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PeteWaldo

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The pope encourages them? well why on earth would they do that? do they not claim to be Christians?
Because the Pope and Vatican council are as apparently stark raving blind to Islam through their punitive supersessionism as half of the folks in this forum have indoctrinated themselves to be through theirs.
Replacement Theology or Supersessionism

Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions

The Second Vatican Council

Promulgated by His Holiness Pope Paul VI

October 28, 1965

Paul, Bishop, Servant of the Servants of God, together with the Fathers of the Sacred Council. For
Everlasting Memory.


"3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself, merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth (5), who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees....


That's how the Pope and Vatican council describe 1.5 billion people that are required to DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood as articles of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone, that prostrate themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of an Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.
Falling Away or Apostasy

The Pope even kissing the blasphemy filled Quran, that blasphemes the Son of God and denies His crucifixion and whole purpose.

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So then who does the pope worship if he can allow himself to kiss the koran?
 

loveme1

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Tribesman, where is that picture from?
 

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The catholic church is part of an agenda that hopes to unite all faiths into one and rid the world of people that will not unite.

There are very unpleasant times ahead of us and many twists and turns.

We know ego often equates to back stabbing.
 
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Tribesman, where is that picture from?
Rev. Ian Paisley denounces Pope John Paul II as an antichrist. Happened when the Pope spoke in the EU Parliament 1988, Paisley being MEP at that time.

[video=youtube;JHKnNHABSaA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHKnNHABSaA[/video]
 
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PeteWaldo

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Many Popes spoke quite eloquently, for many in this forum, through punitive supersessionism.

Pope Clement VIII: “The Bible itself says that the Jews are an accursed people.”

Pope Innocent III: “The Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord.” (To the Archbishops of Sens and Paris)

Pope Saint Pius V: “In order to make an end of all doubt concerning the colour of the cap and the sign of the women, we declare that the colour must be yellow.” (Romanus Pontifex)

Pope Benedict XIV: “It is fitting for Jews to serve Christians, but not for Christians to serve Jews. On the contrary, the Jews, as slaves rejected by that Saviour Whose death they wickedly contrived, should recognize themselves in fact and in creed the slaves of those whom the death of Christ has set free, even as it has rendered them bondmen.” (Quoting Pope Innocent III, “Etsi Judaeos”)

Pope Innocent III: “When Jews are admitted out of pity into familiar intercourse with Christians, they repay their hosts, according to the popular proverb, after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or of the burning brand in one’s lap.”

Pope Gregory IX: “Ungrateful for favours and forgetful of benefits, the Jews return insult for kindness and impious contempt for goodness.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Stephen III: “With great sorrow and mortal anxiety, We have heard that the Jews have in a Christian land the same rights as Christians, that Christian men and women live under the same roof with these traitors and defile their souls day and night with blasphemies.” (Epistle to the Bishop of Norbonne)

Pope Innocent IV: “The wicked perfidy of the Jews - from whose hearts Our Saviour did not remove the veil because of their enormous crimes but caused them justly to continue in their blindness, commit acts of shame which engender astonishment in those who hear, and terror in those who discover it.” (The Wicked Perfidy of the Jews)

Pope Gregory IX: “We order all our brother bishops absolutely to suppress the blasphemy of Jews in your dioceses, churches, and communities, so that they do not dare raise their necks, bent under eternal slavery, to revile the Redeemer.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers.” (Hebraeorum Gens)

Pope Benedict XIV: “Furthermore, by means of their particular practice of commerce, they amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.” (A Quo Primum)

Pope Clement VIII: “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. […] Their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

Pope Innocent III: “The Lord made Cain a wanderer and a fugitive over the earth, but set a mark upon him, making his head to shake, lest anyone finding him should slay him. Thus the Jews, against whom the blood of Christ calls out, although they ought not to be wiped out, nevertheless, as wanderers they must remain upon the earth until their faces are filled with shame and they seek the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Epistle to the Count of Nevers)

Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jews. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jews; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jews; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incumbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”

Pope Eugene IV: “We decree and order that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink with the Jews, nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them, nor bathe with them. […] They cannot live among Christians, but in a certain street, separated and segregated from Christians, and outside which they cannot under any pretext have houses.”

