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(Joh 17:17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (What is the Word? What is truth?)

(Joh 17:19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. (Again, what is truth? What was the message of Jesus?)

(Eph 5:26) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, (What is the Word?)

(1Th 5:23) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.)

(Heb 13:12) Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

(1Pe 3:15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: (1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.)

Isa 5:16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

RIGHTEOUSNESS: Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Can you sanctify yourself or is it the work of the Spirit through the cross?
 
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Jesus sacrifice on the cross DESTROYED the need for animal sacrifices for sin............Is it wrong to say that?
 

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I cannot keep Gods word unless my faith is in the cross. Look Peter walked on the water, but when he took his eyes off Jesus he sank and cried Lord help me and Jesus lifted him up and walked back to the boat. Like the song say's "I can't even wal without you holding my hand" why boast in our deeds.
Don't boast in your deeds. Joh 3:20 For everyone who does evil things hates the light and avoids it, so that his actions won't be exposed.
Joh 3:21 But everyone who does what is true comes to the light, so that all may see that his actions are accomplished through God."

Without Jesus, I wouldn't even know my actions/deeds are evil. Let your good fruit be seen. Why hide that you love God and you love your neighbor Through the Word, both verbally through Jesus' spoken words recorded in the NT and through the Word written in the OT, we know what is good and what is evil. The Ten Commandments - all of them - including Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

If God and Jesus said something is holy, we need not profane it, call it changed. God forbid all those who are washed and cleansed of the old nature. Keep it simple. Obey and bear good fruit.
 

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Romans 9:30-32 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith:but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling;

Romans 7:6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Galatians 3:10-12 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continueth not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them.Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith;
and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them.
 
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Don't boast in your deeds. Joh 3:20 For everyone who does evil things hates the light and avoids it, so that his actions won't be exposed.
Joh 3:21 But everyone who does what is true comes to the light, so that all may see that his actions are accomplished through God."

Without Jesus, I wouldn't even know my actions/deeds are evil. Let your good fruit be seen. Why hide that you love God and you love your neighbor Through the Word, both verbally through Jesus' spoken words recorded in the NT and through the Word written in the OT, we know what is good and what is evil. The Ten Commandments - all of them - including Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

If God and Jesus said something is holy, we need not profane it, call it changed. God forbid all those who are washed and cleansed of the old nature. Keep it simple. Obey and bear good fruit.
I understand what you are saying. Certainly we should keep his word. The problem I have with this thread is that the emphasis is focused on works and not the work of the cross. The cross is what brought me to His word and the cross is the means that allows The Holy Spirit to work in me to produce fruit. My faith must stay focused on the cross and not what I am doing. Amen
 

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Don't boast in your deeds. Joh 3:20 For everyone who does evil things hates the light and avoids it, so that his actions won't be exposed.
Joh 3:21 But everyone who does what is true comes to the light, so that all may see that his actions are accomplished through God."

Without Jesus, I wouldn't even know my actions/deeds are evil. Let your good fruit be seen. Why hide that you love God and you love your neighbor Through the Word, both verbally through Jesus' spoken words recorded in the NT and through the Word written in the OT, we know what is good and what is evil. The Ten Commandments - all of them - including Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

If God and Jesus said something is holy, we need not profane it, call it changed. God forbid all those who are washed and cleansed of the old nature. Keep it simple. Obey and bear good fruit.
why just the big 10, why not all 600+? And how will you keep ALL the law if you don't have the sacrifices? And where is your high priest and temple? You aren't keeping the Law of Moses, you are breaking it and dragging it through the mud of self righteousness.
 
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I cannot keep Gods word unless my faith is in the cross. Look Peter walked on the water, but when he took his eyes off Jesus he sank and cried Lord help me and Jesus lifted him up and walked back to the boat. Like the song say's "I can't even wal without you holding my hand" why boast in our deeds.
If you are holding Jesus' hand, and following Him, I should think that would lead you to obedience. Is it difficult for you to both obey and trust? God asks you for both. What is this boasting about your obedience? I thought obedience came with love, faith, and trust, don't see where the boasting fits in.
 

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Jesus sacrifice on the cross DESTROYED the need for animal sacrifices for sin............Is it wrong to say that?
Ezekiel 40-48 is the Millenium Kingdom - there are sacrifices in the Millenium Temple. For now, there is no Temple in Jerusalem, so there cannot be any sacrifices "for sin".

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Yes, Jesus is the sacrificial perfect Lamb of God and there is no other sacrifice for SINS!!
 
