judge not, and you shall not be judged. Those who aren't against us is for us. How God works with him might be totally different than God works with you. Is he totally without blemish or sin, doubtful. But then who of us is? Rather pray for him that the Lord might draw him closer and draw you in closer too.
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For there will be MANY false teachers, just as there is now, and they will decieve MANY, even if it was possible the very elect. NOt one false teacher had ANY success with me yet! Maybe I am just selested to be ELECT by God!
Thank You Father that Your Word will stand untill the END OF TIMES! I can ALWAYS weigh a person to Your Word! And I find MANY TELAH!!!! you were weighed and found too light.
May YOUR will be done in my life, AMEN!
Thank You Father that Your Word will stand untill the END OF TIMES! I can ALWAYS weigh a person to Your Word! And I find MANY TELAH!!!! you were weighed and found too light.
May YOUR will be done in my life, AMEN!
Careful... Arrogance is a dangerous game. Those of us who are young often fall for this trap. And bear the scars to prove it.
Carey, for your benefit.... I saw a six yearold girl frightened and shaken on the stage with BenHin, and I also had an experience with my two young daughters in a AGS church in South Africa, where the pastor layed hands on people and they will fall backwards and ushers will catch them.
Both my daughters aged 5 and 7 ran to me very scared and asked.... Why is that man killing the people? We left that church, because no child has EVER been frightened by God and His teachers... That falling over is EVIL, unbiblical and straight from Satan.... Teronto blessing I think was the first time that DEVIL shown his head.
I am still waiting for about 59 people to show me where it happened in the Bible.... Remember it should be IDENTICAL, or it is edited and obviously FALSE!
There is no such event in the Bible. BH loves throwing people around, I just hope God does not give me the oppertunity to be on his stage, I would have to hold back with all I got. But I doubt I will go on my own accord, even if he is at the neighbours house.... Too many EVIL practises and words.
Do I judge him? No I judge his teachings... IT IS FROM SATAN! God gave me a command to put the spirits to the test... BH spirit is NOT FROM GOD! 1 John 4:1... Put them spirits to the test, do not BELIEVE all spirits.
Wordgaurdian, I do notr condemn people, but I do judge their fruit... Good fruit fits into the Bible, BAD fruit does not! As easy as that!
Both my daughters aged 5 and 7 ran to me very scared and asked.... Why is that man killing the people? We left that church, because no child has EVER been frightened by God and His teachers... That falling over is EVIL, unbiblical and straight from Satan.... Teronto blessing I think was the first time that DEVIL shown his head.
I am still waiting for about 59 people to show me where it happened in the Bible.... Remember it should be IDENTICAL, or it is edited and obviously FALSE!
There is no such event in the Bible. BH loves throwing people around, I just hope God does not give me the oppertunity to be on his stage, I would have to hold back with all I got. But I doubt I will go on my own accord, even if he is at the neighbours house.... Too many EVIL practises and words.
Do I judge him? No I judge his teachings... IT IS FROM SATAN! God gave me a command to put the spirits to the test... BH spirit is NOT FROM GOD! 1 John 4:1... Put them spirits to the test, do not BELIEVE all spirits.
Wordgaurdian, I do notr condemn people, but I do judge their fruit... Good fruit fits into the Bible, BAD fruit does not! As easy as that!
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He teaches false teaching, and he supports a belief system directly founded in New Age teachings. He has blatantly twisted scripture, and he has had some very respected Christian leaders approach him on his heresy's, and he refuses to reject them.
This has nothing to do with 'judge not and you shall not be judged'. This has to do with 'judge a tree by its fruit'. The fruits that i see are sick people walking away sick, and he keeps getting richer off of his heresy. True, we are not all without sin, but he is an internationally known preacher claiming to be preaching the gospel, the standards for him are higher.
Its funny you want to quote 'judge not....' but you reject scriptures given to you as coming from arrogance. There is more than one type of judgement. There is judging people superficially, such as 'he's black, he must be a criminal' or 'she's fat, she must be lazy and not care about herself'. When in reality you know nothing about those people. That is what 'judge not...' refers to.
