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ShyForHim

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Did Jesus come to save the ENTIRE WORLD? If so will a God who IS ALL POWERFUL fail because of the finite and limited power of a human who is here today and gone tomorrow?
This somehow made me remember of this.

Matthew 10:34 “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword."
 
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Ariel82

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I have no idea what are you talking about???? I'm not sure who is muslim here, so why did you throw that at me? What are you trying to prove? I'm speaking about people in general.
he thinks everyone will be saved whether they believe in Jesus or not.

there is a good reason you have no clue what he is talking about: its not taught by Jesus or His disciples and its NOT in the Bible.

people like to twist things because they want a god of their own making and they think they are more compassionate than God.

<I expect some objection or outcry to this statement, more flinging of hyprocrisy accusation, etc......>

most also don't believe in an actual Hell or Lake of Fire for eternity either.

what can I say?

Sometimes all we can do is pray for them.
 
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Again, will you die? Or do you believe that your flesh and blood will be the only one to enter the kingdom of God?
Im done answering your ridiculous irrelevant questions.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 
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This somehow made me remember of this.

Matthew 10:34 “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword."
He did! AGAIN PEOPLE TRY TO UNDERSTAND ME, PLEASE. WE LIVE IN AN AGE IN WHERE WE CAN ELIMINATE ALL CRIME, HUNGER, POVERTY, AND HOMELESSNESS WITH THE TECNOLOGICAL ADVANCES MADE, BUT WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF KILLING OURSELVES.

I say all will be saved. That's patient love, but we strive continually against it.
 
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He did! AGAIN PEOPLE TRY TO UNDERSTAND ME, PLEASE. WE LIVE IN AN AGE IN WHERE WE CAN ELIMINATE ALL CRIME, HUNGER, POVERTY, AND HOMELESSNESS WITH THE TECNOLOGICAL ADVANCES MADE, BUT WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF KILLING OURSELVES.

I say all will be saved. That's patient love, but we strive continually against it.
It heresy, in the original meaning of the word
 
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ShyForHim

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He did! AGAIN PEOPLE TRY TO UNDERSTAND ME, PLEASE. WE LIVE IN AN AGE IN WHERE WE CAN ELIMINATE ALL CRIME, HUNGER, POVERTY, AND HOMELESSNESS WITH THE TECNOLOGICAL ADVANCES MADE, BUT WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF KILLING OURSELVES.

I say all will be saved. That's patient love, but we strive continually against it.
People will be saved if they want to be.

John 14:6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."
 
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Im done answering your ridiculous irrelevant questions.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
All men die ONCE, then JUDGEMENT.

HOW MANY TIMES WILL A MAN DIE AGAIN? ONCE

What is JUDGEMENT used for?

Jeremiah 10:23-24

[SUP]23 [/SUP]O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O Lord, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.

We are CORRECTED BY JUDGEMENT.
 
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ShyForHim

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One who is born once, will die twice, but the one who is born twice, will die once.

First death is physical, we will all die physically. But if you're not saved, you will face spiritual death, and that means separation from God for all eternity.
 
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Isaiah 63
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come
 
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This somehow made me remember of this.

Matthew 10:34 “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword."
he thinks everyone will be saved whether they believe in Jesus or not.

there is a good reason you have no clue what he is talking about: its not taught by Jesus or His disciples and its NOT in the Bible.

people like to twist things because they want a god of their own making and they think they are more compassionate than God.

<I expect some objection or outcry to this statement, more flinging of hyprocrisy accusation, etc......>

most also don't believe in an actual Hell or Lake of Fire for eternity either.

what can I say?

Sometimes all we can do is pray for them.
Im done answering your ridiculous irrelevant questions.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Can't you see the sword so to speak? All I'm speaking is love, but they attempt to kill off the truth. The irony is that again they both know that they will DIE for their sins in the flesh. God CAN be understood with the mind of a child.

No matter what a man may do whether good or bad, death awaits them. It is the same with the resurrection.
 
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ShyForHim

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Can't you see the sword so to speak? All I'm speaking is love, but they attempt to kill off the truth. The irony is that again they both know that they will DIE for their sins in the flesh. God CAN be understood with the mind of a child.

