catholic religion??

trukin · Apr 13, 2013

PART 3

Merit
1. "...Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life," (CCC 2010).
2. "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods,” (CCC 2027).
Jesus' brothers
1. There are many arguments pro and con concerning Jesus siblings. But the issue cannot be settled without examining Psalm 69, a Messianic Psalm. Jesus quotes Psalm 69:4 in John 15:25, "But they have done this in order that the word may be fulfilled that is written in their Law, They hated Me without a cause."
2. Clearly, Psalm 69 is a Messianic Psalm since Jesus quoted it in reference to Himself two times. The reason this is important is because of what is written between the verses that Jesus quoted.
Penance
1. "Christ instituted the sacrament of Penance for all sinful members of his Church: above all for those who, since Baptism, have fallen into grave sin, and have thus lost their baptismal grace and wounded ecclesial communion. It is to them that the sacrament of Penance offers a new possibility to convert and to recover the grace of justification..." (CCC, par. 1446).
2. "By Christ's will, the Church possesses the power to forgive the sins of the baptized and exercises it through bishops and priests normally in the sacrament of penance ," (CCC par. 986).
3. "As a means of regaining grace and justice, penance was at all times necessary for those who had defiled their souls with any mortal sin. . . .The Council of Trent (Sess. XIV, c. i).
Purgatory
1. The 2nd Vatican Council, p. 63, "The truth has been divinely revealed that sins are followed by punishments. Gods holiness and justice inflict them. Sins must be expiated. This may be done on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and trials of this life and, above all, through death. Otherwise the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments or purifying punishments."
Salvation
1. Salvation through Catholic Church alone: "The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God." (CCC 816).
  1. Quote: Salvation through Catholic Church alone: "The Second Vatican Council's Decree on Ecumenism explains: "For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained." (CCC 816).
2. Heaven is God's reward for good works: "In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere 'to the end' and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ," (CCC, 1821).
3. Merit grace for ourselves: "Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification," (CCC, par. 2010).
4. Salvation through keeping the commandments: "The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (CCC, par 2068, Vatican: the Holy See)
  1. "...the Second Vatican Council confirms: 'The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments,'" (CCC, par 2068).
5. Saved without knowing the gospel of Christ: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation,” (CCC, 847).
6. Catholics still under the Law. The RCC requires the Catholics to keep the law (along with faith) to be saved (CCC 2036, 2070, 2068). But that means that they have not died to the Law in Christ (Rom. 6:6; 7:4; 7:6). If they had, then they would not be required to keep the Law to be saved since they would have died to it and it to them - it would have no jurisdiction over them and have no ability to contribute to salvation in any way. So, since the RCC has its people under the Law, its people are not saved and are not freed from the Law.
7. Necessary for Salvation
  1. “The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 1257).
  2. “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846).
  3. “This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn,” (CCC 980).
  4. “The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation, (CCC 1129).
  5. “Service of and witness to the faith are necessary for salvation,” (CCC 1816).
  6. “The authority of the Magisterium extends also to the specific precepts of the natural law [i.e., 10 Commandments, CCC 2070], because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 2036).
  7. “Detachment from riches is necessary for entering the Kingdom of heaven,” (CCC 2556).
    1. Summation: In Roman Catholicism that which is necessary for salvation includes the church (CCC 846), baptism (CCC 1257), penance (CCC 980), sacraments (CCC 1129), service and witness to the faith (CCC 1816), keeping the ten commandments (CCC 2036 and 2070), and detachment from riches (CCC 2556).
8. Questions
  1. Do you believe that going to heaven, which is salvation, is your reward for the good works that you do? "In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere 'to the end' and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 1821).
  2. If Christians have died with Christ (Rom. 6:6,8), and that means that the Law has no jurisdiction over us (Rom. 4:15; 10:14), because we've died to the Law (Rom. 7:4), then why does the RCC say we need to keep the commandments (Law) in order to be saved (CCC 2036, 2070, 2068)? Also, consider that Rom. 3:28 says, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith APART from works of the Law” (i.e., 10 Commandents).
  3. Jesus said in Matt. 7:22-23, "Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" Jesus condemned them to damnation, why? Because they appealed to their faith AND works to be in heaven.
  4. Do you really believe you can merit (earn) God's grace? "we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification," (CCC, par. 2010).
  5. Are you keeping the commandments enough to attain your salvation? "...so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par 2068)
  6. Are you being good enough in all that you do to be saved?
  7. James 2:10, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
  8. Gal. 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."
  9. In Mt 28:18 Jesus said all authority has been given to him. In Jn 14:14 he said that if we ask him anything in his name he would do it. So would you pray and ask Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins and put all your trust and hope in Him alone? If you do, would you be forgiven of all your sins? If not, why won’t you pray and ask Jesus to forgive you of all your sins?
Terms
1. Assumption - the taking of the body and soul of Mary, by god, into glory. Catholic doctrine, apparently, does not state whether or not Mary died, but tradition holds that she died and was immediately afterward assumed into heaven both body and soul.
2. Mass - a reenactment of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross in a ceremony performed by a priest. This ceremony is symbolically carried out by the priest and involves