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If you are holding Jesus' hand, and following Him, I should think that would lead you to obedience. Is it difficult for you to both obey and trust? God asks you for both. What is this boasting about your obedience? I thought obedience came with love, faith, and trust, don't see where the boasting fits in.
My boast is in the cross, where is yours. Is it saying look at what I do. I obey the word through the cross and by The Holy Spirit and not that of my own. We must rely on God for everything. " suffer not the little children for such is the Kingdom of God"

It is by Him, through Him. and to Him. Nothing we can do.
 

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why just the big 10, why not all 600+? And how will you keep ALL the law if you don't have the sacrifices? And where is your high priest and temple? You aren't keeping the Law of Moses, you are breaking it and dragging it through the mud of self righteousness.
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When one is presented with the fact that the whole Word of God is still true and applicable to us today, it is usually not more than 30 seconds later that the topic of sacrifices enters into the conversation. This is an attempt to simplify as much as possible, a very complicated subject. This teaching very briefly hits some key points and thoughts on this subject, to offer some things to consider, in another "119 Thoughts."


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In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
(Col 2:3-10)
 

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When one is presented with the fact that the whole Word of God is still true and applicable to us today, it is usually not more than 30 seconds later that the topic of sacrifices enters into the conversation. This is an attempt to simplify as much as possible, a very complicated subject. This teaching very briefly hits some key points and thoughts on this subject, to offer some things to consider, in another "119 Thoughts."


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And your high priest for the forgiveness of sins? Remember, it is part of the Law of Moses.
 
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why just the big 10, why not all 600+? And how will you keep ALL the law if you don't have the sacrifices? And where is your high priest and temple? You aren't keeping the Law of Moses, you are breaking it and dragging it through the mud of self righteousness.
All 600 expresses God wanting a world that was safe for the Hebrews, in the environment they lived in then. The law expresses love, God loves His own and wants them protected and to live with Him forever. We are to follow the law of love, all law is of love. Don't you read scripture?

Scripture says the sacrificial system is replaced by Christ, such a thing as using it hasn't been suggested for almost 2,000 years. Why would you suggest going back when God says no! And here you are preaching to ignore the law, and accusing others of breaking law. Everyone breaks it, God gave us Christ. But having Christ is no excuse for not listening to law. Or did you think it was? Talk about mud!!!
 

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In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
(Col 2:3-10)
What philosophy and vain deceit, after THE TRADITION OF MEN, after the rudiments of the WORLD and not after Christ? Christmas and Easter and SUNday.
 
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All 600 expresses God wanting a world that was safe for the Hebrews, in the environment they lived in then. The law expresses love, God loves His own and wants them protected and to live with Him forever. We are to follow the law of love, all law is of love. Don't you read scripture?

Scripture says the sacrificial system is replaced by Christ, such a thing as using it hasn't been suggested for almost 2,000 years. Why would you suggest going back when God says no! And here you are preaching to ignore the law, and accusing others of breaking law. Everyone breaks it, God gave us Christ. But having Christ is no excuse for not listening to law. Or did you think it was? Talk about mud!!!

No brother, the law exposes sin and does nothing to remove it.
 
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My boast is in the cross, where is yours. Is it saying look at what I do. I obey the word through the cross and by The Holy Spirit and not that of my own. We must rely on God for everything. " suffer not the little children for such is the Kingdom of God"

It is by Him, through Him. and to Him. Nothing we can do.
If you are saying that you humbly listen to God and your life is led by Him, I agree with you. If you say that the forgiveness we have through Christ is a huge part of that, I also agree. But if you are saying that you are not about to cooperate with God by submitting to His lead, not about to follow Him because it would take some doing on your part and you don't believe in any doing, then I think you are far off from truth.
 
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If you are saying that you humbly listen to God and your life is led by Him, I agree with you. If you say that the forgiveness we have through Christ is a huge part of that, I also agree. But if you are saying that you are not about to cooperate with God by submitting to His lead, not about to follow Him because it would take some doing on your part and you don't believe in any doing, then I think you are far off from truth.

Yes we must be willing to follow His lead. It does take effort on our part and that is faith. The cross is there whether I act on it or not. If I don't act in faith, then I do not receive the benefit. I am not saying lay back and wait for God to save or sanctify. But my faith must be in the cross for any of this to happen. Keeping a law is flesh, agree. keeping one's faith in the cross produces fruit of the Spirit.
 

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Paul Nison interview (Christian Mindset Keeps People From Understanding Torah)

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