No matter what a man may do whether good or bad, death awaits them. It is the same with the resurrection.
I think the word "sword" is meant the "truth" as in, God's Word.
 
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Ariel82

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Even Jesus didn't heal everyone or give the homeless other people's houses. WHY? because this world is temporary and we are but strangers and travelers looking to our Heavenly HOME.

Outwardly the children of Satan and the children of God may have the same physical bodies on this Earth, but INWARDLY God works in His children and fills them with HIs light and His truth and HIS WORD so that they are born again in the Spirit and live eternally. not of this flesh that dies but in bodies given upon the resurrection of the Saints. For God tells us to not look at this world but upon higher more spiritual things. To put no faith in the temporal but in the eternal unseen things of God.

Luke 4

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,[SUP][j][/SUP]
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”[SUP][k][/SUP]


[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” [SUP]22 [/SUP]So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]He said to them, “You will surely say this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum,[SUP][l][/SUP] do also here in Your country.’” [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then He said, “Assuredly, I say to you, no prophet is accepted in his own country. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land; [SUP]26 [/SUP]but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath,[SUP][m][/SUP] in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”


[SUP]28 [/SUP]So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, [SUP]29 [/SUP]and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way.
 
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One who is born once, will die twice, but the one who is born twice, will die once.

First death is physical, we will all die physically. But if you're not saved, you will face spiritual death, and that means separation from God for all eternity.

The second death is about killing off only the flesh and blood. If my earthly name is John Smith, that person and that name is going to the flames never to rise again. If God were to call for "john" how many people would answer to that name? Our true names are as unique and individualized as a snow flake and finger prints from one another.
 
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Even Jesus didn't heal everyone or give the homeless other people's houses. WHY? because this world is temporary and we are but strangers and travelers looking to our Heavenly HOME.

Outwardly the children of Satan and the children of God may have the same physical bodies on this Earth, but INWARDLY God works in His children and fills them with HIs light and His truth and HIS WORD so that they are born again in the Spirit and live eternally. not of this flesh that dies but in bodies given upon the resurrection of the Saints. For God tells us to not look at this world but upon higher more spiritual things. To put no faith in the temporal but in the eternal unseen things of God.

Luke 4
18 million homes emptys, 3 million homeless and we claim to have love for our neighbors???
 
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Ariel82

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Can't you see the sword so to speak? All I'm speaking is love, but they attempt to kill off the truth. The irony is that again they both know that they will DIE for their sins in the flesh. God CAN be understood with the mind of a child.

No matter what a man may do whether good or bad, death awaits them. It is the same with the resurrection.
no we both know that we have already DIED for our sins in the flesh and been BORN again in Christ. who DIED for the remission of sins.

I do hope she sees the SWORD. but to make it clearer here are some Bible verses:

Romans 6:4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
 
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Isaiah 63
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come

This simply means that it is the Lord who kills and none other. No one has any power over another unless given him from above.
 
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ShyForHim

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It is and can be used to kill or to heal. The words out of my mouth are for the healing of the nations.
Certainly not if you claim that everyone will be saved.

Matthew 7:13 You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way.
 
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Ariel82

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18 million homes emptys, 3 million homeless and we claim to have love for our neighbors???
get over yourself.

God had Elijah live in the desert. John the Baptist spent most of his life in a tent in the desert.

Why do you think it is GOD's will that everyone have man made homes when HE can create homes without the help of men?

it is better to teach a man to fish than give him a fish.

loving our neighbors is more than just giving them material things, it is showing them God and His ways and teaching them to WORK for their daily bread if God has given them the ability. encouraging sloth is wrong. Creating a community where everyone has a place and a job that gives meaning to their life should be a goal of all Christians. People don't want handouts, they want hand ups.

what are YOU doing about the homeless problem?
 

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Here is some food for thought...

Galatians13 So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them.
Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith;
and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

I am still wondering why few are saved when salvatioon is a free gift of God.
I Got it!
Because of man's pride it is nearly impossible for people to receive it as a little child!