroyed. It is this death of the old man (which permits obedience to the truth) that frees an individual from the slavery of sin (while it is the blood of Christ that sets us free from the dominion of sin). If an individual is still serving sin then they have not been set free indeed according to the Master Himself.
John Chapter 8
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
So in summary while the literal definition of the root word for sin is "missing the mark" (G264 Harmartano) the Scripture clearly delineates between presumptuous sin and non-presumptuous sin.
A Christian who has truly repented and forsaken their former life of rebellion to God has ceased from presumptuous sin (1Pet 4:1-2) for they have crucified the flesh with the passions and desires (Gal 5:24) and thus do not yield to those passions and sin unto death (Jam 1:14-15) but instead keep themselves (1Joh 5:18) and thus manifest the fruit of righteousness in their lives (1Joh 3:9-10).
While a new Christian has been purified within (1Pet 1:22-32, Heb 9:14, Heb 10:22, 1Joh 1:7-9) they are yet a babe in Christ (1Pet 2:2) and thus are susceptible to err and "sin not unto death" (1Joh 5:16-17) and thus needs to be perfected (Eph 4:12) until they come into the unity of the faith and a full measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ (Eph 4:13).
This is why Peter teaches that we are to "diligently add to our faith" (2Pet 1:5) and thus make our "calling and election sure" (2Pet 1:10) and thus ensure abundantly our entrance into the kingdom (2Pet 1:11). Which is why it is those who "patiently continue in doing good, seeking for glory, honour and immortality" who are rewarded eternal life (Rom 2:7) while the disobedient are not (Rom 2:8).
Always remember that Jesus came to redeem us from ALL iniquity and to PURIFY a peculiar people who would be zealous of good works. Beware of anyone who would teach otherwise.
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
The Pearl of Great Price: Obedience versus Transgression
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Romans 7:14 thru 20 Paul is telling us he has a sinful nature and he does things he does not want to do. And it because of sin.
1 John 1: 8-10 If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 2. If we confess our sins , He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10. If we claimed we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word has no place in our lives.
Hebrews 10:26 sins of apostasy
1 John 1: 8-10 If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 2. If we confess our sins , He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10. If we claimed we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word has no place in our lives.
Hebrews 10:26 sins of apostasy
The simplest way, to me to look at it is this, Paul says
If you are led by the Spirit you are not under law(and sin is transgression of the law)
Gal5:18
To be led by the Spirit is to in our hearts be looking to Christ and seeking to evermore follow after him. We do not want to sin, but follow after him, as long as we do so, Christ's sacrifice for us on the cross means all of our sin is covered by his death for us, so in God's eyes, we are not guilty of any sin if you like, though technically according to the definition of sin, we do sin.
The Christian walk is a journey, of coming ever closer to God through His Son, and growing more into the person God would have us to be. The more we follow after the Holy Spirit the more we grow, the more Holy a life we live, the closer to God we come
However, every Christian at times looks to the flesh in some way or another and takes their hearts and minds off Christ, when they do so they commit wilfull sin. So they are not then following after the Spirit, so you could say, according to what Paul wrote they are then at that time under law, so they are guilty of sin if you like by not following the terms of the new covenant. They then come before God and ask his forgiveness for their sin and God will give it. When we do wilfully sin, to me our relationship is damaged with God, but our standing with him in relation to our salvation remains secure.
I have found in my own life that when I have wilfully sinned, I normally repent of it very quickly, I have a conscience as to what I have done wrong. But if I have not quickly truly repented in my heart and continued to wilfully sin, God then allows situations to develop in my life that make it impossible for me to remain in my folly, I cannot succeed in it, problems mount up that I cannot cope with, and I eventually come before him with a contrite heart and ask His forgiveness. God loves us too much to let us succeed in our folly of looking away from His Son.
Hope that doesn't confuse you
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Christians can still sin but we are not supposed to. Ability does not imply necessity; sinning is not a necessity. If, however, we sin we have Jesus pleading our case with the Father. Christ's atonement was for the forgiveness of our sins, our deliverance from the stronghold of sin, and to empower us to live victorious lives thereafter through the Spirit of God in us, not to provide more leeway for rebellion. Those who believe in the mighty wondrous grace of God hold that one who is in Christ ought not to walk according to the flesh because He has provided us with all things that pertains to life and godliness. 
Most who profess Christ as their savior, have never repented as commanded, so they freely admit they watch porn, get drunk on occasion, have outbursts of anger, lie, cheat, steal, commit adultery, etc,, but the problem is they are still carnal, sold under sin, and will reap what they sow!
