The Return of Jews to Israel

zone · Mar 27, 2013

since we have a confused young man who isn't sure what he believes wielding nazism; antisemitism; luther; and some nebulous irrational inherent flaw in all goyim which just has a need to persecute jews.....HE ASKS....WHERE DOES HATE COME FROM....let's find out, okay?

and since i am not directly responding to one who repeatedly attempts to discusses 'history' without knowing anything about it, let's look at some facts, and informed people with clear consciences can decide.

COUNTRIES WHICH AFTER HAVING HAPPILY PROVIDED HOME NATIONS FOR JEWS WHICH HAVE LATER EXPELLED THEM:

250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

why is this?
an irrational, inherent universal hatred for a single group of people by every other people group on earth?
just burbles up inside them, no explanation whatsoever - just an anomaly throughout history.
completely irrational.

nations do fine, everybody gets along....then something goes wrong. every time.

all the gentiles just lose it and look for a scapegoat? so they pick jews?

that's the brainwashed default position.

..................

alternatively, why not read writings of informed jews on the matter:

excerpts

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years
Israel Shahak

Murder and Genocide

ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew. A Jew who indirectly causes the death of another Jew is, however, only guilty of what talmudic law calls a sin against the 'laws of Heaven', to be punished by God rather than by man.

When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court.1 To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.2

Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, 'one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice .., there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly:3 He points out, however, that an act leading indirectly to a Gentile's death is forbidden if it may cause the spread of hostility towards Jews.4

A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished.5

All this has a direct and practical relevance to the realities of the State of Israel. Although the state's criminal laws make no distinction between Jew and Gentile, such distinction is certainly made by Orthodox rabbis, who in guiding their flock follow the Halakhah. Of special importance is the advice they give to religious soldiers.

Since even the minimal interdiction against murdering a Gentile outright applies only to 'Gentiles with whom we [the Jews] are not at war', various rabbinical commentators in the past drew the logical conclusion that in wartime all Gentiles belonging to a hostile population may, or even should be killed.6 Since 1973 this doctrine is being publicly propagated for the guidance of religious Israeli soldiers. The first such official exhortation was included in a booklet published by the Central Region Command of the Israeli Army, whose area includes the West Bank. In this booklet the Command's Chief Chaplain writes:

When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed... Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized ... In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.7

The same doctrine is expounded in the following exchange of letters between a young Israeli soldier and his rabbi, published in the yearbook of one of the country's most prestigious religious colleges, Midrashiyyat No'am, where many leaders and activists of the National Religious Party and Gush Emunim have been educated.8.....

The Deception Continues

Modern scholars of Judaism have not only continued the deception, but have actually improved upon the old rabbinical methods, both in impudence and in mendacity. I omit here the various histories of antisemitism, as unworthy of serious consideration, and shall give just three particular examples and one general example of the more modern 'scholarly' deceptions.

In 1962, a part of the Maimonidean Code referred to above, the so-called Book of Knowledge, which contains the most basic rules of Jewish faith and practice, was published in Jerusalem in a bilingual edition, with the English translation facing the Hebrew text.20 The latter has been restored to its original purity, and the command to exterminate Jewish infidels appears in it in full:

'It is a duty to exterminate them with one's own hands.' In the English translation this is somewhat softened to: 'It is a duty to take active measures to destroy them.' But then the Hebrew text goes on to specify the prime examples of 'infidels' who must be exterminated: 'Such as Jesus of Nazareth and his pupils, and Tzadoq and Baitos 21 and their pupils, may the name of the wicked rot'. Not one 'word of this appears in the English text on the facing page (78a). And, even more significant, in spite of the wide circulation of this book among scholars in the English-speaking countries, not one of them has, as far as I know, protested against this glaring deception.

The second example comes from the USA, again from an English translation of a book by Maimonides. Apart from his work on the codification of the Talmud, he was also a philosopher and his Guide to the Perplexed is justly considered to be the greatest work of Jewish religious philosophy and is widely read and used even today. Unfortunately, in addition to his attitude towards non-Jews generally and Christians in particular, Maimonides was also an anti-Black racist. Towards the end of the Guide, in a crucial chapter (book III, chapter 51) he discusses how various sections of humanity can attain the supreme religious value, the true worship of God. Among those who are incapable of even approaching this are:

"Some of the Turks [i.e., the Mongol race] and the nomads in the North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and those who resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the nature of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the level of human beings, and their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have the image and the resemblance of a man more than a monkey does."

"Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years" By Professor Israel Shahak - Radio Islam < click

cont.....

cfultz3 · Mar 27, 2013

zone said:

I am quite confident in what I believe...from "in the beginning" to "the end"...The one who is confused is the one who boldly implies that God is not a Keeper of promises..You need to check yourself Zone....you curse them while God blesses them....

Katy-follower · Mar 27, 2013

Cfultz - I liked your last signature on discernment and didn't get around to commenting on it. I was reading that one of the pitfalls of discernment is that a person can reach the point of believing they are correct in all that they say, a very dangerous thing, they question other teachings, but never their own. One must be careful to never forget who is the giver of this gift and that it should only be used when a person has love for others they are engaging with, so as to use it correctly, as God intends.

May we never forget that we are nothing without God. It is not about head knowledge and reputation, it's all about God and His truths. A child can have things revealed to them, but then the most studied theologian can get it completely wrong. I heard someone once speak of someone that would "run rings around you academically but still be very, very wrong".

Any words condemning others does not come from God. Satan is the father of lies, pride, division and discord. Though we are fighting a spiritual warfare, not against flesh and blood, I see Satan at work in many things.

I'm about to make dinner, so will contribute to the forums later and reply to some emails here.

Edit: was not directing this at you, by the way

wdeaton65 · Mar 27, 2013

All the things that john hagee and all like him need to read is in zones last post Oh lets not forget the protocols of the elders of zion which they say does not exist for something that never existed they sure are following them to a tee!!!!!!!!!

zone · Mar 27, 2013

cfultz3 said:

He kept His Promise - JESUS and redemption.
sorry you don't believe that.

told ya. i'm not a hater. i want a LEVEL field with NO LIES.
from either side.
as long as xtians keep lying and jews keep lying i'll keep telling the truth.

we have more jews who became christians here at CC you know.
did you know they NEVER say the things you gentile dispies say?
they never make the distinctions you make?
they rarely miunderstand eschatology the way xtian zionists do.
and they never elevate themselves about gentile christians.

do you know why you don't know they are here?
because they are ashamed of the things you gentiles say.

zone · Mar 27, 2013

cfultz3 said:

God blesses WHO?
the people from the LAND of God and Magog

gentiles who converted to Talmudism?
those who say they are jews and are not but are a Synagogue of Satan???

and God blesses America for blessing the Pharisees?
JOHN HAGEE TOLD YA THAT

He blesses them as gentiles who receive mercy if they come to Christ.

if you're not going to address the facts i'm posting, i won't be surprised.
you don't even know who is a jew or what makes one a jew.

you don't know who Israel is, and you do not understand the Scriptures.

you were clicking LIKE all over that guy who was claiming to be GOD!

run along chris.

find an easy thread.

zone · Mar 27, 2013

zone said:

cont....

"What concerns us, however, is not biblical but classical Judaism; and it is quite clear, though much less widely realized, that the latter, during its last few hundred years, was for the most part far from pure monotheism. The same can be said about the real doctrines dominant in present-day Orthodox Judaism, which is a direct continuation of classical Judaism. The decay of monotheism came about through the spread of Jewish mysticism (the cabbala) which developed in the 12th and 13th centuries, and by the late 16th century had won an almost complete victory in virtually all the centers of Judaism. The Jewish Enlightenment, which arose out of the crisis of classical Judaism, had to fight against this mysticism and its influence more than against anything else, but in latter-:lay Jewish Orthodoxy, especially among the rabbis, the influence of the cabbala has remained predominant.5 For example, the Gush Emunim movement is inspired to a great extent by cabbalistic ideas.

Knowledge and understanding of these ideas is therefore important for two reasons. First, without it one cannot under- stand the true beliefs of Judaism at the end of its classical period. Secondly, these ideas play an important contemporary political role, inasmuch as they form part of the explicit system of beliefs of many religious politicians, including most leaders of Gush Emunim, and have an indirect influence on many Zionist leaders of all parties, including the zionist left.

