Shall we sin that grace may abound?

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He’s probably mis interpreting this verse I’d say “if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”
which one verse interpretations often mis the mark badly


“if we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But really it says just before that if we deny him he will deny us . Jesus said this also.

“but he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so I’m not sure this verse should be proof of osas at all.

If we want to know they explain it in places like this but not in just a verse we should always read chapters and pages

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:26-27

again this isnt saying “your saved no matter what “ it’s seems more like a dire and frightening warning that we need to repent while we can. But we never take those things in much these days … it’s not hip

Well Hebrews 10 is mainly about animal sacrifices, so 'no more sacrifice for sins' is no more animal sacrifice, since that is what the Hebrews were returning to. They were going back to sacrifice of sheep, bulls and goats, even though they were under the New Covenant.
 
Well Hebrews 10 is mainly about animal sacrifices, so 'no more sacrifice for sins' is no more animal sacrifice, since that is what the Hebrews were returning to. They were going back to sacrifice of sheep, bulls and goats, even though they were under the New Covenant.
Yeah but it’s really a constant contrast between the things of the ot ( like animal sacrifices and sinful preists the shadows ) and the true things of Christ Jesus flesh and blood and his preisthood in the true tabernacle ect

The whole book is an argument to Hebrews that there’s a new covenant a better one before them . So you see the constant contrast even from the beginning Jesus is compared to the angels who ordained the old and exalted far above them . Each section of the covenant is compared the sacrifices , the tabernacle the preisthood the covenant promises , the promised land of the covenants

notice there’s a constant contrast like Moses words and animals blood v the blood of Christ and his better words of mediation. Like sinful imperfect preists v a perfect priest who faced every temptation of men and never sinned proving his perfection and becoming the intercessor of those who believe.

The whole book does just what you say correctly there aboit animal sacrifices of the old the sacrifice of Jesus Christs body and blood of the new


Its a whole argument regarding the two covenants

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

……But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;


neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1, 11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Really it’s just a single letter they added the chapters and verse numbers for study but if we read through it it’s just one long argument to Hebrews that there is a new covenant and thier old one was inferior in every way
 
Christianity is not a 'sinning religion'! Through Christ's atonement and the presence of the Holy Spirit, there is victory over sinning. This fact is so plainly seen in the New Testament, my mind boggles that people don't see it. Do we bring the Word of God down to the level our experience or elevate our experience to the level of the Word of God?

You are human, so you sin. That is all. Obviously after being born again you can sin less, obey God as much as you can.

Absolutely no one on earth is perfect in the sense of does everything without sin. That's just plain fact.
 
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Sanctification is a crisis with a view to a process. The aorist tense in 1 Thes 5:23 ie.'may the God of peace sanctify you entirely' is an instantaneous, crisis experience. This is a cleansing from inbred sin with a view to growing in Christlikeness.
....be preserved blameless untill?... so things can change
Christianity is not a 'sinning religion'! Through Christ's atonement and the presence of the Holy Spirit, there is victory over sinning. This fact is so plainly seen in the New Testament, my mind boggles that people don't see it. Do we bring the Word of God down to the level our experience or elevate our experience to the level of the Word of God?
It's a personal walk. Paul says it is not i that sins it is the sin that dwelleth in me Rom 7:20 when I do good evil is present. I want to choose good but I do not do it . Is wanting to do good and agreeing that sin is wrong good enough? Why is GOD going to judge his house first. Judge what if we have alreadybeen justified? If you blaspheme enough there is no forgiveness, if you sin on purpose there is no forgiveness. What if you believe in GOD and do good works and do not have faith. What if you are Christian and have a weak moment, are you going to go to heaven being a fornicator? There is no inheritance for ...
 
Paul says it is not i that sins it is the sin that dwelleth in me Rom 7:20

The man in Romans 7 is not a Christian. He says "he is carnal" and is "sold under sin" and over in Romans 8 we see that being carnal minded is death which is being separated from the Lord.

The reformers use Romans 7 as an excuse, as cover for them to continue living in sin and then claiming they are not responsible for anything their body does when it's out doing sin. It's false teaching from the gnostics

I want to choose good but I do not do it

You are without excuse for not choosing good over evil.

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness

if you sin on purpose there is no forgiveness.

Everyone after having been born again has chosen to do sin at least a few times even though they knew it was sin.

1 John 1:9 should be used.

What if you are Christian and have a weak moment, are you going to go to heaven being a fornicator?

1 John 1:9 should be used.
 
The man in Romans 7 is not a Christian. He says "he is carnal" and is "sold under sin" and over in Romans 8 we see that being carnal minded is death which is being separated from the Lord.

The reformers use Romans 7 as an excuse, as cover for them to continue living in sin and then claiming they are not responsible for anything their body does when it's out doing sin. It's false teaching from the gnostics



You are without excuse for not choosing good over evil.

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness



Everyone after having been born again has chosen to do sin at least a few times even though they knew it was sin.

1 John 1:9 should be used.



1 John 1:9 should be used.
Yes, I hear what you wrote, we are not perfect or sinless, only one is perfect we are not sinless. we are human . Walking totally in the spirit is a hard thing. Especially if you have to traverse walking through this world. I cannot be in prayer all the time "lest I enter into temptation" seems impossible, but I know that thre is 144,000 that succeed. The are the only perfect and undefiled. So... everyone else is...
 
Walking totally in the spirit is a hard thing.

Only for those who want to keep the door open to serve self and to engage in sinful behavior who have not died to self.

but I know that thre is 144,000 that succeed. The are the only perfect and undefiled. So... everyone else is...

No, there's more than 144k that are saved and none of them are perfect in the literal sense.
 
What does Heb 5:5-9 say to you about Jesus and sin? Heb. 7:21 what does that one mean took an oath sware and will no repent?
 
Well they'll end up in hell then
The writer of Hebrews said they can expect fiery judgment from God, but this doesn't necessarily mean being sent to hell when they die. There are many cases of God disciplining His sons and daughters with wrath, but not taking their eternal life.