3. Mortal Sin - a serious and willful transgression of God's Law. It involves full knowledge and intent of the will to commit the sin. If left unrepentant, can damn someone to eternal hell. '
4. Purgatory - a place of temporary punishment where the Christian is cleansed from sin before they can enter into heaven.
5. Rosary - A string of beads containing five sets with ten small beads. Each set of ten is separated by another bead. It also contains a crucifix. It is used in saying special prayers, usually to Mary where the rosary is used to count the prayers.
6. Transubstantiation - The teaching that the bread and wine in the communion supper become the body and blood of the Lord Jesus at the Consecration during the Mass.
7. Venial Sin - A sin but not as bad as Mortal Sin. It lessens the grace of God within a person's soul.
Tradition
1. ". . .the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence'." (CCC, par. 82.)
2. Verses dealing with Tradition
  1. Matt. 15:4-6, Jesus said, "For God said, Honor your father and mother, and, He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him be put to death 5But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or mother, Anything of mine you might have been helped by has been given to God, 6he is not to honor his father or his mother. And thus you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition."
  2. Mark 7:8-9, "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men. [SUP]9[/SUP]He was also saying to them, You nicely set aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition."
  3. Col. 2:8, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."
3. Refuting Tradition
  1. "But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater," (Heb. 7:7). The context deals with Melchizedek blessing Abraham, but the principle that the lesser is blessed by the greater is still true. If the Catholic appeals to scripture to validate tradition, then he is appealing to scripture as the superior source in order to validate his tradition, the lesser being tradition.
  2. 1 Cor. 11:2, "Now I praise you because you remember me in everything, and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you."
    1. In 1 Cor. 11:2, the traditions "delivered" in the past and, from the context, it appears that Paul is either referring to avoiding idolatry or he is restating the tradition concerning head-coverings, authority, and prayer. There is nothing in the context about RCC Tradition.
  3. 2 Thess. 2:15, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."
    1. The Tradition being spoken of in 2 Thess. 2:15 is the teaching about the second coming of Christ as is spoken of in (2:1-3) and following, not the RCC tradition.
  4. 2 Thess. 3:6, "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep aloof from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us."
    1. In 2 Thess. 3:6, the tradition Paul is speaking of is the tradition of working hard and not being idle. There is nothing here about RCC Sacred Tradition.
Transubstantiation
1. Verses they use to support it.
  1. Matt. 26:28, "for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."
  2. John 6:52-53, "The Jews therefore began to argue with one another, saying, How can this man give us His flesh to eat? [SUP]53[/SUP] Jesus therefore said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.'"
    - Yet, Jesus said, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life," (John 6:63).
  3. 1 Cor. 11:27, "Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord."
2. Re: Transubstantiation: 1st, the Supper was instituted before Jesus' crucifixion; hence, how could it be a re-sacrifice since it hadn't happened when Jesus instituted it? 2nd, transub. violates Levitical law forbidding drinking of blood (Lev. 17:14). 3rd, it violates the incarnation - for a man (Jesus) cannot be physically omnipresent as transub. would physically require.
Verses Examined
1. John 20:23, "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."
  1. The context of John 20:23 is that Jesus was speaking to the disciples (v. 19). He breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit (v. 22). Then they said "have been forgiven". It is aphiami, perfect passive, "have been" forgiven. They are not forgiving, but pronouncing the sins that "have been" forgiven.
Eucharist
1. How is it possible for the Eucharist to be the body and blood of Christ? Isn't a man only in one place at one time as Jesus was in the incarnation? He is still a man (1 Tim. 2:5). Therefore, the incarnation means that the man Jesus is only at one place at a time. Therefore, the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist violates the doctrine of the incarnation of Christ.
2. The Eucharist is the broken body and shed blood of Christ, right? When Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper he said it was his body and blood, but how can that be since he was sitting right there? Was he sitting there and also physically in the bread and wine, too?
3. The Eucharist is the broken body and shed blood of Christ, right? When Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper he said it was his body and blood, but he hadn't yet been crucified, so how could it be his shed blood and broken body?
4. The RC Eucharist cannot literally be Christ’s blood because when Jesus instituted the supper Levitical Law was still in effect since the death of Christ had not yet occurred and the New Covenant was not then instituted (Heb. 9:15-16). So, since the disciples were under O.T. Law when Jesus instituted the Supper, then how was Jesus NOT urging the disciples to violate the command in Lev. 17:14 which says that they were NOT drink the blood of any flesh? (Furthermore, the Jerusalem council also forbid drinking blood in Acts 15:19-20.)
Questions for Catholics
1. What rituals must you perform in order to obtain the grace of God?
  1. "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace," (Rom. 11:6).
2. Are you being good enough to keep yourself saved?
3. If your salvation is dependent, in part, upon your ability to repent of your sins, what do you do with those since you have not repented of because you don't know about them?
4. If authority of the Roman Catholic church is so important, then why did the Bereans in Acts 17:11 not just subject themsleves to that apostolic authority instead of checking what Paul said against scripture -- and Paul praised them for it?
5. If the RC has authority over you, do you submit to whatever it says or do you check what it says against scripture?