You Reap What you Sow (the inevitable consequences of sin)
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Gal6:7-8
The Bible assures us that the thief comes to Steal, Kill and Destroy; But Christ has come to bring abundant Life! (John10:10) Redemption in Christ is the Promise of a life FREE from the ‘Corruption’ that is in the world through lust. (2Pet1:3-4) Reaping Corruption is sowing unto Death, meaning in the Scripture the OPPOSITE of Spiritual, abundant Life! ‘For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you Put to death the deeds of the body you will live!’ Rom8:13
Corruption of the body is a natural occurrence. (from the dust you came to the dust you shall return Gen3:19) But Corruption of the spirit is a moral decadence that will result in Eternal misery separated from God. Death in the Bible is ‘Thanatos’, It is used in reference to Physical death of the body (1Cor15:54-56) and spiritual Death of the soul (as second death Rev20:6, 13-14) Therefore when the Scripture says that Sowing according to the flesh Reaps Corruption or Death (Rom8, Gal6) it applies to the spirit of man reaping eternal misery in hell.
Why would Peter say in 2Pet1:4 that the Promises were given so that man could ESCAPE the Corruption that is in the world through Lust, if it meant anything LESS than the Same Corruption people walking according to the lust and uncleanness of their flesh would also suffer? (2Pet2:10, 12) The same holds true of Rom8:6 ‘To be Carnally minded is Death, to be spiritually minded is life and Peace’. Carnal is FLESH, Sarx, Sowing to the Flesh reaps Corruption and Death, in the Same sense as Gal6, eternal misery in hell. It doesn’t require a degree in Rocket Science to Understand this!
The early Christians (untainted by the doctrines & opinions of men) said there ‘There are two ways, one of life, one of death and there is a GREAT Difference between the two Ways’ (Didache 1:1) In their Minds the Gospel of Christ was a CHOICE man had to make between the WIDE Road leading to Destruction or the NARROW Way leading to life eternal. (Matt7:14) If ‘Christians’ could Sow Continually to the lust of their flesh, reaping only destruction and misery in their lives on earth, and STILL inherit eternal life, there is really no Point in the Bible to Differentiate between Ways. Therefore if BOTH Ways lead to eternal life WHY put forth any Effort to Escape the Corruption to begin with?
Herein is the Great Delusion of Present Day Professing Christianity.
They Wallow in Corruption, Shame, Degradation and Destruction, CRYING out for help because sin has made ruination of their lives, BUT YET REMAIN in the Pig Pen descending deeper and deeper into the depths of their own depravity. The Words of their Pastor-Shepherds have made them Worthless as they seek godly council and find only further Vain Promises of Peace that cannot profit. They gather before the Lord without Shame and claim His Promise of eternal life while they Walk according to the evil desires (and imaginations) of their flesh. But SIN is NOT without its Consequences if the remnants of a conscience still reside within their heart.
As certain as you will Reap what you Sow, so also SIN will Separate you from God. ‘Your iniquities have separated you from your God and your sins have hidden His face from you!’ Isa59:2. ‘He who covers his sins shall not prosper, but confesses and FORSAKES them shall have mercy!’ Prov28:13. The Eternal Truth remains despite what the worthless Shepherds are saying …. MERCY is extended ONLY to those who FORSAKE (depart from, leave behind, abandon, get free from) their SINS! But if you believe within your mind that you can never STOP Sinning then the outcome of Judgment is certain, and anguish and distress will be your constant companions in life.
Reaping a Harvest of Sin!
Here’s a Short List of the Common Sins Professing Christians are admittedly in bondage to:
1) Internet Pornography, rampant among Pastors, church leaders & men in general
2) Marriage infidelity including all sorts of unclean relationships, same sex & multiple partners
3) Fornications with multiple partners involving children born to unwed mothers, beatings, moral abuse
4) Drunkenness, worldly indulgences, excessive debauchery and abominable behavior
Professing Christians like to put on airs to maintain a ‘form’ of godliness. Although the churches are hot beds for immoral behavior of every sort, not everyone has soiled themselves to the same level of corruption as described above. BUT by their silence in the midst of such ungodliness they are approving of those who DO practice these things! (Rom1:31) No one could say it better than Prophet Jeremiah:
“They have sown wheat but reaped thorns; They have put themselves to pain but do not profit. But be ashamed of you Harvest because the Lord’s anger is against you!’ Jer23:13
In accordance this perfectly describes the perspective of present Day Christianity. They SOW the Word of God into the thorny hearts of a stiff necked people bent on plowing in a field of iniquity; thus eating the fruit of lies and trusting in their own way. (Hosea10:13) They claim ‘this is God’s merciful Love!’ BUT again they error because ‘Those who LOVE GOD HATE Sin!’ Ps97:10 and they possess a burning urgency in their hearts to pull such people OUT of the fire before it’s too late! They NEVER passively assume that people doing such things are on Safe ground with God. (because you reap what you sow!)
Lies make the heart of the Righteous sad Ezk13:22 and when they hear a Pastor promising sinners liberty in Christ while they remain slaves to their corruption 2Pet2:18, they Grieve with God! They can NEVER stand by while the Church patronizes people living in vile sins of the flesh with a smile and handshake in the pretense of a phony love they THINK pleases God. BUT they know NOTHING about the True Nature of God! LOVE DOES NOT Rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the Truth! 1Cor13:6. If you loved them as God loves you would TELL them the TRUTH about sin!