According to the cabbala, the universe is ruled not by one god but by several deities, of various characters and influences, emanated by a dim, distant First Cause. Omitting many details, one can summarize the system as follows. From the First Cause, first a male god called 'Wisdom' or 'Father' and then a female goddess called 'Knowledge' or 'Mother' were emanated or born. From the marriage of these two, a pair of younger gods were born: Son, also called by many other names such as 'Small Face' or 'The Holy Blessed One'; and Daughter, also called 'Lady' (or 'Matronit', a word derived from Latin), 'Shekhinah', 'Queen', and so on.

These two younger gods should be united, but their union is prevented by the machinations of Satan, who in this system is a very important and independent personage. The Creation was undertaken by the First Cause in order to allow them to unite, but because of the Fall they became more disunited than ever, and indeed Satan has managed to come very close to the divine Daughter and even to rape her (either seemingly or in fact - opinions differ on this). The creation of the Jewish people was undertaken in order to mend the break caused by Adam and Eve, and under Mount Sinai this was for a moment achieved: the male god Son, incarnated in Moses, was united with the goddess Shekhinah.

Unfortunately, the sin of the Golden Calf again caused disunity in the godhead; but the repentance of the Jewish people has mended matters to some extent. Similarly, each incident of biblical Jewish history is believed to be associated with the union or disunion of the divine pair. The Jewish conquest of Palestine from the Canaanites and the building of the first and second Temple are particularly propitious for their. union, while the destruction of the Temples and exile of the Jews from the Holy Land are merely external signs not only of the divine disunion but also of a real 'whoring after strange gods': Daughter falls closely into the power of Satan, while Son takes various female satanic personages to his bed, instead of his proper wife.

The duty of pious Jews is to restore through their prayers and religious acts the perfect divine unity, in the form of sexual union, between the male and female deities.6 Thus before most ritual acts, which every devout Jew has to perform many times each day, the following cabbalistic formula is recited: 'For the sake of the [sexual] congress7 of the Holy Blessed One and his Shekhinah... ' The Jewish morning prayers are also arranged so as to promote this sexual union, if only temporarily. Successive parts of the prayer mystically correspond to successive stages of the union: at one point the goddess approaches with her hand- maidens, at another the god puts his arm around her neck and fondles her breast, and finally the sexual act is supposed to take place.

Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced.8 This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious. The angels only understand Hebrew and are baffled by the Aramaic verses; being somewhat dull-witted (presumably they are far less clever than the cabbalists) they open the gates, and at this moment all the prayers, including those in Hebrew, get through. Or take another example: both before and after a meal, a pious Jew ritually washes his hands, uttering a special blessing. On one of these two occasions he is worshiping God, by promoting the divine union of Son and Daughter; but on the other he is worshiping Satan, who likes Jewish prayers and ritual acts so much that when he is offered a few of them it keeps him busy for a while and he forgets to pester the divine Daughter. Indeed, the cabbalists believe that some of the sacrifices burnt in the Temple were intended for Satan. For example, the seventy bullocks sacrificed during the seven days of the feast of Tabernacles9 were supposedly offered to Satan in his capacity as ruler of all the Gentiles,10 in order to keep him too busy to interfere on the eighth day, when sacrifice is made to God. Many other examples of the same kind can be given....

"Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years" By Professor Israel Shahak - Radio Islam < click

Israel Shahak (Hebrew: ישראל שחק‎; born Himmelstaub, April 28, 1933 – July 2, 2001) was a Polish-born Holocaust survivor and Israeli professor of chemistry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, known especially as a liberal[1] secular political thinker, author, and civil rights activist. Between 1970-1990, he was president of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights and was an outspoken critic of the Israeli government. Shahak's writings on Judaism have been a source of widespread controversy.

