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it gets worse.
he's been doing it all over the forum since he got here, and 2 or 3 years ago when he was here.
i'll keep posting.
you decide.
its heresy.
the exact opposite of what scriptures says.
he says Christians should be shoulder to shoulder with our brothers (unbelieving jews/Pharisees) - that means stand with unbelieving Israel who are SAVED ANYWAYS, because they appear to possibly study Torah....against the BEAST Islam.
he's been doing it all over the forum since he got here, and 2 or 3 years ago when he was here.
i'll keep posting.
you decide.
its heresy.
the exact opposite of what scriptures says.
he says Christians should be shoulder to shoulder with our brothers (unbelieving jews/Pharisees) - that means stand with unbelieving Israel who are SAVED ANYWAYS, because they appear to possibly study Torah....against the BEAST Islam.
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preserved =
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συντηρέω
suntēreō
Thayer Definition:
1) to preserve (a thing from perishing or being lost)
2) to keep within one’s self, keep in mind (a thing, lest it be forgotten)
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4862 and G5083
Citing in TDNT: 8:151, 1174
G4933
συντηρέω
suntēreō
Thayer Definition:
1) to preserve (a thing from perishing or being lost)
2) to keep within one’s self, keep in mind (a thing, lest it be forgotten)
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4862 and G5083
Citing in TDNT: 8:151, 1174
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Therapon. Can you clarify for me please?
I'm asking about this post link--->http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57042-connecting-dots-2.html#post903399
It says...
Are you saying that if a Jew rejects Jesus, they are still granted eternal life with the Father and Son and Holy Spirit?
I'm asking about this post link--->http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57042-connecting-dots-2.html#post903399
It says...
Are you saying that if a Jew rejects Jesus, they are still granted eternal life with the Father and Son and Holy Spirit?
[h=3]Jesus Questioned About Fasting[/h][SUP]33 [/SUP]They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Can you make the friends of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? [SUP]35 [/SUP]But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast.”
[SUP]36 [/SUP]He told them this parable: “No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. [SUP]37 [/SUP]And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. [SUP]38 [/SUP]No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better
Luke5:33-39
I have always taken the above to mean that most wanted to cling to the old covenant rather than the Gospel Christ came to bring(new covenant)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Can you make the friends of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? [SUP]35 [/SUP]But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast.”
[SUP]36 [/SUP]He told them this parable: “No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. [SUP]37 [/SUP]And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. [SUP]38 [/SUP]No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better
Luke5:33-39
I have always taken the above to mean that most wanted to cling to the old covenant rather than the Gospel Christ came to bring(new covenant)
??? huh?
you based EVERYTHING on this.
and you have thousands, maybe more you teach this to.
what GENTILE CHURCH?
there's ONE church - believing jew and believing gentile.
the unbelievers are CUT OFF....not preserved.
you have done this kind of fancy-footwork with EVERYTHING you have touched in the Holy Scriptures.
changed it ALL.
and you have reams of writing and videos and seminars RANTING against all who have ever taught and believed otherwise.
railing against the church for KNOWING the Pharisees were cut off.
you have called us all every name in the book for holding to what The Bible says!
you said YOU got new revelation that God was giving NEW DOCTRINAL UPDATES....that He was revealing NEW DOCTRINE and NEW SOTERIOLGY for the jews.
you based EVERYTHING on this.
and you have thousands, maybe more you teach this to.
what GENTILE CHURCH?
there's ONE church - believing jew and believing gentile.
the unbelievers are CUT OFF....not preserved.
you have done this kind of fancy-footwork with EVERYTHING you have touched in the Holy Scriptures.
changed it ALL.
and you have reams of writing and videos and seminars RANTING against all who have ever taught and believed otherwise.
railing against the church for KNOWING the Pharisees were cut off.
you have called us all every name in the book for holding to what The Bible says!
you said YOU got new revelation that God was giving NEW DOCTRINAL UPDATES....that He was revealing NEW DOCTRINE and NEW SOTERIOLGY for the jews.
