The antichrist

[peterT]

peterT we are supposed to base or beliefs on what the bible actually says, not just what we have been taught some verses supposedly mean. Can you show me one single verse that actually states antichrist is an endtime world leader? If not then why should I accept an unproven theory based on the writings of a 16th century Jesuit priest whose only goal was to counter the reformers?

Yes you should take that advice

Because this is what the Bible actually says

An antichrist shall come

The prince of this world cometh

The devil is cast out into the earth with great wrath for a short timeRv12.

The man of sin comes and say he is God and oppresses and shows himself to be God before that day.



you should take your own advice and believe on what the bible actually says when it cames to the 3 verses you quoted. But I now you don’t.

as you put it, not everyone is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


as you put it, NOT everyone is an antichrist that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

as you put it, not everyone is deceiver and an antichrist that confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

you should take your own advice and believe on what the bible actually says.


your words have no power because you don’t even believe it your self

 

[doulos]

Yes you should take that advice

Because this is what the Bible actually says

An antichrist shall come

The prince of this world cometh

The devil is cast out into the earth with great wrath for a short timeRv12.

The man of sin comes and say he is God and oppresses and shows himself to be God before that day.



you should take your own advice and believe on what the bible actually says when it cames to the 3 verses you quoted. But I now you don’t.

as you put it, not everyone is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


as you put it, NOT everyone is an antichrist that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

as you put it, not everyone is deceiver and an antichrist that confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

you should take your own advice and believe on what the bible actually says.


your words have no power because you don’t even believe it your self

peterT why are you making false accusations if I said the things you say I did post a linkk directly to the quote. And when you can't because I never said those things will you admit our error or will you just trying twisting what was said to justify the fallacy you promote?

And once again you have failed to provide a single verse that antichrist is an endtime world leader and resorted to using the interpretation of Scripture based on the doctrine you hold. I'll stick with what the bible actually says and not the futurists interpretation based on the writings of a 16th century Jesuit priest whos only reason for writing this false doctrine was to counter the reformation. Asd you are led friend, as you are led!

 

[Abiding]

Id remove all suffering and make everyone at ease.
Id tell everyone to go to church and dont worry, be happy.
And lots of group hugs and smiles.

 

[Anonimous]

Either become the Pope or get elected as president of the United States. <wry smile>

I would try to get believers to deny my existence and convince them everything that was written is simply symbolic so that when I come along in the flesh...as Jesus came in the flesh...they would deny my existence again and be fooled...again...

 

[doulos]

Or maybe invent the futurist doctrine that requires an antichrist and a rebuilt temple so when it doesn't play out like the futurist expect, when Christ returns they will proclaim this can't be Christ, the antichrist comes first so this must be the antichrist coming with lying signs and wonders.

 

[peterT]

peterT why are you making false accusations if I said the things you say I did post a linkk directly to the quote. And when you can't because I never said those things will you admit our error or will you just trying twisting what was said to justify the fallacy you promote?

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What are you denying that?

It’s not me making false accusations because that is exactly what you teach and preach, and you know it

You are trying to wiggle out of it

 

[doulos]

What are you denying that?

It’s not me making false accusations because that is exactly what you teach and preach, and you know it

You are trying to wiggle out of it

Prove it post the link to the quote. That's right you can't because that is not what I said. You interpret the words of others as poorly as you interpret.......

Thanks for proving my point and failing to provide the links that support your false accusations. Thanks for proving my point by once again failing to provide a single verse that says antichrist is an end time world leader. Keep it up PeterT your words betray you for all to see.

 

[peterT]

Prove it post the link to the quote. That's right you can't because that is not what I said. You interpret the words of others as poorly as you interpret.......

Thanks for proving my point and failing to provide the links that support your false accusations. Thanks for proving my point by once again failing to provide a single verse that says antichrist is an end time world leader. Keep it up PeterT your words betray you for all to see.

Interesting little ditty.

So you say the Jews are saved without Jesus and even tho they confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh they are saved.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

So if you belive what the Bible actually says The Jews are “liars” “deceivers” “antichrist” and are NOT of God.

So is my accusations false?.

you can't have it both ways bro

 

[doulos]

Interesting little ditty.

So you say the Jews are saved without Jesus and even tho they confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh they are saved.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

So if you belive what the Bible actually says The Jews are “liars” “deceivers” “antichrist” and are NOT of God.

So is my accusations false?.

you can't have it both ways bro

peterT once again you have refused to post the links to the quotes that support you false accusations and instead resort to using your interpretation of what was said. Like I said earlier you interpret the words of others about as well as you interpret.......

By the way still waiting for that verse that says antichrist is an endtime world leader.
As you are led friend, as you are led!

 

[peterT]

peterT once again you have refused to post the links to the quotes that support you false accusations and instead resort to using your interpretation of what was said. Like I said earlier you interpret the words of others about as well as you interpret.......

