Recent content by wattie

The bible does interpret itself.. know the context and its clear. But AI cannot replace Holy Spirit empowered believers expounding on the Word of God. An atheist can read the Bible as is and interpret, but carries the a priori assumption supernatural cannot happen.

Again ...I wouldn't rely on AI. How does it get to its conclusions?

Well.. in acts 19...after water baptism..they receive the Holy Spirit. So.. that's not salvation..it's a different role of the Holy Spirit. That's a whole group receiving the Holy Spirit

Is baptism with the Holy Spirit what is described?

I was re-baptised because the first baptism I hardly knew what it was about and it was in a wayward church. Anabaptists re-baptise believers who have a questionable baptism. And independent Baptists. Acts 19 has an account of re-baptism. But understand..the conversion was before any...

Right...so edifying the church in the context of Corinth..was that local New Testament church. The body described in 1 co 12.. is the local body. It isn't describing all redeemed. But you are right..interpreted tongues edified the church. Not inferior to prophecy then.

True enough.. take it from the Bible itself. These histories around the city of Corinth are real though. Reading scripture context..is putting it in its historical setting. It's adds understanding to why things are done and said certain ways in scripture..because you can know more about...

What I'm saying is counterfeit tongues was going on..and that it was most likely trance like state with unintelligible sounds.... from pagan religion of the time. Not that Paul was doing this.. but he was comparing the false with the true tongues. So not the Paul was influenced, but the...

You only have to read about the city historical context https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/into-the-heart-of-paganism

Speaking without interpretation, selfishly is also associated with 1 co 14.. having tongues that have a clear sound, understandable, that edifies others. The teaching of this kind of tongues is based on the fact the pagan kind were infecting them.

My issue with kjvo is discounting EVERY other translation after it. I only use the KJV, my church is KJVO..but I would be prepared to use another accurate translation. I know the njkv isn't really the kjv with more up to date English..because it is from using the Westcort and Hort sources...

https://www.africanplume.com/2023/06/i-speak-with-tongues-more-than-you-all.html?m=1 Is the reference.. but agreed on by many

Well, many bible scholars agree the Corinthians had this issue. It's not something unclear. Just type in Corinthians and paganism and see the amount of results on the internet. Not all are solid..but there is plenty about this. A city affected by paganism would NOT have counterfeit, pagan...

Key points... The tongues are identified to be practiced in a New Testament church setting. It's meant for the local NT assembly of believers They are inferior to prophecy They should be interpreted for the edification of others in the church. They should be understandable to the...

This may be helpful: 1 Corinthians 14 Meaning and Commentary - Scripture Savvy What I actually believe about the gift of tongues is different to you.. but I think it's fruitful to examine what it really is in scripture.