Tell me would you kill...

[Faith00]

There's a lot to consider in situations like these. Like in the poll. I chose the 3rd, 4th, and 5th one. Now thinking I should of also chose the 1st one. The reason being is because other lives are on the line. And for me, in every case there would also be souls on the line. To save a life is to give them an opportunity to live and possibly live better lives than before. Didn't God help David kill the giant? The giant was a dangerous threat to God's people so he took someone who didn't even have any blood on his hands, who's never been on a battlefield, to increase His glory and slay the giant.

And since that one who brought up these verses: Romans 13;4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avengerd 1Th 4:6 that brings wrath on the one who does wrong.
The government has laws that justifies an everyday citizen to kill and in a situation to save lives, Like if someone was having a shoot out with the cops and a citizen killed him the case would most likely be thrown out if there even was a case.

 

[matt7777777]

The bible says it is wrong to murder but there is a diffrence between murder an killing... there is a scripture in the bible that says there is a time for everything under heaven an earth even a time for war an a time to kill.

 

[CDavid]

Sometimes deadly force is required to be the good Samaritan.
Example: If the good Samaritan had been ahead of schedule, and he arrived on the scene when the attack on the traveler was taking place, would he still be a good Samaritan, if he did not use whatever force, including deadly force if needed, to protect the victim. Wouldn't you want police officers to use deadly force, to protect crime victims.
The use of deadly force by the US in our foreign conflicts, has always been an act a of good Samaritan.

 

[A_Silent_Gnome]

I had a dream the other night that I was at war and in a Mexican stand off with a enemy spy where only one of us could get out alive. Long story short I ended up shooting them dead, I felt rather bad and shaken the next day (Was one of those dreams where you think it's actually real) The bible says no to murder but honestly do you think you could kill if it meant saving yours or another's life.

You do know there's a difference between killing and murder.

It's okay to kill but it's not okay to murder. The difference is that killing can be done for good reasons, like defending someone else from getting murdered. And murder is just killing for evil reasons.

There's an evil way to take life and there's a good way to take life.

 

[Theophane]

David being a man of war cleanly had a heart against God. Oh wait...

Well Gideon... Wait. Joshua? No. Samson? Moses?

But the scriptures never gave instruction to go to war. Wait...

There may be a difference between murder and war or self defence.

If you deliberately take a human life, that's murder. On the battlefield, defending your home, it is the same. Killing is killing.

 

[Theophane]

You do know there's a difference between killing and murder.

Killing and murder refer to the same thing. This is a semantic argument.

It's okay to kill but it's not okay to murder. The difference is that killing can be done for good reasons, like defending someone else from getting murdered. And murder is just killing for evil reasons.

There's an evil way to take life and there's a good way to take life.

There'd never a "good" way to take life. You've blurred the distinction between good and evil.

 

[Theophane]

Sometimes deadly force is required to be the good Samaritan.

Oh?

In the actual biblical Parable of the Good Samaritan, did the Samaritan use deadly force? Was he backed into that corner in any way? What did that Samaritan do?

 

[koolcas]

interesting interesting (the topic that is). im not sure if killing in the battlefield is a sin. but what i do know is that i would never kill. i know myself. i would go crazy. thanks to the media, killing as a defense is justified in society. i would prefer to let go and let God fight the battle. "Vengeance is mine," says the Lord...

 

[LorHope]

I don't really like any of the options posted, to be honest. Here's my thought, Jesus Christ died for us so that we could live in eternity with him. Death is written about in the Bible many times. Death killing, those things are apart of life. I think the question should always be, why are you killing? Is it to protect your loved ones? Your country? If the reason you are killing someone, isn't one that could be ethically or morally wrong, then I would say it's not biblically wrong. From what I understand with what the Bible says.

