Bioethics, Drugs

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WHAT ABOUT DRUGS?

Revelation 18:23
and the light of a lamp will shine in you no more, and the voice of bridegroom and bride will be heard in you no more, for your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.

φαρμακεια noun - dative singular feminine
pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah: medication (pharmacy), i.e. (by extension) magic -- sorcery, witchcraft.


"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing … a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."
- Aldous Huxley


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WHEN DOES LIFE BEGIN?

Most Christians know life begins at conception.

Matthew 1:23
“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

WHEN DOES A FETUS 'HAVE RIGHTS'?
What does the "world say"?


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BIOETHICS



World’s leading expert on Jewish medical ethics, Professor Avraham Steinberg, speaks at Oxford Chabad Society

Oxford Chabad Society collaborated this week with the Ethox Centre, a bioethics research centre in the University of Oxford’s Department of Public Health, to host a high profile lecture by the world’s leading expert on Jewish medical ethics, Professor Avraham Steinberg, at the David Slager Jewish student centre.

Professor Steinberg, an Israel Prize Laureate and author of the acclaimed Encyclopaedia of Jewish Medical Ethics, spoke to about 50 people on the Jewish perspectives regarding some of the most cutting edge scientific implementations in the field of medicine today, including stem cell research, pre-implantation genetic diagnoses (PGD), gender selection and human enhancement.

In a lecture outlining the scientific process of Stem Cell research, he explained that some of the most controversial issues in medical ethics today hinge on the debate on the definition of beginning of life. He explained that birth is the ultimate and universally accepted definition of the beginning of life. However, there could be numerous possible stages in the development of the fetus when one can define the beginning of life, starting with conception. If life begins at conception, as some religions believe, then the mixing of the sperm with the egg creating a blastocyst (early embryo) constitutes a life and may therefore not be destroyed even in order to save a life.

He pointed out, however, the Jewish view is there is not a single point during fetal development when life begins but rather it progresses gradually in a process that endows the embryo with more and more rights until birth when it becomes a full human being.

Prof. Steinberg maintains that, based on an interesting dialogue in the Talmud, ensoulment per se is also not a relevant issue in Judaism regarding ethics.

He thus explained that the Jewish view on stem cell research is generally permissive, since an embryo in such an early stage of development (4-5 days post conception) does not represent a human being, and therefore does not constitute the killing of one life to save another, which would be categorically prohibited in Judaism. Moreover, Judaism distinguishes between an embryo who is in the womb of a woman vs an embryo in a lab dish outside a womb. The latter certainly is not defined as a human being since he requires an additional act (transplantation into a womb) before even having the potential chance to develop into a human being.

Currently there are millions of frozen fertilised eggs world-wide who no one is claiming, and which have no chance whatsoever to ever become a human being.

Explaining the important of Jewish medical ethics today, Professor Steinberg made it clear that, in his view, despite his scientific background, the definition of life is not a scientific issue and therefore science can not solve this problem. It is primarily a moral and religious issue that depends on the cultural or religious background one comes from. Judaism therefore has a profound voice in this debate.

Regarding, the terminology ‘playing G-d’, he refuted it as an issue in Jewish medical ethics. The term ‘playing G-d’ only refers to an action ex-nihilo, bringing something into existence from nothing. This is something humans are unable to do and is indeed relegated to G-d. What human beings can do is to take something that exists and change its form or enhance it. When man builds a table, for example, this is what one is doing, taking wood and forming a table. Or when treating pneumonia with antibiotics or transplanting a new organ to a patient – these are permissible human acts, using the intelligence that G-d gave human beings to improve the well-being of Man.

The same thing is, from a Jewish point of view, when taking existing sperm and egg from a couple who exist and create an embryo through IVF treatment. It is human beings acting in their remit, as long as it is done for the betterment of humankind.

Prof. Steinberg, who serves as senior paediatric neurologist at Shaare Tzedek Hospital, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said proudly that his department has assisted the birth of over a hundred healthy children through IVF and PGD to families with very serious genetic diseases.