‘By Mercy and Truth iniquity is purged and by the fear of the Lord men DEPART evil!’ Prov16:6
But it’s a ‘Judge not’ world among the professed today. No one (including the Pastors) sheds a tear for the lost souls sowing corruption and death. Collectively they have ALL bought into the same lies that everyone’s a wretched sinner saved by Grace and has no place telling others what they should or should not do. They all Sup at the same table in darkness and delusion and its God’s responsibility to ‘Clean’ up the sin in His own good time. BUT HOW can anyone TURN from sin they believe is already PRE-FORGIVEN when they (supposedly) accepted Christ? There is no incentive to motivate a true godly sorrow that would lead to a genuine repentance and clearing of the wrong doing. It’s too easy and much more conducive to excuse the sin as some inbred malady and continue believing God is lenient.
(After all the sun continues to rise, the rain fall, blessings flow and Judgment lingers)
But His longsuffering, goodness and Patience (waiting for you to come to you senses and Repent Rom2:4) is wasted on those in the Delusion of pre-forgiven sins. They were Born in sin, Justified in sin and glory in it without shame or fear of Judgment. They can Sow a HARVEST of iniquity and tell others all day long how much they LOVE God and rejoice in His presence, while they drag His Holy Name into the gutters of lust, perversion, drunkenness, broken homes and filth! HOW long before the Ax is laid to the Root and the Lord’s winnowing fan purges out the chaff? Matt3:12
‘They commit adultery and walk in lies strengthening the hand of the wicked so NO ONE TURNS Back from their Evil Ways!’ Jer23:14
For You have magnified Your word above all Your name. Ps138:1-2
Man’s Concept of God determines his understanding of Right and Wrong, Darkness and Light and the Righteous and the Wicked. Without proper discernment into these matters man will device a distorted perception of Righteous Judgment. They will NOT be able to distinguish between those who serve God and those who do not serve Him. (Malachi 3:10) This skewed Image of God is the reason why so many Professing Christians believe the can Sow to their fleshly (carnal) Corruptions and still Reap LIFE!
What the Religious Establishment has done in the Name of Christianity is Create an IMAGE of God that has the appearance of Righteousness but reflects the nature of man. (i.e. as fully explained in Romans chapter 1:18-31. They know Him as the God of Creation, including His attributes of holiness, mercy and love. Even recognize His eternal power and Godhead, but FAIL to properly glorify Him as revealed). Thus they create in their minds an IMAGE made like ‘corruptible’ Man. Consequently God’s revealed sense of fairness is offset in favor of Sin. No longer does He Judge a sinful person by searching their hearts, testing their minds and GIVING to everyone According to their WAYS. (Jer17:10) {reap what you sow}
NOW He reverses the Process and Rewards the sinful & double-minded with Eternal Life!
In this manner a genuine Righteous Judgment is impossible. (Jh7:24) The ill-defined image of God’s Mercy in the mind of man has rendered the distinction between the Righteous and Wicked indistinguishable. Thoughtlessly professing Christians will call evil good and good evil wholly unaware they are mocking God! (Isa5:20, Gal6:7) They refuse His healing and arrogantly proclaim ‘who can boast having a Pure heart or declare boldly they are clean from sin!’ As though God hand is shortened that it cannot FREE them from the corrupting influence of Sin. (Isa59:1-2, 2Pet1:3-4)
Because the Professing Christian System has a wrong concept of God they deny the possibility of having a Pure heart and use that as an EXCUSE NOT to Pursue one. And since there is also no possibility of being cleansed (clean inside) of sin they use that as an excuse to sin more. By necessity Pastors and other Bible Pundits will rationalize Righteousness (even the possibility of doing what is right by faith working by love) calling it ‘Unrighteousness’, and slandering the truly ‘Holy’ person as unclean! (Prov21:14, Ps37:21)
Scripture reveals that the Law of the Lord is Perfect converting the soul. His testimony is Sure, His statutes Right. His Commandment is Pure enlightening the eyes and the fear of the Lord is CLEAN! Ps19:7-9. Blessed is the man who KEEPS His Word and Seeks Him with the whole heart. He will do no iniquity, Walk in His ways and Diligently searche out the depths of understanding. Ps119:2-6. The WORD is his Rock, his lamp, his constant companion to guide him in his daily walk. He guards his heart with discernment and rejoices to DO what is Right! (Prov6:23, Ps62:6, 1Jh3:7)
The Double-minded (carnal) cannot know the real Mercy of God. They can only devise a reflection of themselves from reading His Word with duplicity in their hearts; So that the Righteous Judgments of God are not fair to recompense every man according to his ways. (reaping what they have sown, corruption or life: ‘Return now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good! Jer18:11, Ezk18:29-32) BUT instead of repenting (and forsaking) the deceptions that excuse their sin they find a false sense of Justification in unrighteousness! (thus ‘suppressing’ the Truth and exchanging it for a lie Rom1:18, 25) Accordingly the Professing Christian Establishment is REAPING a HARVEST of Sin!
