Israel or Palestine?

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Abiding

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This is where ya get clipped for spiritualizing.
Of coarse why would anyone read the bible spiritually?
That would make you think the bible was hidden to the wise,
or full of mysteries or sumptin.



I picked this up after i heard stars are gona fall
out of the sky. I love the color. It does have other options.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ive heard Dan 9 referred to as the Holy of Holies of Gods redemptive plan.
So certainly it not salvic:p duh! drool! ok!
well you may have heard it. But the problem is Gentiles are not in Context. So how could it be salvic?

it is about Israel repenting of her sin and making an end of her sins against God. which to this date has yet to happen.. Of course thanks to Zone we see proof of this every day in here
:p
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is where ya get clipped for spiritualizing.
Of coarse why would anyone read the bible spiritually?
That would make you think the bible was hidden to the wise,
or full of mysteries or sumptin.



I picked this up after i heard stars are gona fall
out of the sky. I love the color. It does have other options.

hmm. lets put ourselves in johns shoes. What would it look like if missiles were falling from the sky and causing massive destruction?? Oh wait, I know.. Stars.. how ironic
 

zone

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So the truth comes out. You are unwilling to admit anything.
lol...oh like anything i said was ever hidden

As I told Abiding and bookends.. Our views only differ because you see daniel 9 as salvic I do not. Since this is the case. we can not agree on things of prophey concerning Israel. You see them all (salvic) fulfilled in Christ on the cross. I see them all (non salvic) only to be fulfilled when Israel repents and turns from their sin and recieves Christ.
ya ya i know.
thats some other christ and some other gospel.
if He didnt accomplish Daniel 9 in full for Israel - it aint salvic for you either.

nothing new here.

thats why we dont agree on Israel.
you dont know who Israel is or when their salvation was accomplished.
i dunno....what does that tell ya.

do you think this guy is going to magically repent...like when exactly.
what happens to bring about this great revial thing.
two literal mysterious OT prophet figures who are over in Israel preaching the go....nah.
is it when they see Jesus coming they look upon Him whom they pierced and....no...this guy wasnt there when he was pierced. plus thats already fulfilled - the Bible said. it happened THEN.

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so....like these guys supposedly inherited Land because they are beloved for the patriarchs sake.

even though theyll die in their sins for rejecting Jesus.
and they do because they dont believe the patriarchs.

did they take the Land at the Hand of God or by the arm of flesh.
whose flesh.

and theyre not ancient israelites anyways so i dunno why you dont get around to telling me exactly who i need to bless in order to not be cursed.

what makes Israel repent of their sin so all Jesus Work can take effect.
because until they do something grand, His work doesnt kick in.

because you say they are still in sin ERGO - Daniel 9 was a flop.
ya thats non-salvic or whatever.

since you see Dan 9 as salvic
why wouldnt i EG...thats when salvation was prophesied and salvation came to pass just that way.

YOU MUST proclaim (falsely I might add) that I am Dual covenant (jews saved under mosaic covenant gentiles saved under new covenant) or some assemblance of it which is false. Since I do not believe it is salvic. It does not matter what answer I give,, We will not agree. and you will condemn me, which you have.
oh stop....condemn you:rolleyes:....purleeze.

i have repeatedly said youre a neo-dispie...you just swapped the Mosaic Covenant for the Land Deal since you at least know the Law doesnt save.

but you say the Land Deal is both an eternal Promise (impossible since this earth is ending) and at the same time a non-salvic loose end.....k....makes sense (not)

i say your Land Deal nonsalvic promise loose end is causing death and hell.
making it anti-salvic

finally I might add.. Do I believe jews are blinded until all gentiles are saved?
yep....seen ya say a million times.
times of gentiles fullness of gentiles blahblah.

If you would ever read what I post. you would have seen I FOUGHT THIS LIE TOOTH AND NAIL.. with a few people in the last two weeks
ya i noticed.
it always goes like this.

in other threads which you were very active in, and you would not have asked such a question, because you would have known it is not true.
pffftt.....mkay
 
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Abiding

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well you may have heard it. But the problem is Gentiles are not in Context. So how could it be salvic?

it is about Israel repenting of her sin and making an end of her sins against God. which to this date has yet to happen.. Of course thanks to Zone we see proof of this every day in here
:p

I considered posting a reply, but you shoved zone into it.
Im fairly sure this stuff is not about you or zone. So ill
pass on this one.:cool:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ya ya i know.
thats some other christ and some other gospel.
if He didnt accomplish Daniel 9 in full for Israel - it aint salvic for you either.

nothing new here.