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Joh 3:3 - 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Let’s start with the basic premise that the words of Christ from the gospel of John are true and that regardless of whether one is New or Old Testament saint they must be born again if they are to enter the kingdom of God. If this were not the case then why would Christ have expected Nicodemus to understand the concept of being born again before the crucifixion and resurrection? The belief that Old Testament saints must know Christ just as you and I do is further confirmed by;
1Co 10:1- 4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Scripture makes it clear that from Adam until the Lord returns the only way one can enter the kingdom of God is to come to know Christ and be born again. As 1Co10:1-4 shows even Old Testament saints like Abraham and Moses drink from the same Rock you and I drink from and that Rock is Christ. Abraham and Moses did not know His name was Jesus they only knew Him as the Messiah. The only difference between an Old Testament saint and a New Testament is not how they are born again but by the method God used to reveal Himself to the two different groups. He revealed Himself to the Old Testament saint through the Old Testament, He reveals Himself to the New Testament saints through the New Testament, end result both are born again by the same method coming to know Christ through the Scriptures.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
So who are the enemies of the gospel that are elect? And how can they be elect if they are enemies of the Gospel?
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Is it possible that enemies of the gospel that are elect are born again Jews that have been given the spirit of slumber until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in? Sure it’s possible and here is how.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression
Romans4:15 makes it clear that where there is no law there is no transgression. So the Jews who have been given the spirit of slumber are not in transgression for not observing what God has sovereignly blinded them to. So with that being the case how can they be born again? They are born again by coming to know Christ the same way Abraham and Moses were. They come to know Christ and are born again through the same Scriptures the Old Testament saints did, the Old Testament. Just like Abraham and Moses they don’t know Jesus’ name, they only know He is the Messiah and that He is coming.
So why would God do this? God made an everlasting covenant with the Jews and He must keep it or He would be a liar. We all know God is not a liar! For God to be true to His word that the covenant is everlasting God would have to keep a remnant under that covenant..
Does this mean that all Jews can ignore the New Testament? Of course not, remember it was blindness in part, not all of Israel. This can only apply to those that have been given a spirit of slumber until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. All others are allowed to see the First Advent of Christ and the Gospel so all others must come to know Christ and be born again as a result.
Let’s start with the basic premise that the words of Christ from the gospel of John are true and that regardless of whether one is New or Old Testament saint they must be born again if they are to enter the kingdom of God. If this were not the case then why would Christ have expected Nicodemus to understand the concept of being born again before the crucifixion and resurrection? The belief that Old Testament saints must know Christ just as you and I do is further confirmed by;
1Co 10:1- 4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Scripture makes it clear that from Adam until the Lord returns the only way one can enter the kingdom of God is to come to know Christ and be born again. As 1Co10:1-4 shows even Old Testament saints like Abraham and Moses drink from the same Rock you and I drink from and that Rock is Christ. Abraham and Moses did not know His name was Jesus they only knew Him as the Messiah. The only difference between an Old Testament saint and a New Testament is not how they are born again but by the method God used to reveal Himself to the two different groups. He revealed Himself to the Old Testament saint through the Old Testament, He reveals Himself to the New Testament saints through the New Testament, end result both are born again by the same method coming to know Christ through the Scriptures.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
So who are the enemies of the gospel that are elect? And how can they be elect if they are enemies of the Gospel?
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear
unto this day.Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Is it possible that enemies of the gospel that are elect are born again Jews that have been given the spirit of slumber until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in? Sure it’s possible and here is how.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression
Romans4:15 makes it clear that where there is no law there is no transgression. So the Jews who have been given the spirit of slumber are not in transgression for not observing what God has sovereignly blinded them to. So with that being the case how can they be born again? They are born again by coming to know Christ the same way Abraham and Moses were. They come to know Christ and are born again through the same Scriptures the Old Testament saints did, the Old Testament. Just like Abraham and Moses they don’t know Jesus’ name, they only know He is the Messiah and that He is coming.
So why would God do this? God made an everlasting covenant with the Jews and He must keep it or He would be a liar. We all know God is not a liar! For God to be true to His word that the covenant is everlasting God would have to keep a remnant under that covenant..
Does this mean that all Jews can ignore the New Testament? Of course not, remember it was blindness in part, not all of Israel. This can only apply to those that have been given a spirit of slumber until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. All others are allowed to see the First Advent of Christ and the Gospel so all others must come to know Christ and be born again as a result.