In 1965, Shahak wrote a letter to Ha'aretz which, according to Dan Rickman, writing in The Guardian in 2009, was the genesis for "[t]he currently major debate within and outside Israel about Orthodox Jewish attitudes to non-Jews".[10] In this letter Shahak wrote he had witnessed an Orthodox Jewish man refusing to allow his telephone to be used to call an ambulance for a non-Jew because it was the Jewish Sabbath.[13][14][15][10] He also wrote that members of the rabbinical court of Jerusalem confirmed that the man was correct in his understanding of Jewish law, and that they backed this assertion by quoting from a passage from a recent compilation of law. The issue was subsequently taken up in Israeli newspapers and The Jewish Chronicle, leading to significant publicity.[13][15][10] According to Israeli historian Tom Segev, Maariv asked for the opinion of the minister of religious affairs, Dr. Zerah Warhaftig, who did not refute the rabbinical ruling, but quoted from traditional Jewish sources according to which Jewish doctors had saved the lives of non-Jews on the Sabbath, although they were not required to do so."[13]

Israel Shahak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

have you abandoned Jesus Christ for a golden calf?

Drett · Mar 27, 2013

zone said:

since we have a confused young man who isn't sure what he believes wielding nazism; antisemitism; luther; and some nebulous irrational inherent flaw in all goyim which just has a need to persecute jews.....HE ASKS....WHERE DOES HATE COME FROM....let's find out, okay?

and since i am not directly responding to one who repeatedly attempts to discusses 'history' without knowing anything about it, let's look at some facts, and informed people with clear consciences can decide.

COUNTRIES WHICH AFTER HAVING HAPPILY PROVIDED HOME NATIONS FOR JEWS WHICH HAVE LATER EXPELLED THEM:

250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage

cont.....

You have done a lot of study on the subject. Nice to see someone providing evidence for the position they take.

zone · Mar 27, 2013

Drett said:

wellthx.
i haven't even scratched the surface.
which i might do.
i might not.

those who refuse to see will just look for more reasons not to.
usually involving demonizing me.

nothing new.
but i couldn't care less.

i know Whom i have believed.

i deplore false prophets and false apostles and false gospels.

i am not ashamed of the Gospel. for jew and gentile.
that includes you too drett.

don't reject Christianity because of all this other mess.
real christians love the truth, no matter where it leads.

Islam is false.
but Jesus saves

love zone.

Romans 1
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,e just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Drett · Mar 27, 2013

zone said:

wellthx.
i haven't even scratched the surface.
which i might do.
i might not.

those who refuse to see will just look for more reasons not to.
usually involving demonizing me.

nothing new.
but i couldn't care less.

i know Whom i have believed.

i deplore false prophets and false apostles and false gospels.

i am not ashamed of the Gospel. for jew and gentile.
that includes you too drett.

don't reject Christianity because of all this other mess.
real christians love the truth, no matter where it leads.

Islam is false.
but Jesus saves

love zone.

Romans 1
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,e just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Thanks for the frankness. I think Jesus was considered a trouble making. His message was inconvenient for some.

Drett · Mar 28, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

I realize that you only have the chance to pop in now and then, so let me get to the reason I asked this question. Muslims generally have the same answer:

Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia: ‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said, "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667)

So the reason Muhammad's followers kiss the black stone is because Muhammad kissed the black stone. The reason I raised this point is because that is the same list of reasons that Muhammad's followers must deny the crucifixion and death of the Lamb of God, and reject the blood that He shed, to save all from sin. Because Muhammad denied it in the 7th century.

The reason I believe in the shed blood of the Messiah - Yeshua (which means YHWH "saves" "delivers" or "rescues") is because that is the whole subject of the Gospel, as revealed through all of the prophets and witnesses in the New Testament.

Here's one of the reasons I believe them:

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Does that sound familiar? Well I copied and pasted that from Psalms 22, that was penned hundreds of years before the cross. Here's what else it says:

16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

PSALMS 22

If you want to believe that the King James Version is corrupted, which is the only fall-back that Muhammad's followers have suggested to me (indeed so corrupted that the whole subject of the Gospel became its complete opposite!), then here's that passage from a version of the Tanac by a rabidly anti-Christian group of Jews whose stated purpose is "counter-missionary education":

Psalms 22:2. My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?

17. For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion, my hands and feet. 18. I tell about all my bones. They look and gloat over me. 19. They share my garments among themselves and cast lots for my raiment.

What do lions do with their teeth and nails? That was penned before crucifixion was even invented. Muslims claim they respect Jesus as a prophet, so what did Jesus prophesy?

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

And after it was fulfilled?