But the bible say to judge a tree by its FRUIT. Not by quick outer appearances, but by the evidence of their actions and words. The things about them that you can see for a fact.
We need to use wisdom and consider all that the bible says, not take one scripture out of context and throw it around as evidence of how right you are and how arrogant anyone who disagrees with you is. You had the wrong context of your scripture, and didn't hold it in light of other scriptures that exist on the subject, yet you say others are arrogant.
The bible also says in the last days people will follow 'doctrines of demons' and that many unbelievers will be deceived. Hinn has been teaching the same wrong doctrines for over 20 years, and has been corrected and still teaches bad doctrine, and still follows non-biblical, even unbiblical beliefs.
Not to mention he makes claims of healing hundreds of thousands of people, maybe a million or more, but at no point in his ministry has he ever proven even one case of healing, despite promoting himself as a healer. Even when asked for evidence by people willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, they walk away empty handed because Hinn has no evidence in 20 years. Even though he insists he does and says he's willing to prove it.
Is that really judging a person unfairly? Or is that judging the fruits of his actions?
Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
This part is the easiest to find. But there were also times when God spoke to His prophets and they couldn't move, were as dead, etc. The Bible is full of it. Since you know your Bible so well, I'm sure you know what I am talking about.
That being said. I do not agree that every time these people fall they fall under the Will or Authority of God. Most of the time it appears to be by the will of man.
Secondly... the fear of the Lord is the beginning of Knowledge... we all know those scriptures...
I wonder how your 5 and 7 year old children would have reacted if they saw a column of fire coming out of Heaven like with the Isrealites. Or the sea opening up like with Moses.
God is not a God of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. But that does not mean that His presence will sometimes bring fear into you. When Jesus walked on the water, the disciples were afraid of Him and thought He was a spirit. Only after He told them not to fear, did their fear subside. But His presence was fearful, even though it did not carry the intention of delivering fear. One day when our Messiah comes in His glory on the clouds, a lot of people are going to fear... even those that are of His own flock. I mean, you imagine like John spoke of Him with Fire in His eyes. That is a fearful sight. One time when I was privelidge to see the Light of Him, I was filled with Fear, until He told me not too fear. But before His words came to me not to fear it felt like every bone in my being was shaking and I couldn't even contemplate to move. Then His word came to me not to fear and all fear in me fled out of me and peace entered me.
As for Benny Hinn. Let God judge him according to what or who he is. It is not our place. If there is something that he preached that is false. Make the false statement known...even to him. So he too can be edified.
Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
This part is the easiest to find. But there were also times when God spoke to His prophets and they couldn't move, were as dead, etc. The Bible is full of it. Since you know your Bible so well, I'm sure you know what I am talking about.
That being said. I do not agree that every time these people fall they fall under the Will or Authority of God. Most of the time it appears to be by the will of man.
Secondly... the fear of the Lord is the beginning of Knowledge... we all know those scriptures...
I wonder how your 5 and 7 year old children would have reacted if they saw a column of fire coming out of Heaven like with the Isrealites. Or the sea opening up like with Moses.
God is not a God of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. But that does not mean that His presence will sometimes bring fear into you. When Jesus walked on the water, the disciples were afraid of Him and thought He was a spirit. Only after He told them not to fear, did their fear subside. But His presence was fearful, even though it did not carry the intention of delivering fear. One day when our Messiah comes in His glory on the clouds, a lot of people are going to fear... even those that are of His own flock. I mean, you imagine like John spoke of Him with Fire in His eyes. That is a fearful sight. One time when I was privelidge to see the Light of Him, I was filled with Fear, until He told me not too fear. But before His words came to me not to fear it felt like every bone in my being was shaking and I couldn't even contemplate to move. Then His word came to me not to fear and all fear in me fled out of me and peace entered me.
As for Benny Hinn. Let God judge him according to what or who he is. It is not our place. If there is something that he preached that is false. Make the false statement known...even to him. So he too can be edified.
Very well... I can accept it if I am wrong about certain things. Tell me a few of his statements which are wrong?
This guy is a vastly wealthy conman who is as real as WWE wrestling. It's entertainment. But on the back of a pretense of doing this in the name of God. So it's wicked.