Pope Alexander III: “Our ways of life and those of the Jews are utterly different, and Jews will easily pervert the souls of simple folk to their superstition and unbelief if such folk are living in continual and intimate intercourse with them.” (Ad Haec)

Pope Martin V: “However, we received a short time ago through credible reports knowledge to our great alarm, that various Jews of both sexes in Cafas and other cities, lands and places overseas, which fall under the jurisdiction of Christians, are of obstinate mind and, in order to conceal swindling and wickedness, wear no special sign on their clothing, so that they are not recognisable as Jews. They are not ashamed to give themselves out as Christians before many Christians of both sexes of these cities, districts and places mentioned, who could not in fact identify them, and consequently commit shameful things and crimes.” (Sedes Apostolica)

Pope Eugene IV: “We decree and order that from now on, and for all time […] All and every single Jew, of whatever sex and age, must everywhere wear the distinctive dress and known marks by which they can be evidently distinguished from Christians.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “With full understanding and in exercising of the apostolic powers, we withdraw from the Jews and their rule (and recognize no right or claim) all properties, which the Jews have in their possession in this city Rome or other places of our domain of rule.” (*** Nos Super)

Pope Paul IV: “It is too absurd and pointless that the Jews, whom their own guilt condemns to slavery, under the pretence that Christian piety suffers and tolerates their coexistence, pay back [with wickedness] the mercy received from Christians.” (*** Nimis Absurdum)

Pope Leo VII: “Let the Gospel be preached unto them and, if they remain obstinate, let them be expelled.”

Pope Adrian I at the Second Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Since certain, erring in the superstitions of the Hebrews, have thought to mock at Christ our God, and feigning to be converted to the religion of Christ do deny him, and in private and secretly keep the Sabbath and observe other Jewish customs, we decree that such persons be not received to communion, nor to prayers, nor into the Church; but let them be openly Hebrew according to their religion, and let them not bring their children to baptism, nor purchase or possess a slave.”

Pope Innocent IV: “We who long with all our hearts for the salvation of souls, grant you full authority by these present letters to banish the Jews, either in your own person or through the agency of others, especially since, as we have been informed, they do not abide by the regulations drawn up for them by this Holy See.” (To the King of France)

Pope Saint Martin I: “If anyone shall teach a slave, under pretext of piety, to despise his master and to run away from his service, and not to serve his own master with good-will and all honour, let him be anathema.”

Pope Benedict XIV: “It is fitting for Jews to serve Christians, but not for Christians to serve Jews. On the contrary, the Jews, as slaves rejected by that Saviour Whose death they wickedly contrived, should recognize themselves in fact and in creed the slaves of those whom the death of Christ has set free, even as it has rendered them bondmen.” (Quoting Pope Innocent III, “Etsi Judaeos”)

Pope Gregory IX: “They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future become insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Alexander III at the Third Lateran Ecumenical Council: “We declare that the evidence of Christians is to be accepted against Jews in every case, since Jews employ their own witnesses against Christians - and that those who prefer Jews to Christians in this matter are to lie under anathema, since Jews ought to be slaves to Christians.” (Canon 26)
The Popes Against The Jews

Pope Innocent III: “The Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord.” (To the Archbishops of Sens and Paris)

Pope Innocent IV: “And that you [King Saint Louis IX] order both the aforesaid abusive books [The Talmud] condemned by the same doctors and generally all the books with their glosses which were examined and condemned by them to be burned by fire wherever they can be found throughout your entire kingdom, strictly forbidding that Jews henceforth have Christian nurses or servants, that the sons of a free woman may not serve the sons of a bondwoman, but as slaves condemned by the Lord, whose death they wickedly plotted, they at least outwardly recognize themselves as slaves of those whom the death of Christ made free and themselves slaves. So we may commend the zeal of your sincerity in the Lord with due praises.” (The Wicked Perfidy of the Jews)

Pope Saint Martin I: “If anyone shall teach a slave, under pretext of piety, to despise his master and to run away from his service, and not to serve his own master with good-will and all honour, let him be anathema.”