Sow for yourselves righteousness; Reap in mercy; Break up your fallow ground, For it is time to seek the LORD, Till He comes and rains righteousness on you. You have plowed wickedness; You have reaped iniquity. You have eaten the fruit of lies, Because you trusted in your own way, Hosea10:12-13 Courtesy standingthegap.org
You Reap What you Sow (the inevitable consequences of sin)
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Gal6:7-8
The Bible assures us that the thief comes to Steal, Kill and Destroy; But Christ has come to bring abundant Life! (John10:10) Redemption in Christ is the Promise of a life FREE from the ‘Corruption’ that is in the world through lust. (2Pet1:3-4) Reaping Corruption is sowing unto Death, meaning in the Scripture the OPPOSITE of Spiritual, abundant Life! ‘For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you Put to death the deeds of the body you will live!’ Rom8:13
Corruption of the body is a natural occurrence. (from the dust you came to the dust you shall return Gen3:19) But Corruption of the spirit is a moral decadence that will result in Eternal misery separated from God. Death in the Bible is ‘Thanatos’, It is used in reference to Physical death of the body (1Cor15:54-56) and spiritual Death of the soul (as second death Rev20:6, 13-14) Therefore when the Scripture says that Sowing according to the flesh Reaps Corruption or Death (Rom8, Gal6) it applies to the spirit of man reaping eternal misery in hell.
Why would Peter say in 2Pet1:4 that the Promises were given so that man could ESCAPE the Corruption that is in the world through Lust, if it meant anything LESS than the Same Corruption people walking according to the lust and uncleanness of their flesh would also suffer? (2Pet2:10, 12) The same holds true of Rom8:6 ‘To be Carnally minded is Death, to be spiritually minded is life and Peace’. Carnal is FLESH, Sarx, Sowing to the Flesh reaps Corruption and Death, in the Same sense as Gal6, eternal misery in hell. It doesn’t require a degree in Rocket Science to Understand this!
The early Christians (untainted by the doctrines & opinions of men) said there ‘There are two ways, one of life, one of death and there is a GREAT Difference between the two Ways’ (Didache 1:1) In their Minds the Gospel of Christ was a CHOICE man had to make between the WIDE Road leading to Destruction or the NARROW Way leading to life eternal. (Matt7:14) If ‘Christians’ could Sow Continually to the lust of their flesh, reaping only destruction and misery in their lives on earth, and STILL inherit eternal life, there is really no Point in the Bible to Differentiate between Ways. Therefore if BOTH Ways lead to eternal life WHY put forth any Effort to Escape the Corruption to begin with?
Herein is the Great Delusion of Present Day Professing Christianity.
They Wallow in Corruption, Shame, Degradation and Destruction, CRYING out for help because sin has made ruination of their lives, BUT YET REMAIN in the Pig Pen descending deeper and deeper into the depths of their own depravity. The Words of their Pastor-Shepherds have made them Worthless as they seek godly council and find only further Vain Promises of Peace that cannot profit. They gather before the Lord without Shame and claim His Promise of eternal life while they Walk according to the evil desires (and imaginations) of their flesh. But SIN is NOT without its Consequences if the remnants of a conscience still reside within their heart.
As certain as you will Reap what you Sow, so also SIN will Separate you from God. ‘Your iniquities have separated you from your God and your sins have hidden His face from you!’ Isa59:2. ‘He who covers his sins shall not prosper, but confesses and FORSAKES them shall have mercy!’ Prov28:13. The Eternal Truth remains despite what the worthless Shepherds are saying …. MERCY is extended ONLY to those who FORSAKE (depart from, leave behind, abandon, get free from) their SINS! But if you believe within your mind that you can never STOP Sinning then the outcome of Judgment is certain, and anguish and distress will be your constant companions in life.
Reaping a Harvest of Sin!
Here’s a Short List of the Common Sins Professing Christians are admittedly in bondage to:
1) Internet Pornography, rampant among Pastors, church leaders & men in general
2) Marriage infidelity including all sorts of unclean relationships, same sex & multiple partners
3) Fornications with multiple partners involving children born to unwed mothers, beatings, moral abuse
4) Drunkenness, worldly indulgences, excessive debauchery and abominable behavior
Professing Christians like to put on airs to maintain a ‘form’ of godliness. Although the churches are hot beds for immoral behavior of every sort, not everyone has soiled themselves to the same level of corruption as described above. BUT by their silence in the midst of such ungodliness they are approving of those who DO practice these things! (Rom1:31) No one could say it better than Prophet Jeremiah:
“They have sown wheat but reaped thorns; They have put themselves to pain but do not profit. But be ashamed of you Harvest because the Lord’s anger is against you!’ Jer23:13
In accordance this perfectly describes the perspective of present Day Christianity. They SOW the Word of God into the thorny hearts of a stiff necked people bent on plowing in a field of iniquity; thus eating the fruit of lies and trusting in their own way. (Hosea10:13) They claim ‘this is God’s merciful Love!’ BUT again they error because ‘Those who LOVE GOD HATE Sin!’ Ps97:10 and they possess a burning urgency in their hearts to pull such people OUT of the fire before it’s too late! They NEVER passively assume that people doing such things are on Safe ground with God. (because you reap what you sow!)