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

He even referenced the Psalms passage. Now how many reasons can you come up with for rejecting these fulfilled prophecies other than the same solitary reason that Muslims kiss the black stone? That is because Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of this prophecy and its fulfillment - which are the whole subject of the Gospel.

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

All Muslim belief are in the public arena concerning Jesus. It is hard to follow your train thought sometimes but we believe what Surah 4:157 to be true if that is what you are asking.

Drett · Mar 28, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

In the other thread you asked for a single point. Here is the point. I follow the God of the scriptures YHWH, as He revealed Himself through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, in the 1600 year record of revelation to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants, for 3500 years.

I follow it because of fulfilled prophecy,

Muhammad's followers follow Muhammad alone, through his heavily abrogated, 23 year, 7th century record, that proclaims the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel. A record that includes a 4,500 year pre-Muhammad history of Islam - that was entirely penned in the 7th to 10th centuries AD, without reference to any historical record that preceded the 5th century - of a town in the SW Arabian desert, located 1200 kilometers from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, for which there is no historical or archaeological record that suggests that Mecca ever existed before about the 4th century AD.

The one true and great God of the scriptures gave us each the free will to choose.

Happy for you to believe what you believe. Hope it goes well.

PeteWaldo · Mar 28, 2013

Did you actually read the post that you quoted? Did you click on the links and review the prophesies?

Drett said:

That is the whole point. Do you believe you can worship the one great God of the scriptures - the God of the Jews and Christians (who share the Old Testament scriptures) - by proclaiming the EXACT OPPOSITE?
You believe Surah 4:157 and so you must reject the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and the blood He shed for all, because you follow Muhammad alone.

Islam is to the God of the bible as the negative is to a photograph. Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve as to what to DISbelieve, DENY and REJECT. Because you follow Muhammad alone, you must reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the Gospel, and the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE.
You must DISbelieve that Jesus is the Son of God, and God His father, in spite of the hundreds of verses in scripture that proclaim them.
You must reject the Old Testament prophecies of the crucifixion - penned hundreds of years before the cross, and before crucifixion was ever even invented - to follow Muhammad alone, because 5 centuries after the scriptures were closed Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite.
You proclaim Jesus a prophet, even as you must reject Him as a false prophet, because you reject His prophesies.
You follow Muhammad alone.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Drett, who is the OPPOSER of Yeshua - the opposer of the ONE great God of the scriptures - YHWH?
Who is the father of lies?
Who fills the hearts of men like this Egyptian Islamic Cleric - who is typical of many Clerics throughout the Middle East - throughout the cradle of the religion? Also U.S. Islamic clerics when they are comfortable back home with their real peeps. (youtube - jews stone tree - to hear them in their own words. Even worse youtube search - islam children indoctrination - for perhaps the most mass holocaust in child's minds, and child abuse, in human history)

[video=youtube;_X8dhrzQCHY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY[/video]

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

What does scripture say about those who deny the Son of God?

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

The only way you can follow Muhammad is to reject the one true God of the scriptures, since you belive the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel. Yet 500 years after the scriptures were closed, and after the Gospel had been translated into every popular language, copied tens of thousands of times, and had been read all over the whole known world for centuries, Muhammad proclaimed:

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

Even as the same false prophet proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel. The available evidence suggests that Muhammad received his Gnostic idea that it only appeared Christ was cricified, from Simon Magus by way of his disciples like Basillides, that was accepted and disseminated by the Ebionites - from his wife Kadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal, who was an occult Ebionite priest. Here is how the sorcerer and magician Simon Magus', disciple Basilides put it:

Chapter XXIV.—Doctrines of Saturninus and Basilides.
4. "He appeared, then, on earth as a man, to the nations of these powers, and wrought miracles. Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them." (link to source)

Doesn't that read just like a ton of Islamic commentators on the subject?

You are betting your eternal life on Muhammad alone my friend. I am desperate for you. You could die this very day, proclaiming the exact opposite of the way YHWH revealed Himself to mankind.

But you don't even follow Muhammad alone. Your books weren't developed until long after Muhammad was dead. Islamic tradition includes suggestion of a pre-Muhammad Islam. It even suggests that Adam built the kaaba, and that Abraham and Ishmael rebuilt the kaaba. Islam details a 4500 year pre-Muhammad history of Mecca. Things that happened around 6,000 years ago.

