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SeatBelt

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Nissan running gear holds up very well if properly maintained (the same could be said of most of your major Japanese automakers - Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Subaru...less so for Mitsubishi). I seem to notice, however, that Nissan interiors don't age well. The upholstery and switchgear in Hondas and Toyotas tends to hold up quite well. I've driven plenty of used Nissans that run great, but all the buttons and knobs and levers inside the cabin are falling apart. :/
Subaru is Korean. they are the premier Korean car maker, the others being Kia & Hyundai - both of which merged some time back which marked the beginning of both companies growing to be better and better in many respects.

Mazda is Ford. Plain & simple. Much of it merely badge engineered at that. Much of what's left is powered by US blocks, so you might as well just plan on having a blue oval in your driveway. Its Ford.

Yer right on about the Nissan running gear, thought I feel that Toyo & Honda can stand up to neglect better than Nissan. I'm not a fan of Mitsu, though depending on the product might take it over certain other things on the market. You're also right about the interior & switchgear. This seems to be an issue that they have been addressing more, so as not to look like a tawdry old Kia from before the merger.

Aimee- I know this goes against your grain, but I can actually see you in a 4-door Frontier or some of the other Nissan offerings. I can see you driving a 4 door Tacoma, but not a Tundra. You're just not a full size truck type.
 

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Subaru, a Japanese car company, is the automobile division of Fuji Heavy Industries Co., Ltd built in both Japan and America.
 
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SeatBelt

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Xterra's, Pathfinders, Forerunners all = truck based SUV. body on chassis design, rather than the crossover type like a CRV, Rav4, Rogue, or Juke. sacrifices MPG for durability, but not sure if that is a level of durability you need, Aimes. Do your homework make up your own mind.
 

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Subarus are toyota owned. Once again a Japanese car company. Being toyota majority of the cars are assembled in America. Lafayette Indiana to be exact.

Ford and Chrysler have come under fire from the Made in the USA Foundation over certain advertisements. The foundation has filed complaints with the Federal Trade Commission for misleading ads, claiming that both automakers have advertised vehicles as made in America that were actually imported from foreign countries.
 
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Subaru is definitely japanese not korean. Subaru is actually the japanese word for 'unite' and it was named because of its alliance with 4 other japanese car companies. Its one of the oldest japanese brands here in the states. They've been selling cars in the US since the sixties. The koreans didn't break into the US market until the late 80's with Hyundai (who used to only make commercial trucks). I know because I owned of the first korean cars on the market here (Hyundai excel) and my parents owned a subaru.
 
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Subarus are toyota owned.
No, Subaru is not owned by anyone else. They simply entered into a partnership with Toyota by agreeing to develop some models together. This can be seen in the new Subaru BR-Z and Toyota FR-S which are really the same car but with slightly different bodies.

Toyota invested some money into Fuji which is the japanese car maker alliance that Subaru belongs to, but they did not buy Subaru or anything like that.
 
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Not exactly. They simply entered into a partnership by agreeing to develop some models together. This can be seen in the new Subaru BR-Z and Toyota FR-S which are really the same car but with slightly different bodies.
You are thinking of Scion, scion and subaru combined using the scion chassis and the subaru boxer engine to creat a 4cylinder rwd preformance sports car. The cars are the Subaru BRZ and Scrion FR-s

When GM sold shares of Fuji Heavy, owner of the Subaru brand, Toyota bought. The resulting synergies could well prove the catalyst for Subaru's recovery

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You are thinking of Scion, scion and subaru combined using the scion chassis and the subaru boxer engine to creat a 4cylinder rwd preformance sports car. The cars are the Subaru BRZ and Scrion FR-s
Scion is a division of Toyota. Toyota came up with the Scion name because it wanted to start building a line of vehicles that appeal to younger customers.
 
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Fiat owns: Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Fiat, Lancia, Maserati; Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep–20-percent stake

So now all these are fiat's?
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Fiat owns: Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Fiat, Lancia, Maserati; Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep–20-percent stake

So now all these are fiat's?
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In this case yes, Fiat actually bought some (maybe all) of those companies by buying more than 50% of each company so they really do own them. That technically makes each car a Fiat.
 