Lies make the heart of the Righteous sad Ezk13:22 and when they hear a Pastor promising sinners liberty in Christ while they remain slaves to their corruption 2Pet2:18, they Grieve with God! They can NEVER stand by while the Church patronizes people living in vile sins of the flesh with a smile and handshake in the pretense of a phony love they THINK pleases God. BUT they know NOTHING about the True Nature of God! LOVE DOES NOT Rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the Truth! 1Cor13:6. If you loved them as God loves you would TELL them the TRUTH about sin!
‘By Mercy and Truth iniquity is purged and by the fear of the Lord men DEPART evil!’ Prov16:6
But it’s a ‘Judge not’ world among the professed today. No one (including the Pastors) sheds a tear for the lost souls sowing corruption and death. Collectively they have ALL bought into the same lies that everyone’s a wretched sinner saved by Grace and has no place telling others what they should or should not do. They all Sup at the same table in darkness and delusion and its God’s responsibility to ‘Clean’ up the sin in His own good time. BUT HOW can anyone TURN from sin they believe is already PRE-FORGIVEN when they (supposedly) accepted Christ? There is no incentive to motivate a true godly sorrow that would lead to a genuine repentance and clearing of the wrong doing. It’s too easy and much more conducive to excuse the sin as some inbred malady and continue believing God is lenient.
(After all the sun continues to rise, the rain fall, blessings flow and Judgment lingers)
But His longsuffering, goodness and Patience (waiting for you to come to you senses and Repent Rom2:4) is wasted on those in the Delusion of pre-forgiven sins. They were Born in sin, Justified in sin and glory in it without shame or fear of Judgment. They can Sow a HARVEST of iniquity and tell others all day long how much they LOVE God and rejoice in His presence, while they drag His Holy Name into the gutters of lust, perversion, drunkenness, broken homes and filth! HOW long before the Ax is laid to the Root and the Lord’s winnowing fan purges out the chaff? Matt3:12
‘They commit adultery and walk in lies strengthening the hand of the wicked so NO ONE TURNS Back from their Evil Ways!’ Jer23:14
For You have magnified Your word above all Your name. Ps138:1-2
Man’s Concept of God determines his understanding of Right and Wrong, Darkness and Light and the Righteous and the Wicked. Without proper discernment into these matters man will device a distorted perception of Righteous Judgment. They will NOT be able to distinguish between those who serve God and those who do not serve Him. (Malachi 3:10) This skewed Image of God is the reason why so many Professing Christians believe the can Sow to their fleshly (carnal) Corruptions and still Reap LIFE!
What the Religious Establishment has done in the Name of Christianity is Create an IMAGE of God that has the appearance of Righteousness but reflects the nature of man. (i.e. as fully explained in Romans chapter 1:18-31. They know Him as the God of Creation, including His attributes of holiness, mercy and love. Even recognize His eternal power and Godhead, but FAIL to properly glorify Him as revealed). Thus they create in their minds an IMAGE made like ‘corruptible’ Man. Consequently God’s revealed sense of fairness is offset in favor of Sin. No longer does He Judge a sinful person by searching their hearts, testing their minds and GIVING to everyone According to their WAYS. (Jer17:10) {reap what you sow}
NOW He reverses the Process and Rewards the sinful & double-minded with Eternal Life!