Furthermore, he revealed, his department allowed for the formation of an embryo through IVF allowing for the birth of a child in order to provide a bone marrow transplant to save the life of a sibling.

He indicated that this might be viewed as controversial because not much research has been done on the impact on such a child who was born only in order to save someone else’s life.

Prof. Stenberg, however, justified this procedure by suggesting that he hoped that not only would the child not be loved less than an ordinary child, but much more since he had been an essential medium that saved the life of their other child.

Prof. Steinberg pointed out some ethical dilemmas that have emerged due the availability of the PGD technology: Sex selection, late-onset diseases, choosing physical and behavioural characters and others.

The event was chaired by Rabbi Eli Brackman, director of the Oxford Chabad Society, who has been pioneering the study of Jewish medical ethics with students at the University of Oxford over the last few years, as part of the Oxford Chabad Society programme of lectures in Oxford. Rabbi Brackman mentioned that Judaism has an important contribution to make to the rapidly developing area of medical ethics and hopes this event will pave the way for further integrating Jewish medical ethics at institutions like Oxford and around the UK.

Introductions were given by an impressive line-up of academics and experts on practical ethics at the University of Oxford. The first introduction was given by Charles Foster, Fellow of Green Templeton College, Oxford and Research Associate at the Ethox Centre, University of Oxford. Mr. Foster, who was instrumental in the collaboration of the Chabad Society with the Ethox Centre for this event, is a barrister who practices almost exclusively in medical law and has held research positions in anaesthesia and comparative anatomy. He was also a fellow at the Faculty of Law, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, and research assistant to Aharon Barak, former President of the Supreme Court of Israel.

He acknowledged the contribution of Jewish medical ethics to his own thinking and writing, noting that modern academic progress often involves or consists of disinterring ancient and forgotten truths. 'For me,' he said, 'Jewish philosophy has often been the key that has opened the door to rooms full of great intellectual treasures.' He commented that one of the many important bequests of Jewish medical ethics has been to expose the folly of medical atomism - treating the patient as an entity unconnected to the nexus of relationships in which he exists. 'Modern medicine increasingly recognises that proper diagnosis is diagnosis of the relational ills that afflict the patient, and that proper treatment is treatment not just of the patient but of the entire context in which the patient exists. These things are heralded as revolutionary, yet halacha has known them for millennia.'

An introduction was also given by Prof. Julian Savulescu, a recognised world leader in practical ethics, who holds the Uehiro Chair in Practical Ethics at the University of Oxford and Director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics within the Faculty of Philosophy.

Closing remarks were delivered by Dr. Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics within the Faculty of Philosophy. Dr. Kahane said that he appreciated how the teachings of Judaism of thousands of years can be used for offering clarity and views pertaining to ethical issues regarding cutting edge scientific technology in today’s society.

Professor Abraham Steinberg - Oxford Chabad Society - Serving Oxford Jewish Students

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PHARMAKEIA

(excerpt from above article):
Closing remarks were delivered by Dr. Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics within the Faculty of Philosophy. Dr. Kahane said that he appreciated how the teachings of Judaism of thousands of years can be used for offering clarity and views pertaining to ethical issues regarding cutting edge scientific technology in today’s society.


Dr. Guy Kahane:

Scientists warn that drugs of the future will be designed specifically to control the human mind

Friday, April 15, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

(NaturalNews) It may sound like something out of a science fiction plot, but Oxford researchers say that modern conventional medicine is gradually developing ways to change the moral states of humans through pharmaceutical drugs, and thus control the way people think and act in various life situations. These new drugs will literally have the ability to disrupt an individual's personal morality, and instead reprogram that person to believe and do whatever the drug designer has created that drug to do.

"Science has ignored the question of moral improvement so far, but it is now becoming a big debate," said Dr. Guy Kahane from the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics in the UK. "There is already a growing body of research you can describe in these terms. Studies show that certain drugs affect the ways people respond to moral dilemmas by increasing their sense of empathy, group affiliation and by reducing aggression."