By the way still waiting for that verse that says antichrist is an endtime world leader.
As you are led friend, as you are led!

So do you want me to re-right these scriptures for you bro, to suet you manmade doctrine.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, (Except for the unbelieving Jews )

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh(Except for the unbelieving Jews ). This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ(Except for the unbelieving Jews )? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

There has been No false accusations made by me

But you are accusing me of making false accusations.

And if you are looking for a link THIS IS IT.



And as for an antichrist being a world leader

Rv13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[doulos]

So do you want me to re-right these scriptures for you bro, to suet you manmade doctrine.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, (Except for the unbelieving Jews )

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh(Except for the unbelieving Jews ). This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ(Except for the unbelieving Jews )? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

There has been No false accusations made by me

But you are accusing me of making false accusations.

And if you are looking for a link THIS IS IT.



And as for an antichrist being a world leader

Rv13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

No need to rewrite the Scriptures peterT but maybe you should take a little time to understand what people actually say rather then jumping to false conclusions and making false accusations. As for as that verse that says antichrist is a wordl leader I am still waiting ror it. The verse you are using does not even mention antichrist. Just because you have misinterpreted the verse does not mean it actually says antichrist is a world leader. Like I said you interpret the words of others about as well as you interpret ..... Thanks again you are doing a wonderful job!

 

[peterT]

No need to rewrite the Scriptures peterT but maybe you should take a little time to understand what people actually say rather then jumping to false conclusions and making false accusations. As for as that verse that says antichrist is a wordl leader I am still waiting ror it. The verse you are using does not even mention antichrist. Just because you have misinterpreted the verse does not mean it actually says antichrist is a world leader. Like I said you interpret the words of others about as well as you interpret ..... Thanks again you are doing a wonderful job!

O, I see you are avoiding the mane bit of the topic’ That’s what happens when you are getting thrashed “avoiding” “moving on” “or running “

You’re getting thrashed and you can’t defend it, because my comments about what you preach and teach are true.

 

[Anonimous]

peterT once again you have refused to post the links to the quotes that support you false accusations and instead resort to using your interpretation of what was said. Like I said earlier you interpret the words of others about as well as you interpret.......

By the way still waiting for that verse that says antichrist is an endtime world leader.
As you are led friend, as you are led!

When people begin to "fall away" they won't be looking for an idea or system to follow. Noone follows an idea. They will follow a person though. if we had no president, would we still follow the letter or spirit of democracy? No. Some one must be present to embody democracy, or communism. or whatever.

 

[doulos]

O, I see you are avoiding the mane bit of the topic’ That’s what happens when you are getting thrashed “avoiding” “moving on” “or running “

You’re getting thrashed and you can’t defend it, because my comments about what you preach and teach are true.

Yawn if they were you could provide a link to the quote. But once again just like you continue to fail to post a verse that says antichrist is a world leader you have failed to post the links. Yawn this is growing wearisome, do you have anything productive to add to the discussion ?

 

[PeteWaldo]

If you were Satan, and wanted to present yourself as the Christ, and destroy the belief in God...how would you do it?

I would do it exactly the way that Satan did it. I would dupe an illiterate reprobate SW Arabian desert dweller like Muhammad, into fooling people into believing they were worshiping the God of the bible - even as I required them to DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ - the whole subject of the Gospel - thus not realizing all the while they were actually worshiping and serving Satan! Then I would command them to believe it was their job to kill anyone that disagreed, or bend them into submission. Particularly subjugating the Jews and Christians to .
I just described 1/4 of the world's population and almost the totality of John's "whole world" in the middle east except for that protected by the Israeli Jewish state.
JIHAD

 

[peterT]

When people begin to "fall away" they won't be looking for an idea or system to follow. Noone follows an idea. They will follow a person though. if we had no president, would we still follow the letter or spirit of democracy? No. Some one must be present to embody democracy, or communism. or whatever.

Wow that was good.

All through history there has always been a man that wanted to rule the world.

There has always been a man an egomaniac wanting to be on top

There has always been a man that inspired others to help change things in the world and raise him to power.

They have to follow somebody, and if it’s not the lamb, it will be somebody else, that’s what man dose

 

[doulos]

When people begin to "fall away" they won't be looking for an idea or system to follow. Noone follows an idea. They will follow a person though. if we had no president, would we still follow the letter or spirit of democracy? No. Some one must be present to embody democracy, or communism. or whatever.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can see from the only 4 verses in scripture that use term antichrist or antichrists, antichrist is a spirit or a person that denies Christ and there are many. Many people point to 1John2:18 and say he said antichrist shall come. When in actuality he tells them “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”. But then they neglect the fact that even though they heard this he also told us exactly what to expect when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”

Some say antichrist is instead of Christ because that is what man’s definition says. But when dealing with Scripture should we rely on mans defintion when Scripture itself provides a definition? Look what happens when people do that they end up calling Catholics antichrists despite the fact that Catholics do not meet the Scriptural requirements.of antichrists. Isn’t it time we start basing our beliefs on the definitions Scripture actually provides instead of man’s? Maybe then we can start focusing our attention on the billions of antichrists that surround us in todays world. After all that would certainly be better then everyone looking over their shoulder for some boogeyman!