In this manner a genuine Righteous Judgment is impossible. (Jh7:24) The ill-defined image of God’s Mercy in the mind of man has rendered the distinction between the Righteous and Wicked indistinguishable. Thoughtlessly professing Christians will call evil good and good evil wholly unaware they are mocking God! (Isa5:20, Gal6:7) They refuse His healing and arrogantly proclaim ‘who can boast having a Pure heart or declare boldly they are clean from sin!’ As though God hand is shortened that it cannot FREE them from the corrupting influence of Sin. (Isa59:1-2, 2Pet1:3-4)
Because the Professing Christian System has a wrong concept of God they deny the possibility of having a Pure heart and use that as an EXCUSE NOT to Pursue one. And since there is also no possibility of being cleansed (clean inside) of sin they use that as an excuse to sin more. By necessity Pastors and other Bible Pundits will rationalize Righteousness (even the possibility of doing what is right by faith working by love) calling it ‘Unrighteousness’, and slandering the truly ‘Holy’ person as unclean! (Prov21:14, Ps37:21)
Scripture reveals that the Law of the Lord is Perfect converting the soul. His testimony is Sure, His statutes Right. His Commandment is Pure enlightening the eyes and the fear of the Lord is CLEAN! Ps19:7-9. Blessed is the man who KEEPS His Word and Seeks Him with the whole heart. He will do no iniquity, Walk in His ways and Diligently searche out the depths of understanding. Ps119:2-6. The WORD is his Rock, his lamp, his constant companion to guide him in his daily walk. He guards his heart with discernment and rejoices to DO what is Right! (Prov6:23, Ps62:6, 1Jh3:7)
The Double-minded (carnal) cannot know the real Mercy of God. They can only devise a reflection of themselves from reading His Word with duplicity in their hearts; So that the Righteous Judgments of God are not fair to recompense every man according to his ways. (reaping what they have sown, corruption or life: ‘Return now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good! Jer18:11, Ezk18:29-32) BUT instead of repenting (and forsaking) the deceptions that excuse their sin they find a false sense of Justification in unrighteousness! (thus ‘suppressing’ the Truth and exchanging it for a lie Rom1:18, 25) Accordingly the Professing Christian Establishment is REAPING a HARVEST of Sin!
Sow for yourselves righteousness; Reap in mercy; Break up your fallow ground, For it is time to seek the LORD, Till He comes and rains righteousness on you. You have plowed wickedness; You have reaped iniquity. You have eaten the fruit of lies, Because you trusted in your own way, Hosea10:12-13 Courtesy standingthegap.org
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Hi purpldaisies80,
I differ from both these scenarios you raised.
Whilst Christians are not perfect in our physical state, these failings are not what determines whether we are sinner or not.
Scripture confirms that in Christ we are justified, hence Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge us with sin.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Firstly, lets consider what the definition of "sin" is. God's definitions of sin are the only one's to use. Man's ambiguous traditional notion that "sin" is bad behavior, is not supported in scripture.
Below are a few examples of God's definitions of sin:
Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17 (Christians are righteous in Christ, so in this regard we do not sin)
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9 (Christians believe in Jesus, so in this regard we do not sin)
Transgression of the law, 1John 3:4 (Christians are not under the law, so in this regard we do not sin)
Regarding sin/transgression of the law, Christians cannot be accused of this sin as we are not under the law of sin and death.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets free from the law of sin and death, (Rom 8:2).
"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness," Rom 10:4
Regarding the law of sin and death it should be noted that:
“whatever the law says it says to those who are under it” (Rom 3:19).
“the law was not made for a righteous person (Christians), but for…the ungodly and for sinners” (1Tim 1:9).
“where there is no law there is no transgression (SIN)” (Rom 4:15).
Only our past sin was dealt with at the cross.
Rom 3:25: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,"
It was only our past sins that were forgiven. That means there is no more forgiveness of sin after this as sin was finally dealt with at the cross. Christ's sacrifice totally purged/cleansed us of sin. After that there is no more subsequent sin because our righteousness is not judged by deeds of the law anymore. Instead our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
When we are in Christ, believing in him, then we are righteous (Rom 4:5), sanctified (Heb 10:10), holy (Rom 11:16) and perfected (Heb 10:14), hence Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.
Consider also 1Pet 4:18
“If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear”.
Clearly there are 2 different groups described here.
Group 1: Righteous (and saved).
Group 2: Ungodly/Sinner (unsaved).
Either we are righteous (in Christ) OR we are sinners. We can't be both.
In Christ we have "ceased from sin", 1Pet 4:1
How have we "ceased from sin?
We believe in Jesus, thus our old man has been crucified with him, Rom 6:6.
Now, I no longer live but Christ lives in me, Gal 2:20. And in Christ there is no sin, 1John 3:5
1Pet 4:1
“Therefore, since Christ suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind (our old man crucified with him. Rom 6:6), for he who has suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) has ceased from sin”.
And this is also confirmed by 1John 3:9
“Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God”.
Truly Jesus set us free from sin (John 8:36).
And as for those physical failings that we still see, remember that body is already dead (by faith) because of sin.
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;
As your body is already dead (by faith) because of sin (crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6) therefore Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge you with sin, Rom 8:33.
On a separate point, regarding our obvious physical failings/wrongs, we will not profit in doing them. Although our righteousness is not determined by this, there are physical consequences for any wrongs we do. Consider King David with his adultery/murder. He was disciplined by God.
But in regards to our righteousness, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
We are born of God (1John 5:1) and cannot sin (1John 3:9). So Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.
Now regarding the willful sin spoken about in Heb 10:26, this is speaking about turning back to the law/10 commandments for righteousness. Note Gal 2:18 describing how turning back to the law for righteousness makes you a sinner.
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.(Sinner)
Now when reading Heb 10:26:
For if we sin wilfully (turning back to the law thus making yourself a transgressor, Gal 2:18) after that we have received the knowledge of the truth (the gospel of grace), there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Turning back to the law/10 commandments for righteousness is unbelief in Jesus. And unbelief in Jesus is the sin the world is convicted of.