trukin · Apr 13, 2013

i know that was rather long winded but you can go to carm.org to find out more about this and other interesting subjects

SparkleEyes · Apr 13, 2013

I think it is interesting that the Catholic church and the Mormon church both have official church books other than the Bible that are vital to their faiths. As far as I know, Protestants (and non-denominationals) rely only on the Bible.

Earlmayknowornot · Apr 13, 2013

SparkleEyes said:

Because it is man made religion.

JaumeJ · Apr 14, 2013

tielbird said:

How can anyone be bashing another by reporting the facts? Bashing is denying Jesus was a Jew and carving out images of Pope designated saints and praying to them, dressing them in luxurious garb and jewels, worshiping them and praying to them. Our Heavenly Father has made all who believe Jesus sanctified by the Blood of the Lamb. Bashing? No, not I nor any others who know the truth. Blaspehemy and apostasy run rampant in the RCC, but it is not lacking in protestant religions either. Believe Jesus, Yeshua, and worship Him. I find it intriguing that you compare commenting on the RCC to commenting on Moslem extremists.

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

kenisyes said:

lol I was wondering why it took so long for a thread like this to pop back up. I actually thought people found the true meaning of Christianity. LOVE!!! (what was I thinking?)
First of all, Catholics DON'T teach that "Scripture can only be properly interpreted by the Magisterium". We are encouraged to study and learn Scripture for ourselves. But just like all the rest of our Christian brothers and sisters, we see much sense in how our mother Church interprets Scripture. So don't go pointing the finger at Catholics like we're the only ones being taught by our Church leaders. And we don't simply cite an approved teacher of ours. All I have done in this place is give the Catholic Church's position on arguments in here, which I normally agree with, obviously, and carry on with the discussion.

"Catholicism, according to their own sociologist Andrew Greeley, is as much a sub-culture as it is a church. You cannot pull them out of it, because their entire identity, life script structure, and social life depends on keeping to the practices of their childhood."
Friend, the only thing my life depends on here on earth is my love for Christ and His love for me. You cannot pull me out of the Catholic Church is because I truly see Christ in her. My entire identity now is "a follower of Christ." Stop talking like you know all Catholics. My social life depends on keeping the practices of what Christ has shown me in the past year since I have come to know Him. You're wrong again.