Pope Gregory IX: “They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future become insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Alexander III at the Third Lateran Ecumenical Council: “We declare that the evidence of Christians is to be accepted against Jews in every case, since Jews employ their own witnesses against Christians - and that those who prefer Jews to Christians in this matter are to lie under anathema, since Jews ought to be slaves to Christians.” (Canon 26)
 

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Rev. Ian Paisley denounces Pope John Paul II as an antichrist. Happened when the Pope spoke in the EU Parliament 1988, Paisley being MEP at that time.

[video=youtube;JHKnNHABSaA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHKnNHABSaA[/video]
Wow.. never seen that before.

The sly smile...
 
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PeteWaldo

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Many Popes spoke quite eloquently, for many in this forum, through their "punitive", or "hard", supersessionism.

Pope Clement VIII: “The Bible itself says that the Jews are an accursed people.”

Pope Innocent III: “The Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord.” (To the Archbishops of Sens and Paris)

Pope Saint Pius V: “In order to make an end of all doubt concerning the colour of the cap and the sign of the women, we declare that the colour must be yellow.” (Romanus Pontifex)

Pope Benedict XIV: “It is fitting for Jews to serve Christians, but not for Christians to serve Jews. On the contrary, the Jews, as slaves rejected by that Saviour Whose death they wickedly contrived, should recognize themselves in fact and in creed the slaves of those whom the death of Christ has set free, even as it has rendered them bondmen.” (Quoting Pope Innocent III, “Etsi Judaeos”)

Pope Innocent III: “When Jews are admitted out of pity into familiar intercourse with Christians, they repay their hosts, according to the popular proverb, after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or of the burning brand in one’s lap.”

Pope Gregory IX: “Ungrateful for favours and forgetful of benefits, the Jews return insult for kindness and impious contempt for goodness.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Stephen III: “With great sorrow and mortal anxiety, We have heard that the Jews have in a Christian land the same rights as Christians, that Christian men and women live under the same roof with these traitors and defile their souls day and night with blasphemies.” (Epistle to the Bishop of Norbonne)

Pope Innocent IV: “The wicked perfidy of the Jews - from whose hearts Our Saviour did not remove the veil because of their enormous crimes but caused them justly to continue in their blindness, commit acts of shame which engender astonishment in those who hear, and terror in those who discover it.” (The Wicked Perfidy of the Jews)

Pope Gregory IX: “We order all our brother bishops absolutely to suppress the blasphemy of Jews in your dioceses, churches, and communities, so that they do not dare raise their necks, bent under eternal slavery, to revile the Redeemer.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers.” (Hebraeorum Gens)

Pope Benedict XIV: “Furthermore, by means of their particular practice of commerce, they amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.” (A Quo Primum)

Pope Clement VIII: “All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. […] Their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live.”

Pope Innocent III: “The Lord made Cain a wanderer and a fugitive over the earth, but set a mark upon him, making his head to shake, lest anyone finding him should slay him. Thus the Jews, against whom the blood of Christ calls out, although they ought not to be wiped out, nevertheless, as wanderers they must remain upon the earth until their faces are filled with shame and they seek the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Epistle to the Count of Nevers)

Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jews. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jews; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jews; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incumbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”

Pope Eugene IV: “We decree and order that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink with the Jews, nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them, nor bathe with them. […] They cannot live among Christians, but in a certain street, separated and segregated from Christians, and outside which they cannot under any pretext have houses.”