Our works that shows our faith is believing in Jesus, John 6:29
If you believe in Jesus, then you are born of God, 1John 5:1 and thus cannot sin because his seed (Christ) is in you, 1John 3:9. You're righteous in Christ hence nobody, (not even Satan the accuser) can charge you with sin, Rom 8:33
I differ from both these scenarios you raised.
Whilst Christians are not perfect in our physical state, these failings are not what determines whether we are sinner or not.
Scripture confirms that in Christ we are justified, hence Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge us with sin.
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Firstly, lets consider what the definition of "sin" is. God's definitions of sin are the only one's to use. Man's ambiguous traditional notion that "sin" is bad behavior, is not supported in scripture.
Below are a few examples of God's definitions of sin:
Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17 (Christians are righteous in Christ, so in this regard we do not sin)
Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9 (Christians believe in Jesus, so in this regard we do not sin)
Transgression of the law, 1John 3:4 (Christians are not under the law, so in this regard we do not sin)
Regarding sin/transgression of the law, Christians cannot be accused of this sin as we are not under the law of sin and death.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets free from the law of sin and death, (Rom 8:2).
"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness," Rom 10:4
Regarding the law of sin and death it should be noted that:
“whatever the law says it says to those who are under it” (Rom 3:19).
“the law was not made for a righteous person (Christians), but for…the ungodly and for sinners” (1Tim 1:9).
“where there is no law there is no transgression (SIN)” (Rom 4:15).
Only our past sin was dealt with at the cross.
Rom 3:25: "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,"
It was only our past sins that were forgiven. That means there is no more forgiveness of sin after this as sin was finally dealt with at the cross. Christ's sacrifice totally purged/cleansed us of sin. After that there is no more subsequent sin because our righteousness is not judged by deeds of the law anymore. Instead our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
When we are in Christ, believing in him, then we are righteous (Rom 4:5), sanctified (Heb 10:10), holy (Rom 11:16) and perfected (Heb 10:14), hence Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.
Consider also 1Pet 4:18
“If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear”.
Clearly there are 2 different groups described here.
Group 1: Righteous (and saved).
Group 2: Ungodly/Sinner (unsaved).
Either we are righteous (in Christ) OR we are sinners. We can't be both.
In Christ we have "ceased from sin", 1Pet 4:1
How have we "ceased from sin?
We believe in Jesus, thus our old man has been crucified with him, Rom 6:6.
Now, I no longer live but Christ lives in me, Gal 2:20. And in Christ there is no sin, 1John 3:5
1Pet 4:1
“Therefore, since Christ suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind (our old man crucified with him. Rom 6:6), for he who has suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) has ceased from sin”.
And this is also confirmed by 1John 3:9
“Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God”.
Truly Jesus set us free from sin (John 8:36).
And as for those physical failings that we still see, remember that body is already dead (by faith) because of sin.
Rom 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin;
As your body is already dead (by faith) because of sin (crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6) therefore Satan, the accuser, can no longer charge you with sin, Rom 8:33.
On a separate point, regarding our obvious physical failings/wrongs, we will not profit in doing them. Although our righteousness is not determined by this, there are physical consequences for any wrongs we do. Consider King David with his adultery/murder. He was disciplined by God.
But in regards to our righteousness, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
We are born of God (1John 5:1) and cannot sin (1John 3:9). So Satan, the accuser, cannot charge us with sin, Rom 8:33.
Now regarding the willful sin spoken about in Heb 10:26, this is speaking about turning back to the law/10 commandments for righteousness. Note Gal 2:18 describing how turning back to the law for righteousness makes you a sinner.
Gal 2:18
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.(Sinner)
Now when reading Heb 10:26:
For if we sin wilfully (turning back to the law thus making yourself a transgressor, Gal 2:18) after that we have received the knowledge of the truth (the gospel of grace), there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Turning back to the law/10 commandments for righteousness is unbelief in Jesus. And unbelief in Jesus is the sin the world is convicted of.
Our works that shows our faith is believing in Jesus, John 6:29
If you believe in Jesus, then you are born of God, 1John 5:1 and thus cannot sin because his seed (Christ) is in you, 1John 3:9. You're righteous in Christ hence nobody, (not even Satan the accuser) can charge you with sin, Rom 8:33
Very deceptive twisting of the Scripture you have done there.
You have snipped and de-contextualised many passages in order to promote the view that a Christian does not sin in the context of being identified in Christ while practically they still actually do.
This short passage reveals the truth on the issue.
1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
It is your MANIFEST CONDUCT which reveals whom you belong to and not some abstract notion of being identified with Jesus because you "believe" in Him. You left out the verse with MANIFEST in it because it contradicts your deceptive assertion.