While this may sound good in theory, mind control is already a very dangerous side effect of existing drugs. Take the antidepressant drug Prozac, for instance, which has been known to cause those taking it to lash out in violent rages. One young boy murdered his father by beating him and stabbing him in the head, and hit his mother with a crowbar and stabbed her in the face, shortly after starting to take Prozac (http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000...).

But the kinds of drugs Kahane and his colleagues are referring to imply designer drugs specifically designed to not only alter one's mental state, but also to change the way that person thinks about situations from a moral perspective. The end result is literally a type of drug-induced mind control where human subjects will be controlled by someone else, and unable to make conscious decisions for themselves.

Research on the subject, of course, tries to paint the idea of mind-control drugs in a positive light, suggesting that they could be used to help make the world a better place. Just imagine less violence, more trust, and more love, they say. This rhetoric, though, is really just a ploy to further numb the already mind-numbed masses into accepting the idea as a good thing.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032088_mind_control_drugs.html





"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing … a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."
- Aldous Huxley


Revelation 18:23
and the light of a lamp will shine in you no more, and the voice of bridegroom and bride will be heard in you no more, for your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.

φαρμακεια noun - dative singular feminine
pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah: medication (pharmacy), i.e. (by extension) magic -- sorcery, witchcraft.


 
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Can you please sum up what you mean to say by all of that?

are you against all and any drugs, no matter what they are used for?
 

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Can you please sum up what you mean to say by all of that?

are you against all and any drugs, no matter what they are used for?
No.
Not at all.


I'm against people making decisions for humanity.

specifically I'm against the following (see also Huxley):

Scientists warn that drugs of the future will be designed specifically to control the human mind

Friday, April 15, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

(NaturalNews) It may sound like something out of a science fiction plot, but Oxford researchers say that modern conventional medicine is gradually developing ways to change the moral states of humans through pharmaceutical drugs, and thus control the way people think and act in various life situations. These new drugs will literally have the ability to disrupt an individual's personal morality, and instead reprogram that person to believe and do whatever the drug designer has created that drug to do.

"Science has ignored the question of moral improvement so far, but it is now becoming a big debate," said Dr. Guy Kahane from the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics in the UK. "There is already a growing body of research you can describe in these terms. Studies show that certain drugs affect the ways people respond to moral dilemmas by increasing their sense of empathy, group affiliation and by reducing aggression."

While this may sound good in theory, mind control is already a very dangerous side effect of existing drugs. Take the antidepressant drug Prozac, for instance, which has been known to cause those taking it to lash out in violent rages. One young boy murdered his father by beating him and stabbing him in the head, and hit his mother with a crowbar and stabbed her in the face, shortly after starting to take Prozac (http://www.naturalnews.com/News_000...).

But the kinds of drugs Kahane and his colleagues are referring to imply designer drugs specifically designed to not only alter one's mental state, but also to change the way that person thinks about situations from a moral perspective. The end result is literally a type of drug-induced mind control where human subjects will be controlled by someone else, and unable to make conscious decisions for themselves.

Research on the subject, of course, tries to paint the idea of mind-control drugs in a positive light, suggesting that they could be used to help make the world a better place. Just imagine less violence, more trust, and more love, they say. This rhetoric, though, is really just a ploy to further numb the already mind-numbed masses into accepting the idea as a good thing.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032088_mind_control_drugs.html



 
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The term opiate of the masses has new meaning. Simply put for the last millenium religion has controlled people, science is now getting its turn. deal with it.
 

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The term opiate of the masses has new meaning. Simply put for the last millenium religion has controlled people, science is now getting its turn. deal with it.
great insight PR.

you're pretty young and things have gone downhill big time lately. but religions (decent ones) have sometimes done tons of awful stuff, but they've also had a somewhat civilizing effect on societies. basic morality and such (though the fanatics and politiking undermine all that. TPTB hijack all the good things).