 

[JesusChica1991]

Interesting topic. Some versions of the Bible in the 10 commandments say "Thou shalt not kill." But interestingly enough, in the original manuscripts, it was the Hebrew word for murder. The Bible also doesn't say we can't defend ourselves. If someone breaks into my house and wants to take my jewelry, fine. Those are replaceable over time. But if someone breaks into my house and are after me to murder me and my children, I'm going to defend myself. I will kill them if I have to. The Lex Talionis (do unto others as you have them do unto you) is a Jewish system for only in terms of justice on physical materials. If a neighbor stole something, he had to pay you equally in return. You see this in our judicial system. This rule does NOT mean we cannot defend our lives. If God meant "Do not kill," then he would not have instructed wars to be had as we see in the New Testament. Murder is done with anger in the heart. That's why Jesus says in the New Testament that a person who has thoughts of anger to another person, he equates them with a murderer in their hearts. On the other hand, killing is either an act of defense or an accidental killing. There were places in the Old Testament for Jews who would be protected in case situations like this would occur so that the families of the people accidentally killed would not come back for revenge.

 

[earlyedition]

I don't think I undestand

 

[Theophane]

The Lex Talionis (do unto others as you have them do unto you) is a Jewish system for only in terms of justice on physical materials. If a neighbor stole something, he had to pay you equally in return.

Are you referring to the Golden Rule? I've never heard of "Lex Talionis."

 

[JesusChica1991]

The Lex Talionis is in principle the same as the Golden Rule

 

[JesusChica1991]

"Eye for eye...tooth for tooth." That's where the principle comes from in general.

 

[Theophane]

"Eye for eye...tooth for tooth." That's where the principle comes from in general.

Jesus teaches the opposite of that.


Matthew 5:38-48
New International Version (NIV)


38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

[Theophane]

interesting interesting (the topic that is). im not sure if killing in the battlefield is a sin. but what i do know is that i would never kill. i know myself. i would go crazy. thanks to the media, killing as a defense is justified in society. i would prefer to let go and let God fight the battle. "Vengeance is mine," says the Lord...

Q. "When is a sin not a sin?"

A. "Never."

Killing as a defense is indeed justified by society, but to the point where the notion of "defense" encourages one to kill, regardless of their situation. People are encouraged to be fearful and paranoid because this fuels the gun industry.

 

[JesusChica1991]

So are you saying Jesus is saying we cannot defend ourselves....that was not his intention at all. If someone hits me, I will defend myself. Jesus was not meaning for us to just let ourselves be spit upon and walked on by everyone..

 

[A_Silent_Gnome]

If you deliberately take a human life, that's murder. On the battlefield, defending your home, it is the same. Killing is killing.

Killing and murder refer to the same thing. This is a semantic argument.



There'd never a "good" way to take life. You've blurred the distinction between good and evil.

No, actually there is definitely a good way to take life.

Let's look at God for example...Sodoma and Gomora, the evil was so great in that city that God took that city. See, a good way to take away life. It's called justice.

Next, there's two words in hebrew... one word is "killing" and the other word is "murder"... so yes there's a difference.

Murder is taking life for evil reasons.

Killing is just taking life. Which could be for evil or good reasons. In my case, I'm talking about good killing... like you would in defence of my own life or for the defense of someone who is in danger of being murdered.

 

[A_Silent_Gnome]

Jesus teaches the opposite of that.


Matthew 5:38-48
New International Version (NIV)


38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

No where in that text does it say we can't defend ourselves. This is our character to love thy neighbor. But, that doesn't mean we can't defend ourselves.

How do you explain the Israelites having an army? And God leading them to battle?

Also if God is against us taking life in ANY situation. Then why didn't Jesus of all people, didn't say anything to the roman soldier he talked to... who takes life for a living? The scripture I share... this implies support for what I'm telling you.

Matthew 8:5-13

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, [SUP]6 [/SUP]saying, “Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented.”

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! [SUP]11 [/SUP]And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

Jesus says the soldier has great faith... how can someone of great faith. Someone who's so right with God... be a soldier. When you think it's never okay to take life?

The answer.... because there is a right to time to take life... and it isn't evil. There's murder which is taking life for evil reasons and there's killing which isn't always evil.

Murder = Evil

Killing = Can be Good or Evil

 

[Theophane]

The answer.... because there is a right to time to take life... and it isn't evil. There's murder which is taking life for evil reasons and there's killing which isn't always evil.

The average person can't be trusted to understand the difference between good and evil or to act as Judge/Jury/Executioner. In a society where everyone is armed to the teeth and just waiting for an excuse to kill someone, biding their time until they can act on that instinct, listening to talk radio personalities telling them about how everyone is out to get them ....