Belief is more than a mental assent to the existence of Jesus and the work that he performed. Belief is the internal conviction by which one is a "doer of the word." This is why throughout the Bible belief is contrasted with unbelief in the context obedience versus disobedience.
When Paul teaches that it is the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ which sets us free from sin and death he is speaking of the present walk of ABIDING IN CHRIST which means YOU ARE WALKING AFTER THE SPIRIT. An individual cannot be walking after the lusts of the flesh and be abiding in Christ at the same time.
Here is that verse IN CONTEXT.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
A Christian does not "sin unto death" because they KEEP THEMSELVES and thus mortify the deeds of the body.
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
When Peter teaches that we have ceased from sin it is in the context of no longer serving the lusts of men which means it is related to YOUR ACTUAL CONDUCT. Yet you omit that context and twist verse 1 into implying that a Christian does not sin in their being "identified in Christ" while they practically still do sin.
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
God is going to judge everyone by their CONDUCT.
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
When the Bible says that God imputes faith as righteousness it is in the context of God looking at the heart as opposed to us having to do outward works to earn or make us righteous. The kind of faith that God reckons as righteousness (Rom 4:5) is a faith that has an associated walk (Rom 4:11-12), a faith that involves a full persuasion of the mind (Rom 4:20-22), a faith which obeys (Heb 11:8).
Folks, don't fall for those who isolate and twist the Scripture unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
You have snipped and de-contextualised many passages in order to promote the view that a Christian does not sin in the context of being identified in Christ while practically they still actually do.
This short passage reveals the truth on the issue.
1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
It is your MANIFEST CONDUCT which reveals whom you belong to and not some abstract notion of being identified with Jesus because you "believe" in Him. You left out the verse with MANIFEST in it because it contradicts your deceptive assertion.
Belief is more than a mental assent to the existence of Jesus and the work that he performed. Belief is the internal conviction by which one is a "doer of the word." This is why throughout the Bible belief is contrasted with unbelief in the context obedience versus disobedience.
When Paul teaches that it is the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ which sets us free from sin and death he is speaking of the present walk of ABIDING IN CHRIST which means YOU ARE WALKING AFTER THE SPIRIT. An individual cannot be walking after the lusts of the flesh and be abiding in Christ at the same time.
Here is that verse IN CONTEXT.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
A Christian does not "sin unto death" because they KEEP THEMSELVES and thus mortify the deeds of the body.
1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
When Peter teaches that we have ceased from sin it is in the context of no longer serving the lusts of men which means it is related to YOUR ACTUAL CONDUCT. Yet you omit that context and twist verse 1 into implying that a Christian does not sin in their being "identified in Christ" while they practically still do sin.
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
God is going to judge everyone by their CONDUCT.
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
When the Bible says that God imputes faith as righteousness it is in the context of God looking at the heart as opposed to us having to do outward works to earn or make us righteous. The kind of faith that God reckons as righteousness (Rom 4:5) is a faith that has an associated walk (Rom 4:11-12), a faith that involves a full persuasion of the mind (Rom 4:20-22), a faith which obeys (Heb 11:8).
Folks, don't fall for those who isolate and twist the Scripture unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Skinski,
Please answer this,
Jesus on the night He was betrayed,prayed in the garden,says He has not lost one of them except for Judas,and they have kept His word. (Mind you this is after He has rebuked the disciples for being a perverse generation and has rebuked them over and over) Mind you Jesus already knows that within an hour,the disciples will scatter, Peter will cut the ear off the servants head,and not only that Peter will deny Him three time before the night is over. Peter has already implied that Jesus lied about Peter denying Him,and years later Paul will rebuke Peter for being a hypocrite. Yet not once does Jesus pray that He is losing them or that they will be lost for a time,the question is why didn't He,why did He say He has not lost one and not pray a preventative pray about losing them?
Please answer this,
Jesus on the night He was betrayed,prayed in the garden,says He has not lost one of them except for Judas,and they have kept His word. (Mind you this is after He has rebuked the disciples for being a perverse generation and has rebuked them over and over) Mind you Jesus already knows that within an hour,the disciples will scatter, Peter will cut the ear off the servants head,and not only that Peter will deny Him three time before the night is over. Peter has already implied that Jesus lied about Peter denying Him,and years later Paul will rebuke Peter for being a hypocrite. Yet not once does Jesus pray that He is losing them or that they will be lost for a time,the question is why didn't He,why did He say He has not lost one and not pray a preventative pray about losing them?
I'd love to know which churches you refer to who allow the above behaviour in them?.
The ones I have been to wouldn't allow anyone to belong to their church if they flagrantly committed adultery, drunkeness, admitted to watching porn, etc, tis a mystery to me which churches you are referring to. In 30 years of going to church, I never came accross one you constantly refer to
The ones I have been to wouldn't allow anyone to belong to their church if they flagrantly committed adultery, drunkeness, admitted to watching porn, etc, tis a mystery to me which churches you are referring to. In 30 years of going to church, I never came accross one you constantly refer to
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