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Ok, I just found out I was wrong about Fuji (parent company of subaru). I thought it was a car maker alliance because thats what I heard a long time ago and thats why I thought the logo had 5 stars in it. :p

Turns out its a big company that makes other things besides cars and Subaru is its car-making division, so Toyota did in fact buy 16% of Subaru, so we were both wrong and both right at the same time. Toyota did buy part of Subaru but they would have to buy more than 50% of it to own it.
 
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Subaru is Korean. they are the premier Korean car maker, the others being Kia & Hyundai - both of which merged some time back which marked the beginning of both companies growing to be better and better in many respects.

Uh, no. Subaru has always been a subsidiary of Fuji Heavy Industries, a Japanese company. Have there been outside majority shareholders? Yes, and I will get into this momentarily.


Mazda is Ford. Plain & simple. Much of it merely badge engineered at that. Much of what's left is powered by US blocks, so you might as well just plan on having a blue oval in your driveway. Its Ford.

FALSE. At one point, Ford was Mazda's majority shareholder, but this has not been the case since just prior to the American automotive meltdown. Ford shedding nearly all of it's foreign subsidiaries is SPECIFICALLY why Ford was able to survive without the government bailout. In fact, Mazda is now a subsidiary of Fiat, and will be sharing platforms with Alfa Romeo. Prior to that, Mazda was indeed a subsidiary of Ford.


While your statement is not completely untrue, the way you describe it is not wholly truthful. By your logic, every poor soul who drives a second generation Dodge Neon, can hold their head high and say, "I totally drive a Mercedes Benz. I know the badge says Dodge, but Chrysler was totally owned by Daimler-Benz when my car was designed and manufactured. That makes my car a Mercedes!"


That's ludicrous.


The same can be said of every Subaru built in the first half of the previous decade. GM held majority stock in FHI. Name a single Chevy, Pontiac, Buick, GMC, or Cadillac built during that same time frame that utilizes a boxer engine and full time all-wheel drive? Let me save you the trouble of researching: there isn't one. Did badge engineering occur? Absolutely - GM used it's controlling interest to seize the platform and driveline (and most of the exterior) of the Impreza...and gave it to a different subsidiary! Not a single person on the face of the earth looked at that car and said, "That Saab is totally a Pontiac." No, everyone looked at it and said, "That Saab is totally a Subaru." Why? Because badge engineering is more complicated than that.


Just because a parent company has the power to make its subsidiary share or co-develop platforms and drive trains doesn't mean EVERY platform and drive train is co-engineered or shared. Prime example: my Miata. Here is the extent of Ford's involvement in designing, engineering, and manufacturing the Miata.


Mazda: "Hey, Ford, we've got this crazy idea for a car that we think will work. Any problems if we go ahead with this?"
Ford: "Do it."


Everything on that car was built and developed at Mazda. Developed with Ford dollars? Sure. Designed and built by Mazda. "But I've seen that same engine in Ford Escorts from the '90s! They even had Ford badges in the Escorts!" you exclaim. Now this is where Big Daddy comes in. Mazda developed that engine years earlier for their 323s, which in the '90s, became the Protege. Ford needed a replacement for the Escort, and said, "Hey Mazda, that Protege was a pretty awesome piece. Since we own you, we're taking it and slapping our own body and interior on it. And we're calling it a Ford Escort/Mercury Tracer." Is that badge engineering? Absolutely. Did Ford engineer that car? No, it did not.


Are there some Mazdas that use Ford-developed platforms and/or drive trains? Yes. (Every truck or SUV built by Mazda prior to the CX series was a Ford platform.) If "ALL MAZDAS ARE FORDS" as a concrete, blanket statement were true, simply because "EVERY MAZDA BUILT SINCE 1972 IS JUST BADGE ENGINEERED!" because subsidiaries don't have any internal development and power on their own, then every single rotary powered vehicle Mazda ever made must be a figment of my imagination.


Platform sharing doesn't automatically equal badge engineering. The Charger is a solid, reliable car because it's built on a Mercedes-developed platform. But no one in their right mind says, "My Charger is exactly the same car as the Benz this is based on." EVERYONE has badge engineered products; people just need to do research into individual models before you just make blanket assumptions. Many partnerships involve using a subsidiary's platform and the parent company's drivetrain and vice versa. Some Nissans are Renaults, not all Nissans are Renaults.
 