I will not judge him but I will state loudly that this man is fake and preys on the weak. I will say he is wicked and greedy. And God will judge him and all those associates of his for what he does.
I would pull up an earlier post though
How do you think Amalekite children felt about God and those told to do his will?
1Samuel 15:3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
I will not judge him but I will state loudly that this man is fake and preys on the weak. I will say he is wicked and greedy. And God will judge him and all those associates of his for what he does.
I would pull up an earlier post though
I'm afraid this is untrue.
How do you think Amalekite children felt about God and those told to do his will?
1Samuel 15:3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
Yep that is the part where I LOVE when SATAN fell to the ground when God admitted HE IS GOD! But it was not holy people that fell backwards, it was EVIL people who STEPPED back and fell on their FACES, for they CANNOT stand in glory.
Remember how the devils shouted in fear when Jesus arrived on the island they roamed in one man/ two men. Same here in the scripture you qouted.... EVIL CANNOT STAND IN GLORY, but holy have communion with God. I will also not stand in his presense, but I SHALL BOW before him, not fall on my back or face like EVIL. But I SHALL bend the knee and BOW DOWN IN HONOR TO HIM ONLY!
Look the only place a person fell BACKWARDS, was a king that heard both his son's died in the war, and he fell backwards from his chair, broke his neck and died! And when the people could not remain standin in the cloud when God camoe over the Tabernackle, NOBODY KEPT STANDING... There were no USHERS to catch the people, That is another proof they BOWED DOWN IN HONOR, not fall back in EVIL WAYS!
There that covers the WHOLE bible! Oh one more person fell in the precence of God... A young man listening to Paul preach right through the night. This man was sitting on a window sill, and fell asleep, fell out the window and got killed, Paul went out, made him alive again, and they went back inside, continuing in God's Word and teachings... That is HOLY AND BIBLICAL... this falling backwards is disrespectful to God and EVIL!
Remember how the devils shouted in fear when Jesus arrived on the island they roamed in one man/ two men. Same here in the scripture you qouted.... EVIL CANNOT STAND IN GLORY, but holy have communion with God. I will also not stand in his presense, but I SHALL BOW before him, not fall on my back or face like EVIL. But I SHALL bend the knee and BOW DOWN IN HONOR TO HIM ONLY!
Look the only place a person fell BACKWARDS, was a king that heard both his son's died in the war, and he fell backwards from his chair, broke his neck and died! And when the people could not remain standin in the cloud when God camoe over the Tabernackle, NOBODY KEPT STANDING... There were no USHERS to catch the people, That is another proof they BOWED DOWN IN HONOR, not fall back in EVIL WAYS!
There that covers the WHOLE bible! Oh one more person fell in the precence of God... A young man listening to Paul preach right through the night. This man was sitting on a window sill, and fell asleep, fell out the window and got killed, Paul went out, made him alive again, and they went back inside, continuing in God's Word and teachings... That is HOLY AND BIBLICAL... this falling backwards is disrespectful to God and EVIL!
We must discern/judge the doctrine and especially the gospel he teaches here and now. Like Ugly said he has been confronted, rebuked and exhorted many times over the years for the things he teaches which he ought not. Not to forget his false prophecies.
Bookreader dead children CANNOT be frightened. And tell me this who is the MURDERER from the beginning, please do not lay murder on the doorstep of Jesus. Tell me what did Jesus say about fightings and war and not getting prayers answered.
Jesus said... if you want to keep a child from coming to Him, it would be better to hang a millstone around your neck and jump into the sea... Rather go drown yourself than to frighten a child to come to Jesus!
I hope you know that ALL the deeds of Israel was not on God;s command, but out of their fleshly lusts! If you want to talk old testement wars we can have a VERY interesting discussion about it. One is how a king saved his city from the murdering Israelites by offering his son.... MMM Who also offered His Son?
Show me a verse where children was afraid of Jesus. PLEASE show me one, there is none. If the Israelites killed people including children they were not afraid of God, but men killing children... If you think that is what Jesus is about, good, think it and believe it and preach it. Jesus said... YOU HAVE THE DEVIL AS YOUR FATHER FROM THE BEGINNING, and HE IS THE MURDERER from the BEGINNING.