Marxism and communism "sound good": but they bring despair and genocide.

the reality, though, is much of what we think is 'science' or 'medicine' is just ancient dark religion (sorcery).

btw: true christianity isn't a religion.

right now in the world we are shown through our media supposedly the "three great abrahamic faiths" headed for a clash of civilizations (already underway). they're all fighting for temporary things (dominance)...that in itself proves none of them are the real thing.

the real christian faith knows this whole mess is coming to an end, that's there something far better than any of this....Christ's kingdom is not of this world at all.

are you an agnostic? what are your current beliefs?
 
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Religion also held humanity back for the better part of a thousand years. Morality is worth nothing when you have people dying in their millions because the Church was unwilling to give even a modicum of control to those who had the ability to help, given enough freedom to do so, and unwilling to deal with the fact they had no power over these things. You tell the most religous pious god loving people in the world that if they pray there disease will leave them their still going to die. Bubonic plague has no religion, Cancer has no religion. And christianity is a religion, you just like to think otherwise to seperate you from the rest proving you are the path of truth and light in these dark time. But it doesn't really work because all other religions are claiming the same thing,"We are not a religion we are a relationship with God/Gods" It doesnt change anything. Humans had developt morality and basic code of I guess you could call it honour, the bible makes things in that time period to be awful and evil. But it was a time of advancement and learning in many parts of the world.

Im atheist through and through, I dont't beleive in a God, and if you showed me absolute proof in it's existance I still would convert to a faith.
 

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Religion also held humanity back for the better part of a thousand years. Morality is worth nothing when you have people dying in their millions because the Church was unwilling to give even a modicum of control to those who had the ability to help, given enough freedom to do so, and unwilling to deal with the fact they had no power over these things..
are we talking about Rome?

that's not biblical christianity PR.(many catholics may indeed be saved by God's grace, but it'll be because they weren't listening to what they were told! LOL!)

i totally agree claiming 'morality' is nothing when the organizaton (and individuals) are involved in geopolitiking and domination. even those who claim Christ's Name and go to the ballot box based on believing this race or that race or this nation or that is evil and we're all good. that's religion and hypocricy - not faith in The Lord.

the global warring now is being done in the name of religion. anybody waving flags and holy books while dropping bombs or releasing bioweapons and such are liars and do not know God.

i agree that RELIGION is one of the problems (Jesus said so too - the 'religious authorities' falsely tried Him and arranged for His crucifiction. it looked like religion...but it's always just hatred).

You tell the most religous pious god loving people in the world that if they pray there disease will leave them their still going to die. Bubonic plague has no religion, Cancer has no religion..
we're all going to die one day PR. that's the idea. we can talk about that later.

moralistic 'piety' is a pretty good sign of a fake.
the televangelists and haywire 'healers' are charlatans - funny how regular folks know it: but lots of people are gullible. and sincere. if you had no hope for a loved one, you'd probably try just about anything, right?

and the fake religious types (they're not true christians PR) are waiting to fleece them.

with that said, God does answer prayer and heal people everyday PR. He is Good and Merciful. if you find out Who He really is, you'll know that. you already know what the fake stuff looks like: look elsewhere:)

And christianity is a religion, you just like to think otherwise to seperate you from the rest proving you are the path of truth and light in these dark time. .
that's what the world sees almost totally, i agree.

but do you think i was born a christian? i lived 40 years of my life with no faith in much of anything at all. i knew there had to have been a Creator though: darwinism stunk from the beginning (somehow i escaped believing that junk). but though i knewhere must have been a Creator, i didn'tthink he was still around, or cared or whatever.

i lived my life with no religious background or upbringing (luckily), parents agnostic they said, but one believes like you say you do at this time: 'life sucks and then you die'.

i worked hard, partied hard, loved learning, travelled a lot...but things weren't adding up. i knew there was something going on behind the scenes if you know what i mean: something couldn't quite "see".

things changed some years back though. now i know the truth (it's not about this world PR....this world is coming to an end).

i am the least 'religious' person you'll ever meet. what do i need the world's kind of 'religion' for when i discovered the truth i'd been searching for?

