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NetChaplain

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The crux of Hebrews 10:10 is the doctrine of eternal security! Hence there is only one type of salvation—eternal salvation (Heb 5:9). Does it seem sensible to consider the oxymoron of receiving eternal salvation, then loosing it? If it’s something that one can lose, it’s not eternal. Eternal has only one meaning—forever.

Can one even accurately assume that God would be required to remove eternal life from those to whom He gave it? If God gives eternal life it has to be forever, otherwise it would be to consider that God is ‘fickle.’ No, when eternal life is granted, it has to be permanent, or it wasn’t eternal life. Let’s keep it sensible.

All spiritual growth doctrines derive for the doctrine of eternal-security. It’s not as though one can go in and out of Christ, which again, would be fickle. The only answer is that there are those who think they are in Christ but in reality, they aren’t. This is the hypocrisy and apostasy with which so much of Scripture is taken up.

Of course there will be hypocrites and apostates, for the sake of contrasting what is true and what is false. These are exemplary of the classes of people who demonstrate truth or hypocrisy, in order to identify those who genuinely are seeking truth to please God, or those who eventually realize themselves that they are not truly seeking to please God. One thing is for certain, God will not let anyone continue in ignorance of where one stands concerning truth; for their “sin will find them out” (Num 32:23), and they will move on from the charade. Thankfully what one believes concerning the loss of eternal life has no effect upon one’s salvation, but on one’s growth from salvation.
NC
 

Lynx

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#2
Here we go with the heresy of osas again...
 

HealthAndHappiness

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The crux of Hebrews 10:10 is the doctrine of eternal security! Hence there is only one type of salvation—eternal salvation (Heb 5:9). Does it seem sensible to consider the oxymoron of receiving eternal salvation, then loosing it? If it’s something that one can lose, it’s not eternal. Eternal has only one meaning—forever.

Can one even accurately assume that God would be required to remove eternal life from those to whom He gave it? If God gives eternal life it has to be forever, otherwise it would be to consider that God is ‘fickle.’ No, when eternal life is granted, it has to be permanent, or it wasn’t eternal life. Let’s keep it sensible.

All spiritual growth doctrines derive for the doctrine of eternal-security. It’s not as though one can go in and out of Christ, which again, would be fickle. The only answer is that there are those who think they are in Christ but in reality, they aren’t. This is the hypocrisy and apostasy with which so much of Scripture is taken up.

Of course there will be hypocrites and apostates, for the sake of contrasting what is true and what is false. These are exemplary of the classes of people who demonstrate truth or hypocrisy, in order to identify those who genuinely are seeking truth to please God, or those who eventually realize themselves that they are not truly seeking to please God. One thing is for certain, God will not let anyone continue in ignorance of where one stands concerning truth; for their “sin will find them out” (Num 32:23), and they will move on from the charade. Thankfully what one believes concerning the loss of eternal life has no effect upon one’s salvation, but on one’s growth from salvation.
NC
I don't have the time to discuss today, but I agree with your explanation.
Why?
A: It's biblical

The list of every cult and false religion mixes in human merit to some degree or another.
They take that which God commands to the saved as His expectations for growth, demonstration of love towards Him and others, and they twist those commands into requirements for salvation from the condemnation to hell.
Salvation requires no effort on our part.
Jesus did the works and deserves all the credit. Here's a short video describing this truth.