Jesus said... if you want to keep a child from coming to Him, it would be better to hang a millstone around your neck and jump into the sea... Rather go drown yourself than to frighten a child to come to Jesus!
I hope you know that ALL the deeds of Israel was not on God;s command, but out of their fleshly lusts! If you want to talk old testement wars we can have a VERY interesting discussion about it. One is how a king saved his city from the murdering Israelites by offering his son.... MMM Who also offered His Son?
Show me a verse where children was afraid of Jesus. PLEASE show me one, there is none. If the Israelites killed people including children they were not afraid of God, but men killing children... If you think that is what Jesus is about, good, think it and believe it and preach it. Jesus said... YOU HAVE THE DEVIL AS YOUR FATHER FROM THE BEGINNING, and HE IS THE MURDERER from the BEGINNING.
I do not deny that God can make you fall or even make you become immobile by His presence. But I have often wondered the following and this is how I always make a destinction. The Bible says that the Word of God never comes back to Him void. I can't remember where exactly, but I am sure you know what I am talking about.
This would imply that when a person were to fall in the presence of God, that there is a reason behind it. Even if it is merely to understand the authority of God. So if a person, say per example were to have no arms and he fell, and by the time he reaches the ground he has arms. There would be sort of more sense to it. What I can't understand is the reasoning behind most of these people's falling. Up to today I still couldn't figure it out.
But then I have also learned that in my Christian walk not everything makes sense to my understanding. For that is why it is written one should not lean upon your own understanding. But one should do what one does in obedience to God. And it is my belief, that no matter how we perceive it. Benny Hinn firmly believes he is following God in obedience.
There were a couple of times when God asked me to heal people in a strange way, but afterward the person was healed and remained healed. It didn't make sense, it still doesn't. The person didn't fall. But she had to walk in a certain way. It was almost redicoulous except for the fact that it was an instruction. But by the obedience the person was healed. Usually when God ask me to heal someone....so far... I must use a specific method that He shows me before hand. (which is given by Jesus who says he does nothing if not shown by the Father) When I do this method then the person gets healed immediately. If God tells me no, the person is not going to get healed, then He also don't provide me with a method. And I therefore don't pray for the person... and therefore I am not creating false hope.
For this reason... I am wondering as to the method of Benny Hinn. I do not really follow his campaign. I know of him. But as for falling down... based on that alone, I cannot say that a person is a false teacher. So my question would be this. What did he say which is false.?
Again.... please tell me what he teaches that is wrong. I really don't follow every person in the world's ministery, nor do I listen to everybody, for I focus more on learning from God than from people.
Please tell me what he preached that what is wrong. I really really have no idea what he preaches. Accept for the obvious thing which everybody on TBN does, which is to sell the gospel. What make him different from the others and why do you say what he preaches is false?
I saw a video of Benny Hinn back in the mid 1980's and he certainly had an anointing at that time, I then heard him a year or so ago and there was absolutely NO anointing whatsoever, he was simply an empty vessel, prancing around the stage in a ridiculous white suit! 1Thess 5v21
O...k.... I go into 90% of South African churches and there is also NO anointing from the preacher. That doesn't make what they preach false, nor does it make what they say unbiblical. Sometimes God works with you sometimes God use someone else. It is God's call not ours. You can go into a church and the person sitting next to you can have more annoiting on him than the preacher in the front.
You can do that job yourself. If you "have no idea what he preaches" then it is on you to find that out first and then speak on the matter - not reverse. The truth about false teachings is out there for all to seek. You have a personal responsibility to seek what is truth and to find out what is sound doctrine and what is heresy. Assumed you have good discernment rooted in yourself having sound beliefs and teaching. I'd suggest you google: benny hinn heresy. Again: the truth is out there for all to seek.
Oh and btw: I do not endorse TBN at all.
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On judging, I thought we were supposed to judge each other, not in condemnation, but a godly judging, to keep each of us in check, at least that's what I was told by a church leader, not sure if it's biblical or not, so please correct me if I'm wrong