But it doesn't really work because all other religions are claiming the same thing,"We are not a religion we are a relationship with God/Gods" It doesnt change anything. Humans had developt morality and basic code of I guess you could call it honour, the bible makes things in that time period to be awful and evil. But it was a time of advancement and learning in many parts of the world.

Im atheist through and through, I dont't beleive in a God, and if you showed me absolute proof in it's existance I still would convert to a faith.
yes, i get where you're coming from.
i don't blame you - like i say, though, you're obviously a sharp cookie and you know what's fake.

so now you can look for what's real.

(i read on another thread something about your behaviour or whatever not like your peers....i dunno about what that entails, but don't let the world brainwash or condition you kid. you have smarts...keep using 'em) there's far more going on than meets the eye (which you already know).

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The term opiate of the masses has new meaning. Simply put for the last millenium religion has controlled people, science is now getting its turn. deal with it.
here's an example of what i mean, PR:

"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing … a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."
- Aldous Huxley


now what kind of nut would say such a thing?

what could he be talking about? is he just pondering such an idea? or is there something more going on than meets the eye?
 

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I don't follow the social norms dictated to me by others.
good man:Di bet that drives them buggy.

do not ever be conformed to the ways of this world.

what's it like at your school? it's hard to believe much of what i read in the media, but it seems they're quite controlling.

i read where in chicago (i think) kids can no longer take their own lunches?

and that at some schools they have to thumb scan for meals etc?

SORRY: just saw your UK flag.

they're pretty much the same aren't they?
 
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My schools just full of the future Junkies murderers and rapist of scotland There a bit obsessive about us wearing uniform but they've stopped trying to get me to wear mines cuz they know I won't :D
 

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My schools just full of the future Junkies murderers and rapist of scotland There a bit obsessive about us wearing uniform but they've stopped trying to get me to wear mines cuz they know I won't :D
hehehehe.

don't like the preppy look?

why so many troubled young people? what's the family life like there? lots of divorce and social services kinda?

does anybody go to protestant churches in scotland anymore?
 
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There are 5 muslim 1 jewish kid and 6 christians out of 1200 people :p

And basically its 4 really bad areas and 2 alright areas going to it hence all the idiots. And you need to be married in the first place to get a divorce :) A lot of single mums who'd rather give their kid a bottle of cider and some fags so they can go out and get wasted than actually be a parent. And even those who have decent parents usually end up like everyone else so they look cool :\ I a dying breed.

Indeed I do not like the preppy look -_- I shall stick with my fingerless gloves ac/dc shirts and combats :p
 

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There are 5 muslim 1 jewish kid and 6 christians out of 1200 people :p

And basically its 4 really bad areas and 2 alright areas going to it hence all the idiots. And you need to be married in the first place to get a divorce :) A lot of single mums who'd rather give their kid a bottle of cider and some fags so they can go out and get wasted than actually be a parent. And even those who have decent parents usually end up like everyone else so they look cool :\ I a dying breed.

Indeed I do not like the preppy look -_- I shall stick with my fingerless gloves ac/dc shirts and combats :p
wow. only a couple of kids with religious backgrounds.

whatever we think of the organized religious institutions (and what the lying media says), how would you describe the religious kids compared to the rest?

do you ever get to travel out of the country?

i loved my Doc Martins when i was a lass. (they'd look silly on me now tho:rolleyes:)
 
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I hate travelling abroad xP Yeah and there alright Ive been out with one of the christian girls, I really dont like the jewish guy though he's a total snob and looks down on everyone else and is always trying to upset people. And at least there not actively hostile towards people... for the most part :p
 

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I hate travelling abroad xP Yeah and there alright Ive been out with one of the christian girls, I really dont like the jewish guy though he's a total snob and looks down on everyone else and is always trying to upset people. And at least there not actively hostile towards people... for the most part :p
well, that's something anyways.
sounds like you're doing the best you can.

do they teach evolution at school?
 
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Umm no though my teacher does an awful job of doing it... far to complicated for her -_- then again she does an awful job of cheating biology as a whole I dont know how she got through Uni.