Pope Alexander III: “Our ways of life and those of the Jews are utterly different, and Jews will easily pervert the souls of simple folk to their superstition and unbelief if such folk are living in continual and intimate intercourse with them.” (Ad Haec)

Pope Martin V: “However, we received a short time ago through credible reports knowledge to our great alarm, that various Jews of both sexes in Cafas and other cities, lands and places overseas, which fall under the jurisdiction of Christians, are of obstinate mind and, in order to conceal swindling and wickedness, wear no special sign on their clothing, so that they are not recognisable as Jews. They are not ashamed to give themselves out as Christians before many Christians of both sexes of these cities, districts and places mentioned, who could not in fact identify them, and consequently commit shameful things and crimes.” (Sedes Apostolica)

Pope Eugene IV: “We decree and order that from now on, and for all time […] All and every single Jew, of whatever sex and age, must everywhere wear the distinctive dress and known marks by which they can be evidently distinguished from Christians.”

Pope Saint Pius V: “With full understanding and in exercising of the apostolic powers, we withdraw from the Jews and their rule (and recognize no right or claim) all properties, which the Jews have in their possession in this city Rome or other places of our domain of rule.” (*** Nos Super)

Pope Paul IV: “It is too absurd and pointless that the Jews, whom their own guilt condemns to slavery, under the pretence that Christian piety suffers and tolerates their coexistence, pay back [with wickedness] the mercy received from Christians.” (*** Nimis Absurdum)

Pope Leo VII: “Let the Gospel be preached unto them and, if they remain obstinate, let them be expelled.”

Pope Adrian I at the Second Ecumenical Council of Nicea: “Since certain, erring in the superstitions of the Hebrews, have thought to mock at Christ our God, and feigning to be converted to the religion of Christ do deny him, and in private and secretly keep the Sabbath and observe other Jewish customs, we decree that such persons be not received to communion, nor to prayers, nor into the Church; but let them be openly Hebrew according to their religion, and let them not bring their children to baptism, nor purchase or possess a slave.”

Pope Innocent IV: “We who long with all our hearts for the salvation of souls, grant you full authority by these present letters to banish the Jews, either in your own person or through the agency of others, especially since, as we have been informed, they do not abide by the regulations drawn up for them by this Holy See.” (To the King of France)

Pope Saint Martin I: “If anyone shall teach a slave, under pretext of piety, to despise his master and to run away from his service, and not to serve his own master with good-will and all honour, let him be anathema.”

Pope Benedict XIV: “It is fitting for Jews to serve Christians, but not for Christians to serve Jews. On the contrary, the Jews, as slaves rejected by that Saviour Whose death they wickedly contrived, should recognize themselves in fact and in creed the slaves of those whom the death of Christ has set free, even as it has rendered them bondmen.” (Quoting Pope Innocent III, “Etsi Judaeos”)

Pope Gregory IX: “They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future become insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Alexander III at the Third Lateran Ecumenical Council: “We declare that the evidence of Christians is to be accepted against Jews in every case, since Jews employ their own witnesses against Christians - and that those who prefer Jews to Christians in this matter are to lie under anathema, since Jews ought to be slaves to Christians.” (Canon 26)

Pope Innocent III: “The Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord.” (To the Archbishops of Sens and Paris)

Pope Innocent IV: “And that you [King Saint Louis IX] order both the aforesaid abusive books [The Talmud] condemned by the same doctors and generally all the books with their glosses which were examined and condemned by them to be burned by fire wherever they can be found throughout your entire kingdom, strictly forbidding that Jews henceforth have Christian nurses or servants, that the sons of a free woman may not serve the sons of a bondwoman, but as slaves condemned by the Lord, whose death they wickedly plotted, they at least outwardly recognize themselves as slaves of those whom the death of Christ made free and themselves slaves. So we may commend the zeal of your sincerity in the Lord with due praises.” (The Wicked Perfidy of the Jews)

Pope Saint Martin I: “If anyone shall teach a slave, under pretext of piety, to despise his master and to run away from his service, and not to serve his own master with good-will and all honour, let him be anathema.”