Now this is important. The entirety of Islamic so-called "tradition", that masquerades as 4500 years of pre-Muhammad Islamic history, was all put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD, without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 4th century. You would probably agree that history isn't something that a bunch of guys sit down 4500 years after the fact, and record. In other words, the entirety of what you believe about a pre-4th century Islam is a work of pure created fiction - is pure poppycock. This is made painfully clear when we discover that there is not a shred of historical or archaeological record, of Mecca ever having existed, prior to about the 4th century AD. Google it. Try - history of mecca - or - archaeological record mecca.

Google ancient towns of Saudi Arabia. There are plenty that are attested in the historical and archaeological records. They even attest to each other. Arabia has one of the best preserved archaeological records on earth because the low rainfall reduced the degredation of the archaeological evidence. You will not find Mecca listed among the ancient Arabian towns, because Mecca was never an ancient town!

Please try to actually think about it. Let's consider what springs from Islamic "tradition" on this matter from an Islamic website: "Abraham took Hagar and her son, Ishmael to a place near the Kabah; he left them under a tree at the site of Zamzam. No one lived in Makkah back then, yet Abraham made them sit there, leaving them with some dates, and a small water-skin. Thereafter he set out towards home."

Your tradition suggests that Abraham left Hebron (where Muslims visit his tomb near his home today), abandoning his wife Sarah, to wander with Sarah's handmaiden Hagar and her son Ishmael to Mecca. He dropped them off there and wandered back home. Now consider that this would have required their wandering across 1200 kilometers of uncharted, unexplored, untraveled, barren desert wasteland, most of a thousand years before history tells us the first overland route was established along the Red Sea in Arabia. Then Abraham is supposed to have dropped them off and wandered the 1200 kilometers back home.

In another post when Abiding asked you, why Islam, you suggested "Once I got over all the media hype. I just found the more I studied Islam the better it got."

But you couldn't have studied about Islam at all.
All you studied was the fictional creation of a bunch of 7th to 10th century SW Arabian desert dwellers, who pulled the entirety of the so-called tradition - that masquerades as 4600 years pre-4th century Islamic history - from thin air. All of which regards a city that never existed before pagan immigrants from Yemen settled the area and build their kaaba for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.

I realize this is unpleasant news, but eternity is a very long time, and I am desperate for you my friend. Rather than another knee-jerk reaction, the way you passed off the last post, why don't you spend some time with my prior post most importantly, and then search this post and investigate, and point out what you believe I misunderstood, or a single item that is untrue.

RachelBibleStudent · Mar 30, 2013

i don't believe that the modern state of israel is a fulfillment of prophecy...because it doesn't fit the prophecies...

i will not rule out that God -may- have been involved in the establishment of the modern state of israel...God -is- in control of the nations after all...but if anything it would have been permitted as an act of mercy only...

PeteWaldo · Apr 8, 2013

In another thread I pointed out that all that the anti-scriptural term "Palestinian" (that was coined by a satanically led 2nd century Roman ruler) accomplishes is to obscure the true identities of the residents of Israel.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61358-israel-palestine.html

Thus Israeli residents break down as follows:

The majority of those in the following Israeli groups are pro-Zionism:

Israeli Christians
Israeli non-Muslim and secular Arabs
Israeli Messianic Jews
Israeli Torah Jews
Israeli secular Jews

The majority of those in the following Israeli group are anti-Zionism:

Israeli Muslims

Now let's take a look at how non-Israeli groups composed of folks who weren't born in Israel, and/or don't have to or want to live in Israel, break down.