"Ask them how they feel about Jesus."
Go on, brother, ask me how I feel about Jesus, my savior.

"The disagreement occurs over whether a man is necessary as an intermediary between Jesus and a saved person."
There is only a disagreement if you think that an intermediary is necessary between Jesus and anyone on earth. Because that is not a teaching of the Catholic Church. We need no intermediary. There you go spreading false accusations about the Holy Catholic Church again. God forgive you.

"Typical ways are refusing to acknowledge a divorce from a wife-beating spouse, refusing to acknowledge ministries, etc."
The Church doesn't allow divorce because it states quite plainly in the bible that man shouldn't separate what God has joined. The Church doesn't say that she must live with her abusive husband. But she must not remarry. And neither him remarry. They must try and find help from the thousands of avenues available to us these days. And who can forget prayer? She must pray. The Lord will answer. With the faith of a mustard seed she will tell this mountain to move and it will move. And what do you mean by "refusing to acknowledge ministries?"

Wit2Christ, I sincerely hope that you continue to search for the truth, letting the Holy Spirit guide you, and not allowing foolishness to take control of the direction you travel on this beautiful journey you're on. All I can advise you is to pray, and pray sincerely with all your heart, paying due reverence to the Lord showing Him how much you love Him and need Him. BELIEVE ME, He WILL answer your prayers. God bless you!!

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

JaumeJ said:

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

SparkleEyes said:

lol which Bible do you rely on, Sparkle? And how do you know it is the Correct translation? You obviously rely on it COMPLETELY for your salvation. If you rely on it so much, you really need to know that it is the correct translation, right? Because there are so many different translations out there these days. So, how do you know?

JaumeJ · Apr 14, 2013

When we come together in worship it should always be in the name of Jesus, Whom I love to call by the Hebrew to English transliteration, Yeshua.

By virtue of a name being placed on any religion calling itself Christian, it has become a theology that is "almost right."

Our Father, God, is not almost right, He is perfect! We are being perfected by Him in our Lord, Jesus, and on His Day, not before, we too will be perfect because He will have perfected each of us. What a glorious day.

Earlier in this thread I posted a newspaper article about true events of RCC members, thousands, at a procession where they followed a cloth said to be Veronica's cloth to a chapel outside of Alicante. Sever thousand of these RCC members went from the chapel to obtain shopping carts filled with liquor, and stealing the carts they proceeded to nearby San Juan beach for an a night of debauchery. For posting this I am said to be "bashing" the RCC. Telling the truth is now considered bashing by any blinded by a theology or school of thought outside the Word, so be advised to keep this in mind whenever relating any truth to those under the burden of any theology or school of thought. They do not want others to have freedom in the Messiah.

The kernal of this response and post, I suppose, could be summed up in the recommendation to listen to our Lord, Yeshua, and learn from Him directly as He teaches. He teaches we should learn of Him for His yoke is easy, His burden is light. Stick with theologies apart from His teaching and you will definitely be burdened all the time you walk the path of this age.

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

JaumeJ said:

"Bashing is denying Jesus was a Jew and carving out images of Pope designated saints and praying to them, dressing them in luxurious garb and jewels, worshiping them and praying to them."
Worshipping them? Worshipping who? We worship God and God alone. Get it right. Wow, I find it interesting how much you guys get wrong about the Catholic Church. I can't help but think that if you knew the truth about the Catholic Church and not only all this speculation, you would probably consider coming home. Just a thought. God bless.

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

JaumeJ said:

"The Popes have always been aware of this type of activity, but as long as it keeps Catholics Catholic it appears they do not mind."
Really? Our Pope doesn't mind? who told you this? lol Are you out of your mind? Do you really think the Pope accepts that kind of behavior? And do you really think that the people acting in this way are true practicing Catholics? Wake up and think before you post comments like this intentionally to defame the Catholic Church. lol God bless

"All anyone need do is do searches of each Catholic country on their fiesta activities, and he will be abhorred. Similar debauchary is cropping up in many countries to where these people have immigrated in number."