Pope Gregory IX: “They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future become insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.” (Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany)

Pope Alexander III at the Third Lateran Ecumenical Council: “We declare that the evidence of Christians is to be accepted against Jews in every case, since Jews employ their own witnesses against Christians - and that those who prefer Jews to Christians in this matter are to lie under anathema, since Jews ought to be slaves to Christians.” (Canon 26)
 

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We don't care what the popes have to say... who are they to influence us?

It is what the Almighty God says that counts.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes you are qualified to explain your belief and you have and ive listened
My point was that your not qualified to argue with what others say...you just
wrap them up and call them conspiracy theories. At least thats what ive seen.
If you wanted to prove things, that would be different. Then we could prove them.

Or you make a glib remark and say its not about salvation, and shouldnt matter.
And i say if it doesnt matter then maybe you should go to another thread.
Since it might matter to others. Because ive waited months to post in threads
and dialogue with like minded folks but it always gets into i fight and i quit.
so let me get this straight. This is not a bible discussion forum. It is a forum where we discuss how jews are evil, and all the things they have done? Is there not another chat room other than the bible discussion forum, which would more facilitate that topic?

Maybe your right, a blog would be better. People can post it. and people who are actually wanting to discuss it can go there. And we can stick to discussing the word of God.

As for proving things wrong.. You can almost prove ANYTHING on the internet. I could spend hours finding stuff to appose things which have been posted. But what good would that do? it would be two views. non of which can be PROVEN, and all we would have would be more arguments which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD OF GOD..

and what makes them qualified? they researched stuff?? they are better than us? the facvt is, unless you were there, had the top secret clearance. and are witnesses to things which happened. Your not qualified.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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sorry
its not a mystery.
you just dont know what he meant.

lol.. Ok Paul said it is a mystery, You said it is not a mystery. I think I will chose to trust paul. not you


anyways...we have something happening here today.
let`s keep it going if possible.

this isnt about Romans 9 AGAIN.

its about the Talmudic version of the Kingdom.
Dispensationalism slipped in to make it happen....for (not) Israel.
No, it is not about that., Dispensationalism did not slip in to make it happen. it would have happened no matter what. You think what is happening today is different than happened in the time of babylon, rome in Christs time, and through other gentile dominions in the area of Israel? Nothing is new, it is all the same

a bunch of jewish religion leaders (pharisees or whatever you want to call them) who are trying to take control and make things happen.. Nothing new. been going on for 4000 years now. If people would actually loo,k, they would see it..

Did they stop Christ? No (although they tried)

Did they stop the spread of the church? No (although they tried)

Did they keep people from worshiping the God of Isreal? No, Although they tried (read 1 and second kings and many other OT passages which show this)

are they going to stop the church? People coming to Christ? No, Although they will try..

I can go on and on and on!

so why are people so afraid, and so suprised these things are happening? it is JUST HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF!
 
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We don't care what the popes have to say... who are they to influence us?

It is what the Almighty God says that counts.
Indeed.

KJV Ezekiel 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. 20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These [are] the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. 21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went. 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them]. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

And event so stunning that "even the heathen" shall know He is Lord.

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: butas touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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can you please not make this about you and your beliefs no one understands.
this is a good thread.

So your ready to admit you continue to say I believe things I do not?

its not about you EG
No its not, Its about the millions who believe like I do.. which you reguse to see, refuse to understand and continue to bear false witness against.

and get over the your sister - false accusations stuff....get on with it.

Again, you ready to admit it? or are you going to continue to bear false witness?

I would not have had to even bring it up if spomeone else did not spread the same lies against my belief..

Face it, if someone did this to you, you would declare war on them. I have seen it. you would not stand still, but you expect me to??
 
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We don't care what the popes have to say... who are they to influence us?
They are the ones responsible for punitive supersessionism, as delivered to the modern church, through Jesuit Luis Alcazar's 17th century counter-reformation preterist doctrine.