Among non-Israeli groups that proclaim themselves to be Christian, the majority of those in the following groups are pro-Zionism:

Tens of millions of denominational and non-denominational Evangelical Christians, including a near unanimity of futurists, like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye
The Christadelphian cult

Among non-Israeli groups that proclaim themselves to be Christian, the majority of those in the following groups are anti-Zionism:

Jeremiah Wright and his flock (even endorsing the Iran backed "March on Jerusalem")
Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult
David Duke and the KKK
Ted Pike (who seems to have suffered the consequences) and his followers
The "Christian Identity" movement
The liberal left wing of the church some of which also ordain women and homosexuals (these are a little difficult to nail down because they are as reluctant to admit to anti-Zionism, as some folks in this forum were, to answer to only request I made in the last paragraph in the OP of this thread)
Perhaps those groups that discussed divestment of Israeli assets could give us a clue:
Disinvestment from Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Presbyterian Church (USA)
World Council of Churches
United Church of Christ
United Methodist Church
With the ECUSA suggesting "“a negotiated two-state solution” and “positive investment” rather than divestment from Israel." (in other words likely financing Islamic terrorism, since that is the so-called "Palestinian's" largest (and perhaps nearly only?) industry in which one can invest).

Among non-Israeli groups, that are not Christian, the majority of whose members are pro-Zionism:

These groups might be hard to categorize. For example I have chatted with at least one English atheist that understands what is going on, from having investigated Islam after Muslims took over his neighborhood, who does not want his heirs to be subjugated to prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca and praying in the vain repetitions of the heathen five times a day.
We can perhaps suffice it to say that any group in favor of the continuation of freedom, liberty and right to self-determination and self-rule provided by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, to the benefit of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims (where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth), would fit here.

Among non-Israeli groups, that are not Christian, the majority of whose members are anti-Zionism:

A near unanimity of Muslim antichrists around the world
Nazis
Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam
Communist Soviets
George Soros and his Center for American Progress
The U.N.
White supremacists
Skinheads
Anti-semites of all stripes
Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee
Some small Jewish cults

PeteWaldo · Apr 8, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

Ezekiel's prophecy gives us the "why". For the sake of YHWH's holy name:

KJV Ezekiel 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These [are] the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. 21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

loveme1 · Apr 8, 2013

Jeremiah is insightful...

Jeremiah 33

33 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah the second time, while he was yet shut up in the court of the prison, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord the maker thereof, the Lord that formed it, to establish it; the Lord is his name;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning the houses of this city, and concerning the houses of the kings of Judah, which are thrown down by the mounts, and by the sword;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]They come to fight with the Chaldeans, but it is to fill them with the dead bodies of men, whom I have slain in mine anger and in my fury, and for all whose wickedness I have hid my face from this city.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Behold, I will bring it health and cure, and I will cure them, and will reveal unto them the abundance of peace and truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall be to me a name of joy, a praise and an honour before all the nations of the earth, which shall hear all the good that I do unto them: and they shall fear and tremble for all the goodness and for all the prosperity that I procure unto it.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; Again there shall be heard in this place, which ye say shall be desolate without man and without beast, even in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, that are desolate, without man, and without inhabitant, and without beast,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the Lord of hosts: for the Lord is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the Lord. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Again in this place, which is desolate without man and without beast, and in all the cities thereof, shall be an habitation of shepherds causing their flocks to lie down.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In the cities of the mountains, in the cities of the vale, and in the cities of the south, and in the land of Benjamin, and in the places about Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, shall the flocks pass again under the hands of him that telleth them, saith the Lord.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
[SUP]16[/SUP]In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Moreover the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah, saying,
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which theLord hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

zone · Apr 9, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

oh please someone get me a bucket.
i get that you're probably jewish, pretending to be a christian, working for the zionist cause.
that might be an insult to jewish zionists tho.

this post is evidence of it.
and it would be laughable if it wasn't so nauseating.

zone · Apr 9, 2013

PeteWaldo said:

unbelieving jews?

all of unbelieving mankind is opposed to God.
Jesus is God.

the wrath of God is upon all unbelievers - including your zionist buds.

please consider some fiber in your diet.

zone · Apr 9, 2013

cfultz3 said:

have another look
(i know it means nothing to you. you think Genesis 12 says God will curse anyone who doesn't bless the State of Israel...that's the level of your biblical literacy - practically nil).

good luck with that.

you're carrying water for the Synagogue of Satan and you don't mind at all.
it is opposed to and curses Jesus and Christians.

oh well....it's trendy to not know what the Bible says.

zone said:

since we have a confused young man who isn't sure what he believes wielding nazism; antisemitism; luther; and some nebulous irrational inherent flaw in all goyim which just has a need to persecute jews.....HE ASKS....WHERE DOES HATE COME FROM....let's find out, okay?

and since i am not directly responding to one who repeatedly attempts to discusses 'history' without knowing anything about it, let's look at some facts, and informed people with clear consciences can decide.

