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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Yes. You are not saved till Jesus welcomes you into the kingdom as demonstrated by Jesus' own words in mat 7's sermon on the mount. Most of us will not be judged till after death. There are a few exceptions.. The thief on the cross was judged while still alive, the pharisees who blasphemed the...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    and if the Holy Spirit decides to use a person in the church to full fill a purpose, who would ultimately not be saved, how would this be any different than judas?
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I do not understand your point. Did Jesus 'know' Judas?/Was Judas saved? Yet Jesus still chose Judas to go out and perform miracles preach and teach in Mat 10, Mark 6, and luke 9 with the other 11.
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    I have not avoided anything. I am pointing out that Jesus in the warning found in mat 7 never says these miracles where false. I warned you that the only other time in the bible where someone claims a work of the Holy Spirit performed through someone was 'false.' That act was identified as...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Carful.. The pharisees also accused Jesus of casting out demons using the power of Satan, and Jesus told them doing so they had committed the unforgivable sin. Mat 12: 22 Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    No the text literally "says" That these men referenced preaching in His NAME, and performing MANY Miracles, which included casting out demons. We are given a picture of what this job of casting out demons included and faith in Christ/having to use Christ's name was a big part of that: Acts...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    None of which where possible without intervention of the Holy Spirit. Or do you think preaching in His NAME, and performing MANY Miracles happens without the endorsement/support of the Holy Spirit? No, They believed Jesus would save them. That is why they Cried out to Him Lord, Lord...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    1. in a true translation the word is translated 'He/him' as the greek word is O'ho which is a pronoun or definate article . Let's look 'into' the greek: ὁ ho, ho; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom):—the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    What is my position? what is the argument you think I am trying to make?
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    if love means work then YES! Eph 2: 8;For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9;not by works, so that no one can boast. (KEEP READING) 10;For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Have you read the passage in mat 7 recently? Jesus' assessment of why He calls them 'Evil doers' and says He never knew them. does not fault them for their works.. Rather their lack of works. More specifically their in ability/unwillingness to do the will of the Father. 21 “Not everyone...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    Actually that is the only question being addressed here, because in John 5:24 Jesus says: “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. I believe that what Jesus says in Mat 7 states...
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    If we agree on this point then why would there be a burden on me to prove anything? The only reason you would need me to define believe is if you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    The argument I am making is that John 5 states that who so ever believe shall not perish but have ever lasting life. My argument is that it is possible to fully believe in Jesus, and yet not be saved. "For even the demon believe and shudder." Which you seem to be in agreement with.
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    OSAS, When does salvation take place?

    The argument I am making is that John 5 states that who so ever believe shall not perish but have ever lasting life. My argument is that it is possible to fully believe in Jesus, and yet not be saved. "For even the demon believe and shudder." Which you seem to be in agreement with.