Question about salvation

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justamazed said:
What does God do to His enemies?
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According to scripture he destroys them with fire.

2 Thessalonians 1
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
 
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ShyForHim said:
If I remember right, the Bible teaches something about being a child of God, if not, the father is Satan. I'm not sure whether this is the one though.

John 3:8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil.

9 Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God.
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You believe that satan can create life or does this mean something else?
 
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sinless said:
According to scripture he destroys them with fire.

2 Thessalonians 1
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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Does this not describe us as NO FLESH AND BLOOD shall enter the kingdom of God?
 
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I think I found the verse.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

And this link is also interesting to read about children of God or children of Satan.
 
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ShyForHim said:
I think I found the verse.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

And this link is also interesting to read about children of God or children of Satan.
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Good job..
 
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ShyForHim said:
I think I found the verse.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

And this link is also interesting to read about children of God or children of Satan.
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Luke 9:51-56

[SUP]51 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
[SUP]55 [/SUP]But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Again we must know what it means to be "of the devil". For as many as God loves He REBUKES and chastens.
 
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I think "of the devil" means of people who are still lost and bond to sin and pleasure of the flesh.
 
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ShyForHim said:
I think "of the devil" means of people who are still lost and bond to sin and pleasure of the flesh.
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The "devil" is the covering cast or APPEARANCE of people, things, etc.

This is what is being destroyed. You're a Christian but somehow a stranger is ostracized simply because he is a muslim.

Judge not by the color of skin or APPERANCE, but by the content of their character or HEART. Muslims are people with the same problems christians have. And just as Jesus rebuked His disciples whenever this particular spirit or frame of mind was prevalent. James and John were of the spirit of the devil at the time they had wanted the Lord to drop fire from heaven simply because BY APPEARANCE they had rejected Jesus.
 
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justamazed said:
The "devil" is the covering cast or APPEARANCE of people, things, etc.

This is what is being destroyed. You're a Christian but somehow a stranger is ostracized simply because he is a muslim.

Judge not by the color of skin or APPERANCE, but by the content of their character or HEART. Muslims are people with the same problems christians have. And just as Jesus rebuked His disciples whenever this particular spirit or frame of mind was prevalent. James and John were of the spirit of the devil at the time they had wanted the Lord to drop fire from heaven simply because BY APPEARANCE they had rejected Jesus.
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I have no idea what are you talking about???? I'm not sure who is muslim here, so why did you throw that at me? What are you trying to prove? I'm speaking about people in general.
 
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justamazed said:
Luke 9:51-56

[SUP]51 [/SUP]And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
[SUP]55 [/SUP]But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Again we must know what it means to be "of the devil". For as many as God loves He REBUKES and chastens.
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Believing what God says about the judgment of the wicked and calling fire down on people are not the same thing. Why do you oppose God's word?
 
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Matthew 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

You want to be wheat, not chaff
 
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Romans 6:16 Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living.
 
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ShyForHim said:
I have no idea what are you talking about???? I'm not sure who is muslim here, so why did you throw that at me? What are you trying to prove? I'm speaking about people in general.
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Lol. It's just an example. Another is about sin. You believe you are saved whether you may sin or not. But by appearance, the one you may deem "unsaved" is left out of salvation (again you as an example). But again we just discussed that all men come from God. "The devil" is that which seperates you (being saved) from the other (who by appearance is not). But the truth is by appearances, we're all the same as we will (you, me, and the "sinner") die.

Isaiah 25:5-9

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
 
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sinless said:
Matthew 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

You want to be wheat, not chaff
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The wheat being the "inner man" and the chaff being the "flesh and blood".
 
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sinless said:
Believing what God says about the judgment of the wicked and calling fire down on people are not the same thing. Why do you oppose God's word?
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Did Jesus come to save the ENTIRE WORLD? If so will a God who IS ALL POWERFUL fail because of the finite and limited power of a human who is here today and gone tomorrow?
 
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The wheat being obedient followers, the chaff being sinners. as illustrated in 2 Thess 1:6-10
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Again, will you die? Or do you believe that your flesh and blood will be the only one to enter the kingdom of God?
 
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