Now take a look at Rev13 it is a beast that has power in the end. As both Scripture says and fulilled prophecy proves beasts are kingdoms. Remember our battle is spiritual. Can you think of a spiritual kingdom that is advancing rapidly in todays world by the advancement of the sword? A spiritual kingdom that now occupys and controls the geographic location that were once Daniel's leopard bear and lion kingdoms? A spiritual kingdom that teaches the exact opposite of the Gospel? Have you considered the possibility that the spiritual kingdom of islam is the beast and while everyone is so busy looking over their shoulder for the boogeyman the beast is staring at our necks sword in hand?

 

[peterT]

Yawn if they were you could provide a link to the quote. But once again just like you continue to fail to post a verse that says antichrist is a world leader you have failed to post the links. Yawn this is growing wearisome, do you have anything productive to add to the discussion ?

No I nothing productive to add to the discussion, not with you anyway

Maybe on the next thread

 

[Anonimous]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can see from the only 4 verses in scripture that use term antichrist or antichrists, antichrist is a spirit or a person that denies Christ and there are many. Many people point to 1John2:18 and say he said antichrist shall come. When in actuality he tells them “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”. But then they neglect the fact that even though they heard this he also told us exactly what to expect when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”

Some say antichrist is instead of Christ because that is what man’s definition says. But when dealing with Scripture should we rely on mans defintion when Scripture itself provides a definition? Look what happens when people do that they end up calling Catholics antichrists despite the fact that Catholics do not meet the Scriptural requirements.of antichrists. Isn’t it time we start basing our beliefs on the definitions Scripture actually provides instead of man’s? Maybe then we can start focusing our attention on the billions of antichrists that surround us in todays world. After all that would certainly be better then everyone looking over their shoulder for some boogeyman!

Now take a look at Rev13 it is a beast that has power in the end. As both Scripture says and fulilled prophecy proves beasts are kingdoms. Remember our battle is spiritual. Can you think of a spiritual kingdom that is advancing rapidly in todays world by the advancement of the sword? A spiritual kingdom that now occupys and controls the geographic location that were once Daniel's leopard bear and lion kingdoms? A spiritual kingdom that teaches the exact opposite of the Gospel? Have you considered the possibility that the spiritual kingdom of islam is the beast and while everyone is so busy looking over their shoulder for the boogeyman the beast is staring at our necks sword in hand?

In would like to point out that even the Muslims are looking for their Mahdi who is supposed to come amidst disaterous times to lead them into being rulers of the world. They are looking and waiting for a literal person to lead them to this victory. If you believe Islam is as powerful as they say...and it is powerful, no arguement there...people will still want to stand with a SOMEONE. Not a THING.

When the time comes, we will not be able to stand strong and faithful because of an idea or thology. We will only be able to stand firm untyil the end because of a Person. That is Jesus. A literal Person. We will stand for Him. Not a set of beliefs. Why would we expect another set of beliefs to be the enemy without having Someone to represent those beliefs.

We know Satan has no original ideas of his own. If Jesis is going to return literally and physically, why would he (satan) allow himself to be shown up? He has been waiting thousands of years for his chance to destroy. His pride and ego will not allow him to sit back and watch man destoy ourself.

 

[PeteWaldo]

When people begin to "fall away" .....

"begin to fall away"??? Are you kidding?

Try this audio of a Joel Osteen - Paul David Washer comparison:
SermonAudio.com - Media Player

"Muslims in Europe are increasingly converting empty Christian churches into mosques.
The proliferation of mosques housed in former churches reflects the rise of Islam as the fastest growing religion in post-Christian Europe."

"As Islam replaces Christianity as the dominant religion in Europe, more and more churches are set to become mosques, which increasingly serve not only as religious institutions but also function as the foundational political building blocks for the establishment of separate, parallel Muslim communities in Europe that are based on Islamic Sharia law."
Falling Away or Apostasy

How about the "International Interfaith Council"? Look at the exercise in religious pluralism advanced on their website at International Interfaith Council. Their list of "Council Members" includes several Christians. When we click on the link to their webpage "Three Holy Books" we find listed the "Qur'an" "Torah" and "Bible", which is peculiar enough, since the Torah is included in the Christian Bible. When you click on "Bible" it is the 16th century Muslim forgery of the Gospel of Barnabas!
RELIGIOUS PLURALISM

Or how about the Pope and Vatican council:
"3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself, merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth (5), who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees....."

That's how they describe folks that must DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ, DENY the Son of God, and REJECT the blood of the Lamb of God, as articles of faith in the false prophet Muhammad.