COUNTRIES WHICH AFTER HAVING HAPPILY PROVIDED HOME NATIONS FOR JEWS WHICH HAVE LATER EXPELLED THEM:

250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

why is this?
an irrational, inherent universal hatred for a single group of people by every other people group on earth?
just burbles up inside them, no explanation whatsoever - just an anomaly throughout history.
completely irrational.

nations do fine, everybody gets along....then something goes wrong. every time.

all the gentiles just lose it and look for a scapegoat? so they pick jews?

that's the brainwashed default position.

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alternatively, why not read writings of informed jews on the matter:

excerpts

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years
Israel Shahak

Murder and Genocide

ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew. A Jew who indirectly causes the death of another Jew is, however, only guilty of what talmudic law calls a sin against the 'laws of Heaven', to be punished by God rather than by man.

When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court.1 To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.2

Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, 'one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice .., there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly:3 He points out, however, that an act leading indirectly to a Gentile's death is forbidden if it may cause the spread of hostility towards Jews.4

A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished.5

All this has a direct and practical relevance to the realities of the State of Israel. Although the state's criminal laws make no distinction between Jew and Gentile, such distinction is certainly made by Orthodox rabbis, who in guiding their flock follow the Halakhah. Of special importance is the advice they give to religious soldiers.

Since even the minimal interdiction against murdering a Gentile outright applies only to 'Gentiles with whom we [the Jews] are not at war', various rabbinical commentators in the past drew the logical conclusion that in wartime all Gentiles belonging to a hostile population may, or even should be killed.6 Since 1973 this doctrine is being publicly propagated for the guidance of religious Israeli soldiers. The first such official exhortation was included in a booklet published by the Central Region Command of the Israeli Army, whose area includes the West Bank. In this booklet the Command's Chief Chaplain writes:

When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed... Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized ... In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.7

The same doctrine is expounded in the following exchange of letters between a young Israeli soldier and his rabbi, published in the yearbook of one of the country's most prestigious religious colleges, Midrashiyyat No'am, where many leaders and activists of the National Religious Party and Gush Emunim have been educated.8.....

The Deception Continues

Modern scholars of Judaism have not only continued the deception, but have actually improved upon the old rabbinical methods, both in impudence and in mendacity. I omit here the various histories of antisemitism, as unworthy of serious consideration, and shall give just three particular examples and one general example of the more modern 'scholarly' deceptions.

In 1962, a part of the Maimonidean Code referred to above, the so-called Book of Knowledge, which contains the most basic rules of Jewish faith and practice, was published in Jerusalem in a bilingual edition, with the English translation facing the Hebrew text.20 The latter has been restored to its original purity, and the command to exterminate Jewish infidels appears in it in full:

'It is a duty to exterminate them with one's own hands.' In the English translation this is somewhat softened to: 'It is a duty to take active measures to destroy them.' But then the Hebrew text goes on to specify the prime examples of 'infidels' who must be exterminated: 'Such as Jesus of Nazareth and his pupils, and Tzadoq and Baitos 21 and their pupils, may the name of the wicked rot'. Not one 'word of this appears in the English text on the facing page (78a). And, even more significant, in spite of the wide circulation of this book among scholars in the English-speaking countries, not one of them has, as far as I know, protested against this glaring deception.

The second example comes from the USA, again from an English translation of a book by Maimonides. Apart from his work on the codification of the Talmud, he was also a philosopher and his Guide to the Perplexed is justly considered to be the greatest work of Jewish religious philosophy and is widely read and used even today. Unfortunately, in addition to his attitude towards non-Jews generally and Christians in particular, Maimonides was also an anti-Black racist. Towards the end of the Guide, in a crucial chapter (book III, chapter 51) he discusses how various sections of humanity can attain the supreme religious value, the true worship of God. Among those who are incapable of even approaching this are:

"Some of the Turks [i.e., the Mongol race] and the nomads in the North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and those who resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the nature of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the level of human beings, and their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have the image and the resemblance of a man more than a monkey does."

"Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years" By Professor Israel Shahak - Radio Islam < click

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