Where do you get your stats from? And can we get the same sort of stats about protestants from there too? Like what the protestants are doing in Ireland? Or would you rather not show those stats?

JaumeJ · Apr 14, 2013

Do not be ridiculous, and do not call white black. This type of activity goes on in Spain and other RCC dominated countries around this old earth, and the popes since my short time in this age have all been aware of the torture of animals, the mistreatment of woman, the abuse of children, and the list goes on.

You provide all the statistics you want, while I state the truth. If the popes did not approve this type of wicked conduct would have been curtailed before I was born in the 1940's. I know first hand. You may spout all the statistics you like, but they do lie. Statistics say when one man has two cars and another does not have one, they both have a car. Do not worry about my disliking the CCR and not approving, I do not approve of any theology, but the RCC foments so many traditions of man as commandment of God, I cannot ignore their apostasy.[QUOTE=7seven7;992090]

JaumeJ said:

tielbird · Apr 14, 2013

JaumeJ said:

The excerpt of your post that I quoted in my previous message is this:

JaumeJ said:

This is what you call "reporting the facts"? If you want to represent anti-Catholic bigotry as "fact" then you shouldn't be surprised to hear a Catholic object. In my opinion, (not a fact) even many non-Catholics on this forum would likely find your comment offensive. God bless you just the same, my brother.

JaumeJ · Apr 14, 2013

Jesus said to the hypocrites that were blind, had they not said they see, they would not be guilty, but now that they say they see, their guilt remains. I will pray for you but never for what you do, for that would be participating in your ways, and this is against the teaching of our Savior, Jesus.

tielbird said:

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

JaumeJ said:

LOL You really MUST be out of your mind, brother. God never said this would be a perfect world. These things happen in every country in the world. Including Protestant dominant ones. How does that mean that the Popes accept this kind of behavior? How can you make such outrageous comments without even batting an eyelid? A direct attack resulted by a chip on your shoulder, if I ever saw one lol God bless you, and tonight I will be praying for you, my friend. Lol wow.

Moviefan2k4 · Apr 14, 2013

I don't know the hearts of all Catholics, and I'm not one myself, but don't they practically deify Mary, just because she was chosen by God to be Jesus' mother? I know there's verses about her name being revered, but such practices by Catholics seem to cross the line (no pun intended).

My main beef with the Catholic faith is a lot of the stuff they allow (or don't). For example, they demand that priests remain both single and celibate, but some transfer accused pedophiles within their ranks to another parish, instead of calling the cops. The whole "anti-sex" policy is a gross misuse of Paul's personal stance in 2nd Corinthians; there's no such prohibition from God for those who wish to serve Him. Premarital and extramarital sex are sins, but marriage is a holy institution for providing safe expression.

Another one is the whole "vow of poverty" deal, which is based on another false claim saying money is the root of all evil. The Catholic faith insists that priests and nuns renounce all personal possessions, but the buildings in the Vatican are among the most extravagant in the world. Such a thing stinks of hypocrisy. If someone wrestles with greed, it was there long before the money.

loveme1 · Apr 14, 2013

7seven7 said:

LOL You really MUST be out of your mind, brother. God never said this would be a perfect world. These things happen in every country in the world. Including Protestant dominant ones. How does that mean that the Popes accept this kind of behavior? How can you make such outrageous comments without even batting an eyelid? A direct attack resulted by a chip on your shoulder, if I ever saw one lol God bless you, and tonight I will be praying for you, my friend. Lol wow.

Be sure that chip is not in your own eye.. your laughing becomes you.

loveme1 · Apr 14, 2013

The catholic religion like many other religions are of this world.

Tell them what Heavenly Father says and they will reply with what man has said...

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

Moviefan2k4 said:

Hey just one point on the celibacy of priests (and nuns for that matter), these couple of verses from 1 Corinthians might've had something to do with the Church's decision. Not for sure, just saying maybe. Maybe they were taking advice from the Bible? And a good reason it would've been.

1 Corinthians 7:32-34

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]32 [/SUP]But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may pleasehis wife. [SUP]34 [/SUP]There is[SUP][a][/SUP] a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.

7seven7 · Apr 14, 2013

loveme1 said:

Not true...

catholic religion??

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