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Whoa, calm down. There's no need to get testy about it. Plus, this thread has gotten far enough off topic as it is.
 
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Gentlemen, I greatly appreciate your time, insight, and offers to help me out. Being a single female who has no real knowledge of cars and no male in my life to turn to, this is a blessing.


Seatbelt, I'm not a truck kinda girl. I like trucks, but buying one isn't my first choice. However, I will buy what I can afford, so if that's a truck, I'll buy it.

Zero, thanks for reminding me about edmonds.com! I found out a good about of info about CR-V's last night, and I will use the site to continue to do research as time goes on.

Seatbelt and Zero, if ya don't mind, I may PM you with questions about cars. Is that okay?


Tomorrow I visit a lawyer to get the ball in motion. The other guy's insurance will not call me back and no other rep will help me. I'm gonna have to lawyer up, apparently. Please pray that this will go quickly.


Thank you!
 
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SeatBelt

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That's ludicrous.
As someone who once owned a Renaul Alliance (That's right peeps, the French + AMC) I think that I am qualified to say...

This conversation has in fact become ludicrous, especially in light of some of these industry splinters changing hands more often in the past decade than a pretty girl in a telenovela.
I misspoke on some things, yall on others. There's been some splitting of hairs that I'm proud to say I was AFK for.
Let's gloss over Diamond Star Motors, and the Caravans being powered with a transverse mount of the block that Mitsu breifly put in the Gen I Montero & Dodge Raider with a RWD/4WD setup. Let's ignore that it's a Mercedes power train in the Crossfire. Let's blitz right past the fact that the Ford Aspire was made under contract by Kia, and that the new Fiesta is.... Lets Let All This Nonsense Drop...
There is a Real Problem here that needs to be addressed.
We need to kindly and lovingly help a sister in Christ replace her primary means of transportation with a more logical process than "Oooh, I'll take the pretty blue one! What is it?" She's seeking wisdom from the crowd in general. Lets not disqualify ourselves with excessive infighting.

Duchess, how may we assist you.?
 

DuchessAimee

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Duchess, how may we assist you.?

At the moment, I have all my questions answered. However, if I have any more I'll let y'all know. If I'm not working Saturday, I was thinking of looking at some car lots. We'll see...
 
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violakat

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Take your blasphemy elsewhere! :p
My first truck was a Nissan 85 1/2. About when they supposedly started making really good trucks. I survived a major wreck with only a contussion on my arm, whiplash, horizontal vertical, and two stiches in my finger. Not bad for a truck that Donkeyfish07 doesn't like. (Just to add to it, I was on a highway, hit from behind by a RPS driver, and rolled into a nearby field about 3-4 times. Although the witnesses seemed to think it was more like 10. And I nearly forgot, I was almost pushed under a semi. Me thinks that truck held up pretty well, all things considering.)
 
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SeatBelt

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.... If I'm not working Saturday, I was thinking of looking at some car lots. We'll see...

You should load up a cute friend to distract the sales guy and take all manner of automobiles for test drives so that you can form some opinions about various vehicles. Besides, then you can shop unencumbered and later laugh over coffee about the fellas working at the dealership trying to give yall the "little lady" treatment.
 
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Gentlemen, I greatly appreciate your time, insight, and offers to help me out. Being a single female who has no real knowledge of cars and no male in my life to turn to, this is a blessing.


Seatbelt, I'm not a truck kinda girl. I like trucks, but buying one isn't my first choice. However, I will buy what I can afford, so if that's a truck, I'll buy it.

Zero, thanks for reminding me about edmonds.com! I found out a good about of info about CR-V's last night, and I will use the site to continue to do research as time goes on.

Seatbelt and Zero, if ya don't mind, I may PM you with questions about cars. Is that okay?


Tomorrow I visit a lawyer to get the ball in motion. The other guy's insurance will not call me back and no other rep will help me. I'm gonna have to lawyer up, apparently. Please pray that this will go quickly.


Thank you!
Fire away, Ms. Aimee!! :D