Wives submit to your husbands
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Jesus did not die so that people can carry on sinning. Jesus has a lot to say about obedience. Again, this is a classic example of cherry picking. Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." You can stare at this verse until the cows come home. It won't change anything. If you love Jesus, keep his commandments. There is no excuse.
The reason we are in this mess is because of disobedience. All throughout the Bible God demands obedience, but as usual, Christians continue to make excuses. And what's worse is that they use the blood of God's precious Son to water down sin. They don't feel the need to keep God's commandments because they think the blood of Christ gives them the right to pick and choose.
And what do you mean about keeping God's commandments perfectly? Either you keep them or you don't.
The reason we are in this mess is because of disobedience. All throughout the Bible God demands obedience, but as usual, Christians continue to make excuses. And what's worse is that they use the blood of God's precious Son to water down sin. They don't feel the need to keep God's commandments because they think the blood of Christ gives them the right to pick and choose.
And what do you mean about keeping God's commandments perfectly? Either you keep them or you don't.
And I'm not sure how many more times I need to repeat it...
That you keep speaking as if people can obey all of God's commands without flaw, including yourself.
Yes, God said to obey His commands. And He also says in His Word that if anyone believes he can keep the commandments of God, he is deceiving himself.
Your solution is that we should all obey God's commands.
And God Himself is the one who tells us we are unable to--not as an excuse to sin, but rather, to recognize that saying, "Just obey what God says" is a highly incomplete answer to the problem, because it isn't possible.
That you keep speaking as if people can obey all of God's commands without flaw, including yourself.
Yes, God said to obey His commands. And He also says in His Word that if anyone believes he can keep the commandments of God, he is deceiving himself.
Your solution is that we should all obey God's commands.
And God Himself is the one who tells us we are unable to--not as an excuse to sin, but rather, to recognize that saying, "Just obey what God says" is a highly incomplete answer to the problem, because it isn't possible.
J
Yes, divorce is a terrible thing.....I don't think anyone here would argue with that, but we only have control over what WE do in a marriage. There are people in these forums who tried very hard to cling to God and fight for their homes and families, but the other person in the marriage was not interested in doing things God's way. They are victims whose hearts are broken and healing. Let's be mindful of this and remember the Spirit we are of. The pain that some of the men/women of this forum are suffering is nothing to laugh at.
While we are posting scripture, let's not forget this one:
I Cor 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
While we are posting scripture, let's not forget this one:
I Cor 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
That is not true at all: "Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:3-4).
When God says we should keep His commandments, He isn't saying we are all doomed if we fall short. God is saying that we should honor His commandments by doing our best to obey them. And this is something that millions of Christians don't do.
When God says we should keep His commandments, He isn't saying we are all doomed if we fall short. God is saying that we should honor His commandments by doing our best to obey them. And this is something that millions of Christians don't do.
So first you are saying that we either keep God's commandments or we don't, with nothing in between.
And now you're saying that we should "do our best" to obey them.
I guess I'm not understanding what the point is that you're trying to make and am just asking you to clarify. Are you just trying to say, "Oh, well, it's too bad the world is messed up because so many people don't follow God's commands..." because we all know that. And we all know that if people obeyed God's commands, the world would be a completely different place. But that is neither the reality nor possibility of this world.
I'm sorry if I'm overstepping my boundaries, but it just seems like you're saying, "Oh, people aren't living up to what it means to be a Christian," but yet you are somehow succeeding where everyone else is failing? I'm sorry that Christians disappoint you with their behavior--we all feel that way at times, and will continue to do so.
I apologize if I've misread your posts, but it seems as if you're talking about "what everyone else is doing wrong and should be doing" under the assumption that you yourself are obeying all of God's commands without flaw while everyone else is falling short?
1 John 1:8 -- "If anyone says he is without sin, he deceives himself, and the truth is not in him."
Let me make myself clearer because you don't seem to understand what I'm saying. I am saying that too many Christians refuse to honor certain commandments that they don't want to obey. Instead of making an effort to keep God's commandments, they say, "I don't have to resist this temptation because the blood of Jesus will cover me."
Ok, thank you for clarifying. I do understand what you're saying. Rest assured though, some of us are genuinely trying. 
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS POST JULLIANNA. It means a lot to me, and I'm sure many others here, that someone would actually take the time to listen and have compassion on those of us who have been through such things.
(Thanks also to Zaoman for always being such a loyal friend, as well as many others who have posted here and show love to those of us who have fallen short, but still keep trying.
)Stephen, we will ALL be blessed to hopefully find a true Christian spouse someday. Hopefully, discussions like this are helpful in preparing us for whatever lies ahead, whether we marry or not.
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I am in agreement with you.
We are sent to HEAL the brokenhearted; not to throw salt in the wound.
I would like to add an additional amount of encouragement based on the scripture that you wrote.
For those that DID struggle to remain with their spouse despite the hardships. For those that were left despite your efforts.
Note that the scripture that Jullianna posted says, "But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so."
You did no wrong when you chased after them and they STILL left anyways. You did not fail in clinging to them; as it should be. If you endured and they left, they did so because of unbelief. Do not be bitter or malice about this, but be forgiving in that they do not know what it is they have done.
You are not bound in a case where they leave you because of unbelief. Be at peace and just let it be so. Draw near to the Lord and He shall draw near to you. Let Him comfort you through this ordeal and restore you.
<hands Jullianna some bug spray>
We are sent to HEAL the brokenhearted; not to throw salt in the wound.
I would like to add an additional amount of encouragement based on the scripture that you wrote.
For those that DID struggle to remain with their spouse despite the hardships. For those that were left despite your efforts.
Note that the scripture that Jullianna posted says, "But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so."
You did no wrong when you chased after them and they STILL left anyways. You did not fail in clinging to them; as it should be. If you endured and they left, they did so because of unbelief. Do not be bitter or malice about this, but be forgiving in that they do not know what it is they have done.
You are not bound in a case where they leave you because of unbelief. Be at peace and just let it be so. Draw near to the Lord and He shall draw near to you. Let Him comfort you through this ordeal and restore you.
<hands Jullianna some bug spray>