Thanks you just proved your false witness.. Which means we are done.. If you can't admit you bear false witness, we can go no further.
I am not getting into with you again.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I considered posting a reply, but you shoved zone into it.
Im fairly sure this stuff is not about you or zone. So ill
pass on this one.:cool:
lol. its ok.. why go into it. we have been discussing it for years now.. nothing is new.

And I did not shove zone into it, she brought me back into it when I made a comment to someone else and she responded to me

And as you can see, she is still bearing false witness against me
:p
 
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Abiding

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lol. its ok.. why go into it. we have been discussing it for years now.. nothing is new.

And I did not shove zone into it, she brought me back into it when I made a comment to someone else and she responded to me

And as you can see, she is still bearing false witness against me
:p
No i meant you shoved her into a post to me. Id rather not be in you twos battle.
Id rather battle you both one on one:cool:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No i meant you shoved her into a post to me. Id rather not be in you twos battle.
Id rather battle you both one on one:cool:
lol.. nope no battle. I finished with her last post. which showed she still believes I believe in another gospel.

Let me ask you. do you think I believe as she does..

here I will post it.


Originally Posted by zone


ya ya i know.
thats some other christ and some other gospel.
Do you think I believe in some other gospel?? or do you know I believe in one gospel through the ages?
 
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Abiding

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hmm. lets put ourselves in johns shoes. What would it look like if missiles were falling from the sky and causing massive destruction?? Oh wait, I know.. Stars.. how ironic
Ok but the other option would be to consider John was raised on scripture
and that God didnt change up and wrote revelation in prophetic genre as
the rest of the prophets. So that the people in Johns day would understand?
 

zone

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well you may have heard it. But the problem is Gentiles are not in Context. So how could it be salvic?

it is about Israel repenting of her sin and making an end of her sins against God.
EG...is this really that hard?
is it really?

try this - "it is about JESUS making an end of her sins against God".

don't you believe in the Atonement?

what was He doing on the Cross?

was it a failure because jews don't repent?

ugh.
 

zone

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Thanks you just proved your false witness.. Which means we are done.. If you can't admit you bear false witness, we can go no further.
I am not getting into with you again.
why would i admit any nonsense like that - you're teaching a distorted gospel, and some weird incomplete work by Christ.

deal with it....isn't it about time?
 
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Abiding

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lol.. nope no battle. I finished with her last post. which showed she still believes I believe in another gospel.

Let me ask you. do you think I believe as she does..

here I will post it.




Do you think I believe in some other gospel?? or do you know I believe in one gospel through the ages?

You want my opinion? ha I think you know the gospel. But i think
you misunderstand some important parts. Making something heavenly earthly
which opens the door wide for worldwide deception. Thats my opinion.:cool:
Your not alone tho.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You want my opinion? ha I think you know the gospel. But i think
you misunderstand some important parts. Making something heavenly earthly
which opens the door wide for worldwide deception. Thats my opinion.:cool:
Your not alone tho.
lol.. Whats wrong? do you believe I believe the gospel is only thorugh Christ (from adam to the last person who will ever be saved on earth) or do you not?

zone does not seem to think so, do you?

as for I misunderstand some thing.. thats beside the point. We can disagree with this and understand it will not affect either of our salvation or anyone elses..
 
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Abiding

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lol.. Whats wrong? do you believe I believe the gospel is only thorugh Christ (from adam to the last person who will ever be saved on earth) or do you not?

zone does not seem to think so, do you?

as for I misunderstand some thing.. thats beside the point. We can disagree with this and understand it will not affect either of our salvation or anyone elses..
I agree. You know the gospel. I think tho the understanding of Israel does cause
some rather big ramifications. Its leaven that has permeated the church. And has
had worldwide consequences. But besides that No big deal:p