I'll remain blessed to cast my lot in with the Reformation, rather than the counter-reformation.

Matthew Henry wrote: "If God will build Jerusalem for the people and their comfort, they must inhabit it for him and his glory. The promises and privileges with which God's people are blessed, should engage us to join them, whatever it costs us."

In 1641, the British Puritan leader, Oliver Cromwell stated, "And it may be, as some think, God will bring the Jews home to their station, 'from all the isles of the sea,' and answer their expectations 'as from the depths of the sea.'

In 1635, Thomas Brightman wrote a commentary on Daniel 11-12 which he sub-titled, 'The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours.'

Similarly Isaac Newton: “Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations."

It is what the Almighty God says that counts.
 
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here is the passage that makes me think that AD 70 was an act of titus that God allowed instead of a direct act of God...

revelation 12:16..."But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth."

i believe this verse symbolizes the destruction of jerusalem...i think it is natural to assume that 'the earth' represents -earthly- players and not the hand of God...

all of OT prophesy did this.

God allowed babylon to do what it did to Jerusalem. He removed his protective hand, Babylon took more than just Isreal. as did the kingdoms which followed.. It was what they wanted to do.. God used this to his own advantage.. by allowing these things to happen.
 

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They are the ones responsible for punitive supersessionism, as delivered to the modern church, through Jesuit Luis Alcazar's 17th century counter-reformation preterist doctrine.

I'll remain blessed to cast my lot in with the Reformation, rather than the counter-reformation.

Matthew Henry wrote: "If God will build Jerusalem for the people and their comfort, they must inhabit it for him and his glory. The promises and privileges with which God's people are blessed, should engage us to join them, whatever it costs us."

In 1641, the British Puritan leader, Oliver Cromwell stated, "And it may be, as some think, God will bring the Jews home to their station, 'from all the isles of the sea,' and answer their expectations 'as from the depths of the sea.'

In 1635, Thomas Brightman wrote a commentary on Daniel 11-12 which he sub-titled, 'The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours.'

Similarly Isaac Newton: “Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations."
My beliefs are on the Bible alone and no theology. i listen to the Holy Spirit.

please stop offering mans opinion as though it could count for anything above what is written.
 
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well actually it seems that the jews you were talking about don't actually bother much with the torah...these groups barely even study it in detail after elementary school in fact...

what is going on is that they believe what the talmud says about them not getting the land back until the messiah comes...they are as far off from the kingdom of God as the zionists you oppose...

ashkenazi jews have a slight majority in israel...and about 80% of the jews worldwide are ashkenazim... and every study i have seen so far indicates that only about 12% of ashkenazi jews have any distinctively khazar contribution in their genes... in genetics that is considered 'high' in that it indicates a lot more intermarriage than you would typically expect between two unrelated populations...but not nearly enough to indicate that the khazars are actually the origin of the ashkenazi jews...

you should probably research the origin of the khazar theory...it was formulated based on the same kind of thoroughly debunked body measurement based racial 'science' that argued that africans were closer to apes than europeans...and it was adopted and popularized by the 'british israel' cult...
Most jews in Isreal do not even believe it is prophesied that things will happen. They do not even consider daniel part of their scripture. of course not,, things did not happen as Daniel said it would.. so they took it out..

what they are doing is making the same mistake they made when they returned from babylon. Making new laws and new man made things in order to try to get God to restore them as per lev 26.. Not realizing the things they are doing are taking them further from God. just like it did the jews in the final centuries of the BC area, and the first century.. and cause them to be removed from their land again.

it is called blindness to truth.

Thats why I say, why are we suprised these things are happening? it happened before..
 

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We are here in the present and we live by Faith.

Whatever came to pass and comes to pass is leading to the harvest.

what Isaac newton had to say on the matter is not my concern.
 

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Did he eat the apple that hit him on the head? i know not.